Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize. Once again proving that the Nobel committee has completely lost sight of the original purpose for the prize. Really, they should have given it to Bush for his more

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-14 Thread P. J. Alling
You sure that's not The Onion. John Sessoms wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-named-country-music_b_316404.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-11 Thread Adam Maas
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:46 PM, William Robb war...@gmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize. Of course, since Japan didn't surrender immediately after Hiroshima, waiting instead until the second bomb flattened

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-11 Thread John Sessoms
From: William Robb From: frank theriault Of course, since Japan didn't surrender immediately after Hiroshima, waiting instead until the second bomb flattened Nagasaki, it's doubtful that a demonstration of the bomb's capabilities at a desert test-site would have persuaded Japan to

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread mike wilson
P. J. Alling wrote: Oppenheimer. The atomic bomb kept the peace for 50+ years, at least there were no major shooting wars for 50 years because no one wanted to risk a conventional war getting out of hand. Probably the first time that a weapon was actually too terrible to use. Wow. Whilst

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread mike wilson
Boris Liberman wrote: Personally, I think it is pretty ridiculous simply because less than a year of mister Obama in the office don't seem to have that much pronounced impact on the whole world to facilitate the price. But then again, who am I to interpret the rules... It's worse than

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread P. J. Alling
There's been a major European war, on average, every 20-30 years since about 1600, which is pretty bad, when you realize some of them lasted 30 years, (if you think WWI was bad, and it was, you should look at the statistics on the thirty years war), and I'm not letting the rest of the world

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Oh, that I wasn't aware of. Thanks, Mike, that was most enlightening... Boris mike wilson wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: Personally, I think it is pretty ridiculous simply because less than a year of mister Obama in the office don't seem to have that much pronounced impact on the whole world

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread AlunFoto
2009/10/10 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: Oppenheimer.  The atomic bomb kept the peace for 50+ years, at least there were no major shooting wars for 50 years because no one wanted to risk a conventional war getting out of hand.  Probably the first time that a weapon was actually too

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize. Once again proving that the Nobel committee has completely lost sight of the original purpose for the prize. Really, they should have given it to Bush for his more traditional approach

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread John Sessoms
From: mike wilson P. J. Alling wrote: Oppenheimer. The atomic bomb kept the peace for 50+ years, at least there were no major shooting wars for 50 years because no one wanted to risk a conventional war getting out of hand. Probably the first time that a weapon was actually too terrible

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread John Sessoms
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Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/10/2009 11:53:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/obama-named-country-music_b_3164 04.html == LOL. Marnie - We can't solve problems by using the

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:56 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: snip Interesting choice. He turned completely against nukes after seeing the actual devastation of the bombs used in Japan. A turnaround that made him victim of the Red Scare, even. However his role in the Manhattan Project

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-10 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize. Of course, since Japan didn't surrender immediately after Hiroshima, waiting instead until the second bomb flattened Nagasaki, it's doubtful that a demonstration of the bomb's capabilities

OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread John Sessoms
I've been following the Photo.net thread there's a site I regularly have problems accessing. I bet server not found errors intermittently. I just tried opening the site to see if I could generate the error; get the exact wording for the error message. Instead, the site opened and there's a

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/9/2009 11:29:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsessoms...@nc.rr.com writes: I've been following the Photo.net thread there's a site I regularly have problems accessing. I bet server not found errors intermittently. I just tried opening the site to see if I could

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread P N Stenquist
Those fun-loving Norwegians are at it again!! Kissinger, Arafat, Carter, Gore, and now Obama. HAR! Paul On Oct 9, 2009, at 2:26 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I've been following the Photo.net thread there's a site I regularly have problems accessing. I bet server not found errors intermittently.

