Re: [PD] [textfile] vs [text define]

2021-02-08 Thread hans w. koch 
+1 in heaping praise on [text] and its comrades: albeit a bit slow with growing 
size, it allows for loads of data manipulation in a very flexible way.

hans

> Am 08.02.2021 um 09:57 schrieb Lorenzo Sutton :
> 
> On 06/02/21 23:28, Christof Ressi wrote:
>> They all operate on binbufs internally, so there shouldn't be a significant 
>> performance difference.
> 
> For certain scenarios I find the -k flag for [text define]  useful as it 
> allows you to save the contents (keep it) with the patch. This (having some 
> data embedded in the patch vs. in an external text file), might be desirable 
> or not, but it's defintely a nice to have the option and AFIK [textfile] 
> deosn't have this kind of option.
> 
> Personally I also like it that you can have different objects which clearly 
> do different things like 'define', 'get', 'insert', 'size', 'tolist' instead 
> of having to look at messages attached to them... Maybe because I've been 
> playing with pseudo-random MIDI generation lately, but this is really a very 
> subjective preference :-)
> 
> Lorenzo.
> 
>> On 06.02.2021 23:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>>> I guess the advantage is if it runs faster or not, right?
>>> 
>>> Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 18:03, Christof Ressi >> > escreveu:
>>> 
>>>> are there any concrete advantages?
>>>What's the advantage of having two different objects for the same
>>>job?
>>>If you like [textfile] for its simple interface, keep using it.
>>>I'm just
>>>saying that it's more or less obsolete.
>>> 
>>>On 06.02.2021 16:38, João Pais wrote:
>>>> It is surely overall more powerful. But when using it just for
>>>> read/get whole lines/save, are there any concrete advantages?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [text define] is basically a more powerful and flexible
>>>replacement
>>>>> for [textfile] and [qlist]. I would only use [textfile] if you
>>>prefer
>>>>> the simpler interface or need the [add2( method. Personally, I
>>>only
>>>>> use [text define].
>>>>>
>>>>> Christof
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06.02.2021 14:28, João Pais wrote:
>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for simple read/get/save operation, are there are advantages on
>>>>>> using [text define] instead of [textfile]?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jmmmp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [PD] [textfile] vs [text define]

2021-02-08 Thread Lorenzo Sutton 

On 06/02/21 23:28, Christof Ressi wrote:
They all operate on binbufs internally, so there shouldn't be a 
significant performance difference.


For certain scenarios I find the -k flag for [text define]  useful as it 
allows you to save the contents (keep it) with the patch. This (having 
some data embedded in the patch vs. in an external text file), might be 
desirable or not, but it's defintely a nice to have the option and AFIK 
[textfile] deosn't have this kind of option.


Personally I also like it that you can have different objects which 
clearly do different things like 'define', 'get', 'insert', 'size', 
'tolist' instead of having to look at messages attached to them... Maybe 
because I've been playing with pseudo-random MIDI generation lately, but 
this is really a very subjective preference :-)


Lorenzo.



On 06.02.2021 23:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:

I guess the advantage is if it runs faster or not, right?

Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 18:03, Christof Ressi 
mailto:i...@christofressi.com>> escreveu:


> are there any concrete advantages?
What's the advantage of having two different objects for the same
job?
If you like [textfile] for its simple interface, keep using it.
I'm just
saying that it's more or less obsolete.

On 06.02.2021 16:38, João Pais wrote:
> It is surely overall more powerful. But when using it just for
> read/get whole lines/save, are there any concrete advantages?
>
>
>> [text define] is basically a more powerful and flexible
replacement
>> for [textfile] and [qlist]. I would only use [textfile] if you
prefer
>> the simpler interface or need the [add2( method. Personally, I
only
>> use [text define].
>>
>> Christof
>>
>> On 06.02.2021 14:28, João Pais wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> for simple read/get/save operation, are there are advantages on
>>> using [text define] instead of [textfile]?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> jmmmp
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [PD] [textfile] vs [text define]

2021-02-06 Thread Christof Ressi 
They all operate on binbufs internally, so there shouldn't be a 
significant performance difference.


