Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-11-01 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 01/11/06, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't combine them in Photoshop. You multiple expose the same image in the camera. I'd prefer to use a dedicated image stacking program or a pano application like Hugin to align the images. Also Don Williams provided several very

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-11-01 Thread David Savage
Picture of a page 3 girl. Dave On 11/1/06, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a stacked image? Shel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-11-01 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I note the point about tone gradation in the samples posted on Pentax Japan's web site. But without comparative samples of the same subject taken with, say, a 12 bit A/D converter, I can't tell yet just what the 22 bit converter will give us. One possibility that would enhance

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-11-01 Thread K.Takeshita
On 10/31/06 5:46 AM, Ken Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview Last night, I posted a complete and literal translation of the entire interview with Pentax's Tatamiya. However, it did not show up anywhere including the Archive. Has anyone seen it?

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-11-01 Thread Stan Halpin
Thank you Ken for the translation and Doug for the posting. You guys are great! Stan On Oct 31, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Doug Brewer wrote: K.Takeshita wrote: On 10/31/06 5:46 AM, Ken Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview Last night, I posted a

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Doug Brewer
K.Takeshita wrote: On 10/31/06 5:46 AM, Ken Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview Last night, I posted a complete and literal translation of the entire interview with Pentax's Tatamiya. However, it did not show up anywhere including the

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 10/31/06 11:50 AM, Jaume Lahuerta, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks a lot for your effort, Ken You are welcome. Invoice follows :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.10.2006, at 15:05 , K.Takeshita wrote: Last night, I posted a complete and literal translation of the entire interview with Pentax's Tatamiya. However, it did not show up anywhere including the Archive. Has anyone seen it? If not, it was bounced or something as it was very long. If it

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Ken, Never arrived here either. I think the bit gods ate it. ;-) G On Oct 31, 2006, at 6:05 AM, K.Takeshita wrote: On 10/31/06 5:46 AM, Ken Takeshita, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview Last night, I posted a complete and literal translation of the

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Ken, thank you very much. This info has advantage of being factual and not rumourous... -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 10/31/06 11:27 AM, Lawrence Kwan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it has exceeded the message length limit (someone said it was ?20KB). Try splitting it up into multiple smaller parts and it should get through. Thought so. I thought about breaking it up, but did not realize how long it

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.10.2006, at 17:13 , K.Takeshita wrote: Thanks Sylwek, Well, I try one more time and if it does not work, I will upload it to my FTP. Ken, it has just come!!! Post time is 4:33 AM, it arrived to me around 5 PM :-))) Many thanks for translation!!! :-) BTW Ken - can I post your

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Gonz
Thanks Ken. Thats very informative. rg PS: can you email me offline? I tried to contact you via your email, but got no response [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview Q; Reaction and accomplishment after releasing K100D in July? A: Order level

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Lawrence Kwan
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, K.Takeshita wrote: Last night, I posted a complete and literal translation of the entire interview with Pentax's Tatamiya. However, it did not show up anywhere including the Archive. Has anyone seen it? No, it did not show up. I think it has exceeded the message length

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 10/31/06 11:30 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, it has just come!!! Post time is 4:33 AM, it arrived to me around 5 PM :-))) Many thanks for translation!!! :-) I see list meister's (Doug) post in the Archive that he just approved my post. It was indeed too long. I'll

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 10/31/06 10:55 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Ken, I'm afraid it didn't arrive here. Thanks Sylwek, Well, I try one more time and if it does not work, I will upload it to my FTP. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread K.Takeshita
Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview Q; Reaction and accomplishment after releasing K100D in July? A: Order level literally beyond our imagination which is still continuing. Japan domestic market is fairly fulfilled now, but the demand from EU market wherein Pentax DSLRs have not

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 10/31/06 11:23 AM, Doug Brewer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, it was held for my approval/disapproval due to its size. I've just gone in and accepted the message and it should show up on the list soon. Thanks Doug! Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread K.Takeshita
On 10/31/06 11:07 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never arrived here either. I think the bit gods ate it. ;-) Yeah, I actually think so. I'll give him a case of beer and hope God will be kind to me :-). Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Thanks a lot for your effort, Ken - Mensaje original De: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Enviado: martes, 31 de octubre, 2006 4:33:39 Asunto: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 31.10.2006, at 17:40 , K.Takeshita wrote: I see list meister's (Doug) post in the Archive that he just approved my post. It was indeed too long. I'll be careful next time :-). I do not see Doug's post here yet, but my thanks to him. Bad, bad Doug, kept us uninformed for 13 hours :-)

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Ken, Thanks for posting this. It was interesting to note that there is a preference for different camera sizes in different markets. Looks like there's a lot more to designing a camera than might appear on the surface. Shel [Original Message] From: K.Takeshita Quick and dirty

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
Thanks Ken! Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread John Forbes
Excellent Ken, thanks very much. John On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 16:40:36 -, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/31/06 11:30 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, it has just come!!! Post time is 4:33 AM, it arrived to me around 5 PM :-))) Many thanks for

K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Joseph Tainter
Ken, this is wonderful information. Thanks very much for the translation. You are a great asset for us. Compressed RAW? This is news. I assume that in Japan there have been discussions of noise levels at high ISO in the K10D, just as there have been here. I interpret this interview as an

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 30, 2006, at 7:33 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview ... [snip] Thanks very much, Ken. It's nice to read an authoritative engineering person that knows the design describe it, and what was said fits well with my understanding of the camera based

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Jack Davis
Ditto! I'm sure it allayed noise concerns for many and especially those who might have designs on astro-photography. Did it help, Tom? Jack --- Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, this is wonderful information. Thanks very much for the translation. You are a great asset for us.