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Once again proving that the Nobel committee has completely lost sight of the original purpose for the prize. John Sessoms wrote: I've been following the Photo.net thread there's a site I regularly have problems accessing. I bet server not found errors intermittently. I just tried opening the

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread eckinator
Flame war sounds great but lets not forget that he doesn't run the United States of Some Parts of Northern America with a two house majority or anywhere near - he has to appease military-industrial falcons and ex Bush(face)/Cheney(brain) cronies left right and center... OK all you neocons, flame

RE: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread John Celio
I can see this degenerating into a flame war, as even us liberals aren't very happy about it. Speak for yourself, Marnie. I'm fine with it. I'm not sure why this subject was posted to a photography mailing list, though. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/calemp

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Miserere
2009/10/9 John Celio n...@neovenator.com: I'm not sure why this subject was posted to a photography mailing list, though. John It's because Obama is so photogenic. --M. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://www.EnticingTheLight.com

RE: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Desjardins, Steve
just won Nobel Peace Prize. I can see this degenerating into a flame war, as even us liberals aren't very happy about it. Speak for yourself, Marnie. I'm fine with it. I'm not sure why this subject was posted to a photography mailing list, though. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/9/2009 12:36:12 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, eckina...@gmail.com writes: Flame war sounds great but lets not forget that he doesn't run the United States of Some Parts of Northern America with a two house majority or anywhere near - he has to appease military-industrial

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Michael Gaudet
Yeah, this is slightly off-topic. But I'm not a fan of reading reports wrong. According to the NYTimes link that was referenced, the Nobel Committee based the decision on what Obama *has* accomplished in the last 9 months: Thorbjorn Jagland, the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee and a

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread AlunFoto
Personally I too am disappointed with their pick this year, I think they had other strong candidates who'd deserve the acknowledgement more than do mr. Obama. That's not a critique of his work, though. I would have thought him a natural candidate in the years to come if he continues as he's

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread P. J. Alling
At the time of the nomination dead line Obama had been a world leader all of two weeks give or take, before that his most recent important position was a part time lobbyest for Chicago's Daley Machine masquerading as the Jr. Senator from Illinois, (a job he still seems to have based on his

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 10/9/2009 1:33:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes: At the time of the nomination dead line Obama had been a world leader all of two weeks give or take, before that his most recent important position was a part time lobbyest for Chicago's

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread eckinator
sad but true is more like it i am all for cutting the man some slack but i'm beginning to run out of ways to think up excuses for some of the things he does.. sure he has the legacy of rubBush to clean up and leading the US back into the group of civilized nations will be a tough one but all the

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Øsleby
2009/10/9 Michael Gaudet ok1000pentaxb...@gmail.com: Yeah, this is slightly off-topic. But I'm not a fan of reading reports wrong. According to the NYTimes link that was referenced, the Nobel Committee based the decision on what Obama *has* accomplished in the last 9 months: Thorbjorn

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread AlunFoto
2009/10/9 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com: At the time of the nomination dead line Obama had been a world leader all of two weeks give or take, before that his most recent important position was a part time lobbyest for Chicago's Daley Machine masquerading as the Jr. Senator from

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Øsleby
2009/10/9 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: sad but true is more like it i am all for cutting the man some slack but i'm beginning to run out of ways to think up excuses for some of the things he does.. sure he has the legacy of rubBush to clean up and leading the US back into the group of

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread AlunFoto
2009/10/9 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: You obviousky haven't seen the powers of the list yet. PDML is pure hell for spellcheckers. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Øsleby
2009/10/9 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: 2009/10/9 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: You obviousky haven't seen the powers of the list yet. PDML is pure hell for spellcheckers. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com Yeah. And paradise for nutty

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread eckinator
yeah and playground for quirky quibbitters... 2009/10/9 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: 2009/10/9 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: 2009/10/9 Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com: You obviousky haven't seen the powers of the list yet. PDML is pure hell for spellcheckers. Jostein --

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/10/09, P N Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Those fun-loving Norwegians are at it again!! Kissinger, Arafat, Carter, Gore, and now Obama. HAR! Let's face it, brilliant bit of PR from Oslo - how to get a state visit in one easy lesson ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) |