On 06.02.2021 23:18, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:

I guess the advantage is if it runs faster or not, right?

Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 18:03, Christof Ressi 
mailto:i...@christofressi.com>> escreveu:


> are there any concrete advantages?
What's the advantage of having two different objects for the same
job?
If you like [textfile] for its simple interface, keep using it.
I'm just
saying that it's more or less obsolete.

On 06.02.2021 16:38, João Pais wrote:
> It is surely overall more powerful. But when using it just for
> read/get whole lines/save, are there any concrete advantages?
>
>
>> [text define] is basically a more powerful and flexible
replacement
>> for [textfile] and [qlist]. I would only use [textfile] if you
prefer
>> the simpler interface or need the [add2( method. Personally, I
only
>> use [text define].
>>
>> Christof
>>
>> On 06.02.2021 14:28, João Pais wrote:
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> for simple read/get/save operation, are there are advantages on
>>> using [text define] instead of [textfile]?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> jmmmp
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [PD] [textfile] vs [text define]

2021-02-06 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres 
I guess the advantage is if it runs faster or not, right?

Em sáb., 6 de fev. de 2021 às 18:03, Christof Ressi 
escreveu:

> > are there any concrete advantages?
> What's the advantage of having two different objects for the same job?
> If you like [textfile] for its simple interface, keep using it. I'm just
> saying that it's more or less obsolete.
>
> On 06.02.2021 16:38, João Pais wrote:
> > It is surely overall more powerful. But when using it just for
> > read/get whole lines/save, are there any concrete advantages?
> >
> >
> >> [text define] is basically a more powerful and flexible replacement
> >> for [textfile] and [qlist]. I would only use [textfile] if you prefer
> >> the simpler interface or need the [add2( method. Personally, I only
> >> use [text define].
> >>
> >> Christof
> >>
> >> On 06.02.2021 14:28, João Pais wrote:
> >>> Hi list,
> >>>
> >>> for simple read/get/save operation, are there are advantages on
> >>> using [text define] instead of [textfile]?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> jmmmp
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [PD] [textfile] vs [text define]

2021-02-06 Thread Christof Ressi 
are there any concrete advantages? 
What's the advantage of having two different objects for the same job? 
If you like [textfile] for its simple interface, keep using it. I'm just 
saying that it's more or less obsolete.


On 06.02.2021 16:38, João Pais wrote:
It is surely overall more powerful. But when using it just for 
read/get whole lines/save, are there any concrete advantages?



[text define] is basically a more powerful and flexible replacement 
for [textfile] and [qlist]. I would only use [textfile] if you prefer 
the simpler interface or need the [add2( method. Personally, I only 
use [text define].


Christof

On 06.02.2021 14:28, João Pais wrote:

Hi list,

for simple read/get/save operation, are there are advantages on 
using [text define] instead of [textfile]?



Best,

jmmmp




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Re: [PD] [textfile] vs [text define]

2021-02-06 Thread João Pais 
It is surely overall more powerful. But when using it just for read/get 
whole lines/save, are there any concrete advantages?



[text define] is basically a more powerful and flexible replacement 
for [textfile] and [qlist]. I would only use [textfile] if you prefer 
the simpler interface or need the [add2( method. Personally, I only 
use [text define].


Christof

On 06.02.2021 14:28, João Pais wrote:

Hi list,

for simple read/get/save operation, are there are advantages on using 
[text define] instead of [textfile]?



Best,

jmmmp




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Re: [PD] [textfile] vs [text define]

2021-02-06 Thread Christof Ressi 
[text define] is basically a more powerful and flexible replacement for 
[textfile] and [qlist]. I would only use [textfile] if you prefer the 
simpler interface or need the [add2( method. Personally, I only use 
[text define].


Christof

On 06.02.2021 14:28, João Pais wrote:

Hi list,

for simple read/get/save operation, are there are advantages on using 
[text define] instead of [textfile]?



Best,

jmmmp




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