London Olympics (no spoilers)

2012-08-10 Thread John Francis
So there I was watching tonight's NBC coverage of the Decathlon final. At one point I paused the playback. My wife remarked that any normal male would have paused to take a closer look at the blonde in the stands, rather than looking at the photographer walking through the shot carrying an

Re: London Olympics (no spoilers)

2012-08-10 Thread Steven Desjardins
You're on the PDML. That immediately invalidates the normal label. On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 3:08 AM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: So there I was watching tonight's NBC coverage of the Decathlon final. At one point I paused the playback. My wife remarked that any normal male would have

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-08-02 Thread David Mann
On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Since John brought it up, I'll use the original hijacked thread to note today's Google Doodle. I think they're doing a new Olympic-themed doodle every day at the moment. I'm getting a table tennis one right now. Dave -- PDML

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2012-08-02 Thread John Sessoms
From: David Mann On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Since John brought it up, I'll use the original hijacked thread to note today's Google Doodle. I think they're doing a new Olympic-themed doodle every day at the moment. I'm getting a table tennis one right now. Dave

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-08-02 Thread David Mann
On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:13 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: David Mann I think they're doing a new Olympic-themed doodle every day at the moment. I'm getting a table tennis one right now. Dave I only meant to point out that by coincidence, hockey happened to be that day's doodle. Yes I

RE: London Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley on 2012-07-31 16:44 steve harley wrote meanwhile, Twitter has banned, then reinstated, someone who tweeted the business email address of an NBC executive (in disgust over #NBCfail and to continue our

Re: London Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne
I don't know if my impression of USA is accurate, but it comes across to here as offering no legal protection against slander to any person that is deemed, by some apparently magical consensus, to be a public person. Seems no less worthy of a medal to me. John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com

Re: London Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I realize that the UK has no constitution, but what about the rights of Englishmen? The American colonies rebelled not because they thought the rights protecting citizens of England were insufficient, but because they believed that those right were being denied to colonials. Initially, at least,

RE: London Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread John Sessoms
Don't mean nothin' but given the earlier discussion of What is Hockey?, take a look at today's (01Aug2012) Google Doodle. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow

Re: London Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread steve harley
on 2012-07-31 16:50 AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne wrote I don't know if my impression of USA is accurate, but it comes across to here as offering no legal protection against slander to any person that is deemed, by some apparently magical consensus, to be a public person. Seems no less worthy of a

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-08-01 Thread Steven Desjardins
be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com Sent: July 29, 2012 7/29/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J

Re: London Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread Anthony Farr
On 2 August 2012 03:21, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: Don't mean nothin' but given the earlier discussion of What is Hockey?, take a look at today's (01Aug2012) Google Doodle. As you rightly say, it Don't mean nothin'... Google is a US based corporation, and uses American English

Re: London Olympics

2012-08-01 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
, 2012 8/1/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: London Olympics I realize that the UK has no constitution, but what about the rights of Englishmen? The American colonies rebelled not because they thought the rights protecting citizens of England were insufficient, but because

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-31 Thread Steven Desjardins
I've hurled many times on St. Patricks Day. On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 July 2012 05:52, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Rockne looks him in the eye and says 'You want me to give a bunch of Irishmen clubs and have them play field

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-31 Thread Larry Colen
: July 29, 2012 7/29/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the third world and girl's prep schools. I

London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I find this very strange. Is offensive tweeting really a crime in Britain? While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it? UK police arrest teen for tweets about diver ASSOCIATED PRESS July 31, 2012 5:11AM Updated: July 31,

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread AlunFoto - Jostein Øksne
Wow... The first thing that went through my mind was that this criminalize stupidity in a public space. I can't see much good coming from that. :-( Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: I find this very strange. Is offensive tweeting really a crime in Britain? While the tweeter

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread John Francis
As it says at the bottom of the article you quoted, tweeting messages considered menacing, offensive or indecent can lead to prosecution. Even in the USA, where freedom of speech is often taken to be synonymous with freedom from any consequences of your speech there is an exception for 'hate

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
In the US, hate speech is actionable or criminal only if it is based on racial, religion or other classification, or if it is repeated often enough to become harassment or cyber stalking. If I tweet that a certain baseball player is a lazy inept bum, and an embarrassment to his family, that

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 31/7/12, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: I find this very strange. Is offensive tweeting really a crime in Britain? While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it? The laws are being tested. It's a criminal

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Walt Gilbert
On 7/31/2012 4:54 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 31/7/12, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed: I find this very strange. Is offensive tweeting really a crime in Britain? While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it?

