Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-20 Thread P. J. Alling
I think it already is. Good enough always drives out better if there's a price differential. On 9/4/2012 7:58 PM, Darren Addy wrote: I've always thought that the Foveon sensor was looking for a way to win over other camera manufacturers to use their chip, but the price was too high (and the

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: You could do a better job with many aspects of this camera. Maybe low light is a sensor problem? A standard Bayer mosaic sensor is a planar surface with a filter array on top of it. This means that the light at each of

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 10:26:07PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: I really like the concept behind the Foveon sensor - every photo-site captures all 3 colors like film did no need for the anti-aliasing, but what's the deal with the poor image quality above ISO 400? Physics. If you don't have

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 4, 2012, at 11:54 PM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 10:26:07PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: I really like the concept behind the Foveon sensor - every photo-site captures all 3 colors like film did no need for the anti-aliasing, but what's the deal with the poor image

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Mark Roberts
Anyone know if the Foveon sensor outputs 8 bits-per-color or 16? -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Toralf Lund
On 05/09/12 08:01, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com wrote: You could do a better job with many aspects of this camera. Maybe low light is a sensor problem? A standard Bayer mosaic sensor is a planar surface with a filter array on top

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone know if the Foveon sensor outputs 8 bits-per-color or 16? My understanding is that the quantization space is 12 bit per component. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: I thought one the main premises was that each sensor would absorb all the light for a certain range of wavelenghts, and not at all respond light outside that range, so that it would continue without any loss of energy to the

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone know if the Foveon sensor outputs 8 bits-per-color or 16? My understanding is that the quantization space is 12 bit per component.

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Toralf Lund
On 9/5/12 16:10, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Toralf Lundtor...@toralf.net wrote: I thought one the main premises was that each sensor would absorb all the light for a certain range of wavelenghts, and not at all respond light outside that range, so that it would

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Toralf Lund
On 9/5/12 8:54, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 10:26:07PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: I really like the concept behind the Foveon sensor - every photo-site captures all 3 colors like film did no need for the anti-aliasing, but what's the deal with the poor image quality above ISO

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Steven Desjardins
The Sigma site does say 12 bit and it's supposed to be the same sensor. I got my number from the LL article. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: On 9/5/12 8:54, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 10:26:07PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote: I really

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread Darren Addy
I think there is some good info on the answers on this page (be sure to click the 4 more answers link: http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/22758/how-do-digital-sensors-that-capture-one-color-at-each-photosite-compare-to-senso I think the most interesting comment on the above page is the

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-05 Thread John Sessoms
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi A Fovean sensor stacks three photosites in each pixel location on the sensor, with a color filter between them. I don't know precisely how they order the stack, but it would make sense to order it blue, green, red since short wavelengths are more easily absorbed than

OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sigma_dp2m_review.shtml Incredible IQ from a PS, everything else is a problem. If I had a $1000 to spend I'd think about it (but probably end up with a K5). Good article, nice comparison images. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Interesting camera. Brilliant on one or two points, mediocre on most others. I dislike the push button control layout as it is presented, but it might seem quite different when the camera is in your hands. The article cocks up the whole discussion of pixels, spatial resolution, antialiasing

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Tim Bray
I have to say those image-quality comparisons are mind-boggling. -T On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sigma_dp2m_review.shtml Incredible IQ from a PS, everything else is a problem. If I had a $1000 to

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Sep 4, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/sigma_dp2m_review.shtml Incredible IQ from a PS, everything else is a problem. If I had a $1000 to spend I'd think about it (but probably end up with a K5). Good article, nice comparison

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Bruce Walker
That's what I thought, but that's about the only thing boggling in a positive way about this camera. It amounts to a one-trick boat-anchor for me. And did our very own Dave write this article? I saw so many spellos I started to collect them: catagory homogenious competative pubish creaping

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's the real frustration here. The IQ is wonderful and everything else is a mess. Even though I would get various degrees of results, I wouldn't hesitate to take any of my cameras out on a photographic mission. Not this one. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Bruce Walker

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Darren Addy
I've always thought that the Foveon sensor was looking for a way to win over other camera manufacturers to use their chip, but the price was too high (and the alternative technology more than good enough) so that no one wanted to pay the piper. Sigma bought the entire company (all shares) and I

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Steven Desjardins That's the real frustration here. The IQ is wonderful and everything else is a mess. Even though I would get various degrees of results, I wouldn't hesitate to take any of my cameras out on a photographic mission. Not this one. I really like the concept behind the

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
You could do a better job with many aspects of this camera. Maybe low light is a sensor problem? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:26 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Steven Desjardins That's the real frustration here. The IQ is wonderful and everything else is a mess. Even

Re: OT; Review of Sigma DP2M at Luminous-Landscape

2012-09-04 Thread John Sessoms
From: Darren Addy I've always thought that the Foveon sensor was looking for a way to win over other camera manufacturers to use their chip, but the price was too high (and the alternative technology more than good enough) so that no one wanted to pay the piper. Sigma bought the entire company