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Roberts
K.Takeshita wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview... Thanks, Ken! I'm more excited than ever about the new camera now. It sounds as if they're really going for the approach they used with the original ist-D: Do very little image processing in-camera and assume the

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:41:36AM -0800, Joseph Tainter wrote: Ken, this is wonderful information. Thanks very much for the translation. You are a great asset for us. Hear, hear! Compressed RAW? This is news. It's pretty much a last-minute change to the firmware (for a while the Pentax

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Doug Brewer
K.Takeshita wrote: On 10/31/06 11:23 AM, Doug Brewer, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, it was held for my approval/disapproval due to its size. I've just gone in and accepted the message and it should show up on the list soon. Thanks Doug! Ken No problem. I should point out that

K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Joseph Tainter
(It also leads me to suspect we may see a more consumer-oriented 10-megapixel camera next year.) - Oh, of course. The 10 mp sensor will migrate downward into something like the K100D body. Then it will be interesting to see what Pentax does about noise reduction. Joe -- PDML

K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Joseph Tainter
(It also leads me to suspect we may see a more consumer-oriented 10-megapixel camera next year.) - P.S. And meanwhile, we can all switch to spending a year or two speculating about the noise levels in the 12 mp CMOS sensor of the K1D. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Tom C
with the signal, but if each stacked image is less than half as noisy as it's double-ISO cousin, results could be favorable. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer

RE: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Shel Belinkoff
You can do that, Joe ... I plan to wait for the K10D to hit the shelves, see what results people are getting, and see how well the camera fits my needs. Mental gymnastics aren't my strength. Shel [Original Message] From: Joseph Tainter P.S. And meanwhile, we can all switch to spending a

RE: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Shel Belinkoff
LOL There y'go Joe speculation based on your own speculative comments ;-)) Shel [Original Message] From: Joseph Tainter (It also leads me to suspect we may see a more consumer-oriented 10-megapixel camera next year.) - Oh, of course. The 10 mp sensor will migrate

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
A good plan. I'm just going to buy one and use it. I sold one of my Ds, so I need a second body. I'm absolutely certain the K10D will outperform my D, and It will cost less. (I figure it will be super for shooting cars off a tripod at ISO 100. Ditto for tabletop or young ladies in the

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread John Francis
as noisy as it's double-ISO cousin, results could be favorable. Tom C. From: Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Tom C
Thanks for the additonal clarification on that John. I appreciate it. Tom C. From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 30/10/06, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed: Q: Any user requests for the further improvements? A: Frankly, not many requests for the performance of the camera. Proof they do not monitor the list. Or they do and filter jco out -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Shel Belinkoff
What's a stacked image? Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C It also is likely possible to reduce overall noise by shooting at shorter exposure times and stacking images. The stack will stack up noise just like it does with the signal, but if each stacked image is less than

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 30/10/06, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed: [translation snipped] OK, that's it. It says that this will continue to Part II. Stay tuned. I did this translation real quick and have not even proof read. Usual misspelling, double negatives or any other grammatical eroors have to be

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Cotty
On 31/10/06, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed: P.S. And meanwhile, we can all switch to spending a year or two speculating about the noise levels in the 12 mp CMOS sensor of the K1D. ROTFLMAO -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread John Forbes
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:42:11 -, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 31/10/06, Joseph Tainter, discombobulated, unleashed: P.S. And meanwhile, we can all switch to spending a year or two speculating about the noise levels in the 12 mp CMOS sensor of the K1D. ROTFLMAO Unfortunately, he's

RE: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Tim Øsleby
harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.Takeshita Sent: 31. oktober 2006 04:34 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya

RE: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Tim Øsleby
harmless (just plain Norwegian) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K.Takeshita Sent: 31. oktober 2006 04:34 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Tom C
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:38:30 -0800 What's a stacked image? Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C It also is likely possible to reduce overall noise by shooting at shorter exposure

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread David Savage
Thanks for going to the effort Ken. Dave At 11:33 AM 31/10/2006, K.Takeshita wrote: Quick and dirty translation of Tatamiya Interview snip OK, that's it. It says that this will continue to Part II. Stay tuned. I did this translation real quick and have not even proof read. Usual

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread keith_w
Tom C wrote: It's when you combine virtually identical multiple exposures, stacking them to reach a final image that has a total exposure time equal to the sum of the individual exposures. It's useful in astrophotography for a number of reaons. The main one is that a bunch of short, say

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread jkmess
aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:38:30 -0800 What's a stacked image? Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C It also is likely possible to reduce overall noise by shooting at shorter exposure times and stacking images. The stack

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Paul Stenquist
Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:38:30 -0800 What's a stacked image? Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C It also

K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Walter Hamler
No, you don't multiple expose the same frame. You take multiple frames(many exposures) then use specific software designed for the purpose to stack the images to net one better image. There are several folks who specialize in this software, from relatively cheap to relative expensive. They are

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread jkmess
aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 15:38:30 -0800 What's a stacked image? Shel [Original Message] From: Tom C It also is likely possible to reduce overall noise by shooting at shorter exposure times and stacking images. The stack will stack

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Tom C Subject: Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview It's when you combine virtually identical multiple exposures, stacking them to reach a final image that has a total exposure time equal to the sum of the individual exposures. I

Re: K10D aimed as D200 killer/Translation of interview

2006-10-31 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 31, 2006, at 6:12 PM, Walter Hamler wrote: No, you don't multiple expose the same frame. You take multiple frames(many exposures) then use specific software designed for the purpose to stack the images to net one better image. There are several folks who specialize in this