RE: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms
No Constitution, so no First Amendment. From: Daniel J. Matyola I find this very strange. Is offensive tweeting really a crime in Britain? While the tweeter appears to be a jerk, didn't Daley increase the harm (if any) from the tweet by republishing it? UK police arrest teen for tweets

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread John Sessoms
If I should tweet I like cats!, I'm sure many cat haters would find that offensive. Thus are we reduced to the lowest thin skinned common denominator. It's rather extreme to elevate poor taste to the level of hate speech. British Police win the gold for stupidity. From: John Francis As it

RE: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread Bob W
at me because I'm a member of the Loony Party, I can have you charged with harrassment. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Daniel J. Matyola Sent: 31 July 2012 22:44 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: London Olympics

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread John Francis
I would think PDML members could give the British police a close run. I did not equate offensive posting to hate speech - I simply pointed out that there is no single universal definition, and that in every jurisdiction there is a somewhat arbitrary line drawn somewhere. I suspect the reported

Re: London Olympics

2012-07-31 Thread steve harley
on 2012-07-31 16:44 steve harley wrote meanwhile, Twitter has banned, then reinstated, someone who tweeted the business email address of an NBC executive (in disgust over #NBCfail and to continue our exploration of consequences for utterances, 'Italy's highest court has ruled that telling a

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jul 29, 2012, at 17:21 , Anthony Farr wrote: Our round ball footballers play soccer, but I have to concede that soccer, more than any other code of football, has the precedence of popularity to claim the name Football. True dat. In our version played in the USA, any part of the player

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote: Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players hands and feet are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a little ball around when someone can find it. Forgot to say Water Polo is played by those who do not have a

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:22 , Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote: Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players hands and feet are doing under the frothy water. And they throw a little ball around when someone can find it.

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread David Mann
On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will get mentioned on NPR. Well after yesterdays match it might not be Australia :D Dave -- PDML

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2012-07-30 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting David Mann dmann...@gmail.com: On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will get mentioned on NPR. Well after yesterdays match it

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Water polo is a lot more exciting that soccer-football. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:22 , Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
LOL! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:19 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I'd be interested in who wins the gold in Hockey, but not enough to pay attention to the games. If the USA manages to win again I'm sure it will get mentioned on NPR. -- PDML

RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Bob W
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:22 , Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jul 29, 2012, at 23:19 , Joseph McAllister wrote: Water Polo is like Ice Hockey, but you can't see what a players hands and feet are

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread John Sessoms
FWIW, I meant the one on ice and was just being sarky. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Bob Sullivan
I love the old movie where the President of Notre Dame University suggests to the legendary football coach Knute Rockne that 'perhaps football is to violent a game for the students to play.' Rockne looks him in the eye and says 'You want me to give a bunch of Irishmen clubs and have them play

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-30 Thread Anthony Farr
On 31 July 2012 05:52, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: Rockne looks him in the eye and says 'You want me to give a bunch of Irishmen clubs and have them play field hockey?' He'd obviously never seen Hurling. regards, Anthony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Joseph McAllister
In keeping with the British distain for acts of enthusiasm, Cotty wrote: On Jul 28, 2012, at 12:26 , Steve Cottrell wrote: On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Sadly I couldn't watch the whole ceremony but I saw quite a bit. It was most spectacular in terms of being a wonderful show. The last thing I saw was the burning Olympic circles in the sky, which was probably the only connection with the Olymics I could notice throughout that portion that I saw.

RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Bob W
etc., but that's only to be expected in the circumstances. B -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister Sent: 29 July 2012 07:29 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 In keeping

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread John Sessoms
From: steve harley on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the Olympics. the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the

RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
: OT: London Olympics 2012 From: steve harley on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the Olympics. the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal course i didn't watch much of it because

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
- -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 From: steve harley on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote Agreed. I kept on trying

RE: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 No, that would be ice hockey. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:17 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: hockey? umm, that would be the winter games - J.C.O'Connell hifis

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 07:32, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: no, your hockey would be field hockey. too technical! Here's the homepage of the International Hockey Federation: http://www.fih.ch/en/home Here's the homepage of the International Ice Hockey Federation: http://www.iihf.com/

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread John Sessoms
- J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 From: steve harley

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2012-07-29 Thread Steven Desjardins
...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 From: steve harley on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com

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2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
- -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Farr Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:05 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 On 30 July 2012 07:32, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: no, your hockey

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 09:58, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: The international names arent the same as the usa conventions. You are right, they aren't. There's the whole wide world, and there's the USA, which isn't the whole world. The tail doesn't wag the dog. regards, Anthony -- PDML

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2012-07-29 Thread J.C. O'Connell
America rules! ;) - J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Farr Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics

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2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
To clarify my outlook on this, my own country has some quaint local naming conventions for things that are internationally known by other names. Our round ball footballers play soccer, but I have to concede that soccer, more than any other code of football, has the precedence of popularity to

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Steven Desjardins
Simply local conventions, no right or wrong. In this case, however, I think we can include Canada in the NA hockey and football conventions. On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: To clarify my outlook on this, my own country has some quaint local naming

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
True, but even in the Olympics, Ice Hockey is a much bigger sport than Field Hockey. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 July 2012 09:58, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: The

Re: OT: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 10:46, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: True, but even in the Olympics, Ice Hockey is a much bigger sport than Field Hockey. Hmm. You really should look that up. You may be surprised. regards, Anthony -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

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2012-07-29 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the third world and girl's prep schools. I was thinking mostly of North America, Europe and Russia. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com

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2012-07-29 Thread Anthony Farr
On 30 July 2012 11:21, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: You're probably right that field hockey is a much bigger sport in the third world and girl's prep schools. I was thinking mostly of North America, Europe and Russia. Well obviously a nation needs to be reasonably affluent to

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2012-07-29 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
North American thing. Cheers, frank What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. -- Christopher Hitchens --- Original Message --- From: Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com Sent: July 29, 2012 7/29/12 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London

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2012-07-29 Thread Brian Walters
- J.C.O'Connell hifis...@gate.net - -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 From: steve harley on 2012-07-28 19:06

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2012-07-29 Thread Boris Liberman
- -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:19 PM To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 From: steve harley on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote Agreed. I kept on trying

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2012-07-28 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/7/12, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed: In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England It was pretty good! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche --

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2012-07-28 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I thought the opening ceremony was too long, too slow, and just plain boring. Mr Bean was the hit of the evening, as far as I could tell. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: On 26/7/12, Christine

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2012-07-28 Thread kwaller
Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the Olympics. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: OT: London Olympics 2012 I thought the opening ceremony

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2012-07-28 Thread steve harley
on 2012-07-28 19:06 kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote Agreed. I kept on trying to find a connection with the theatrics and the Olympics. the opening was more about Britain than about sports; that's pretty normal course i didn't watch much of it because by the time it was on the tellie it was

RE: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-27 Thread Bob W
Of Christine Aguila Sent: 27 July 2012 00:27 To: PDML List Subject: OT: London Olympics 2012 Hi Everyone: In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England. Since I'm a member of an international photography community, I

Re: London Olympics 2012

2012-07-27 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Bob W p...@web-options.com: Let's hope it's a good one. After a week of gloriously hot and sunny weather the day itself has dawned wet, just in time. You probably don't need this, but here is a guide for the perplexed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18983558 Here's an excerpt from

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2012-07-26 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Everyone: In about 24 hours (Chicago time), I will be watching the Opening Ceremonies of the 2012 Olympics held in London, England. Since I'm a member of an international photography community, I wanted to say a few things. Firstly, to all the UK PDMLers, those I've met and those I