RE: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: John Celio I can see this degenerating into a flame war, as even us liberals aren't very happy about it. Speak for yourself, Marnie. I'm fine with it. I'm not sure why this subject was posted to a photography mailing list, though. As I said in my intro, following the photo.net

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Bruce Walker
John Sessoms wrote: Instead, the site opened and there's a headline Obama's been awarded this year's Nobel Peace Prize. Apparently based not on what he's accomplished so far, but as an early vote of confidence for Obama's calls for peace and cooperation, and praised his pledges to reduce

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/10/09, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: It's not the first time an OT news item was posted to pdml. Mark! Oi, claiming 'news access', now that's novel!!! ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread John Sessoms
From: Michael Gaudet Yeah, this is slightly off-topic. But I'm not a fan of reading reports wrong. According to the NYTimes link that was referenced, the Nobel Committee based the decision on what Obama *has* accomplished in the last 9 months: Sorry 'bout that. I figured the NY Times link

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread eckinator
Charles Washington perhaps ]=) 2009/10/9 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: I'm just waiting to hear who Kanye West says should have won. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread eckinator
Ooops I mean Charles Hamilton of course... 2009/10/10 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com: Charles Washington perhaps ]=) 2009/10/9 Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com: I'm just waiting to hear who Kanye West says should have won. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Ken Waller
Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Subject: Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize. On 9/10/09, P N Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: Those fun-loving Norwegians are at it again!! Kissinger, Arafat, Carter, Gore

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:26 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I've been following the Photo.net thread there's a site I regularly have problems accessing.  I bet server not found errors intermittently. I just tried opening the site to see if I could generate the error; get the exact

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread steve harley
On 2009-10-09 14:00 , Michael Gaudet wrote: According to the NYTimes link that was referenced, the Nobel Committee based the decision on what Obama *has* accomplished in the last 9 months: [...] “We are not awarding the prize for what may happen in the future, but for what he has done in the

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Tim Øsleby
2009/10/10 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:26 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I've been following the Photo.net thread there's a site I regularly have problems accessing.  I bet server not found errors intermittently. I just tried opening the

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread John Francis
On Fri, Oct 09, 2009 at 07:43:35PM -0400, frank theriault wrote: It's not so much for what he's done, but the attitude he brings to the office of the most powerful single human being on the face of the earth. Let's face it, we can't help but compare him to his predecessor. Love or hate Gee

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread frank theriault
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:49 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: You state that as though it is an incontrovertible fact.  It isn't - it's just your position in the argument.  Other posters to this list hold very different opinions and would, I am sure, love to debate that with you. I may

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Joseph McAllister
What Frank said! Unless it was an under the table trade for the Olympic Games. :-) On Oct 9, 2009, at 16:43 , frank theriault wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/world/10nobel.html?hp At first blush a rather surprising choice, but upon further consideration, a very interesting one.

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Oppenheimer. The atomic bomb kept the peace for 50+ years, at least there were no major shooting wars for 50 years because no one wanted to risk a conventional war getting out of hand. Probably the first time that a weapon was actually too terrible to use. AlunFoto wrote: 2009/10/9 P. J.

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Boris Liberman
John Sessoms wrote: Instead, the site opened and there's a headline Obama's been awarded this year's Nobel Peace Prize. That's one piece of the news this year (2009) that provokes most thought, really. Whether one arrives to pro or contra conclusion regarding the man and the price is less

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Boris Liberman
Tim Øsleby wrote: You obviousky haven't seen the powers of the list yet. Never underestimate the power of the schwartz... :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and

Re: OT: Obama just won Nobel Peace Prize.

2009-10-09 Thread Scott Loveless
On 10/9/09, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: there are mixed messages coming from the Nobel committee on this -- Jagland also said It was because we would like to support what he is trying to achieve. It's like giving the smart kid an 'A' at the beginning of the semester. What could