Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-09 Thread Bob Sullivan
Lol... On 9/7/06, Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank - I'm starting to worry about you...(well, not starting, just worrying more now) Norm From: frank theriault Oh my God! I'm actually finding myself in agreement with Norm. I better go back to lurking. Something is

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-08 Thread mike wilson
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/08 Fri AM 12:27:11 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:01:19 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-08 Thread Norman Baugher
I do about dentists... Norm From: Juey Chong Ong On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Bob Shell wrote: What bothers me most is that these kids will have negative feelings about photographers for the rest of their lives. Do grown-ups have negative feelings about doctors for the rest of their

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-08 Thread Juey Chong Ong
On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Bob Shell wrote: What bothers me most is that these kids will have negative feelings about photographers for the rest of their lives. Do grown-ups have negative feelings about doctors for the rest of their lives? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Juey Chong Ong wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Bob Shell wrote: What bothers me most is that these kids will have negative feelings about photographers for the rest of their lives. Do grown-ups have negative feelings about doctors for the rest of their lives? I know I do! ;-) --

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-08 Thread P. J. Alling
I suspect that dentists are closet sadists. See Little Shop of Horrors for more information. Norman Baugher wrote: I do about dentists... Norm From: Juey Chong Ong On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Bob Shell wrote: What bothers me most is that these kids will have negative feelings

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-08 Thread David Savage
On 9/9/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juey Chong Ong wrote: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Bob Shell wrote: What bothers me most is that these kids will have negative feelings about photographers for the rest of their lives. Do grown-ups have negative feelings about doctors

OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread David Savage
I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images: http://www.paulkopeikingallery.com/artists/greenberg/index0.htm Is it art? Seems a bit mean spirited to me. Although when I think back to how my parents teased me when I was

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Jostein Øksne
Of course it is art. If the Times is right about how she obtained the photographs, it puts the blogger's reaction in a very tragic perspective. That one man, with access to a blog site and some skill in concocting a demagogic argument can mislead hundreds into attacking another person. Jostein

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread mike wilson
From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu AM 11:01:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 07/09/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images: http://www.paulkopeikingallery.com/artists/greenberg/index0.htm Is it art? Seems a bit mean spirited to me.

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:01:19 +0200 schreef mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images:

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread mike wilson
From: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu PM 12:22:25 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. Op Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:01:19 +0200 schreef mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 07/09/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a normal (and proper) part of growing up. But taking the same child to a studio, lighting them and then deliberately provoking the reaction is abhorent to me. Scarred for life :-( -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Bob Shell
On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: That is a normal (and proper) part of growing up. But taking the same child to a studio, lighting them and then deliberately provoking the reaction is abhorent to me. Scarred for life :-( What bothers me most is that these kids

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread mike wilson
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu PM 12:40:55 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. On 07/09/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is a normal (and proper) part of growing up. But taking

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread mike wilson
From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu PM 12:55:57 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: That is a normal (and proper) part of growing up. But taking

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/7/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images: http://www.paulkopeikingallery.com/artists/greenberg/index0.htm Is it art? Seems a bit mean spirited to me. It looks

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:55:57 +0200 schreef Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: That is a normal (and proper) part of growing up. But taking the same child to a studio, lighting them and then deliberately provoking the reaction is abhorent to

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Lucas Rijnders
Op Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:36:03 +0200 schreef mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu PM 12:22:25 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. Op Thu, 07 Sep 2006 15:01:19 +0200 schreef mike

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread mike wilson
Forget that I said that 8-))) Bleeding scabby webmail interfaces - let's take the lollipops off the software developers. From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu PM 02:24:30 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 08/09/06, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Probably not but I place it on the same level as pulling the wings off flies. Exactly, one of the poor little sods had piercings already. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Scott Loveless
On 9/7/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images: http://www.paulkopeikingallery.com/artists/greenberg/index0.htm Is it art? Seems a bit mean spirited to me. Who cares

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Who cares if it's art? Did you notice the price of her prints? Now that's mean spirited! MARK. Dave -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Jostein Øksne
IMHO, it says more about the phenomenon of child modelling, than it does about the photographic idea. Brings a dimension of good irony to the project...:-) Jostein On 9/7/06, Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:55:57 +0200 schreef Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
I read the article and the photographers own words give me the impression that she's out of touch with reality, in some ways. Most people in society have been conditioned to see images such as these as child abuse. However she got a lot of free publicity out of it.and since California seems

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread mike wilson
From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu PM 03:48:43 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. I read the article and the photographers own words give me the impression that she's out of touch with reality, in some ways

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread P. J. Alling
:-D mike wilson wrote: From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu PM 03:48:43 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. I read the article and the photographers own words give me the impression that she's out of touch

RE: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Bob W
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jostein Øksne Sent: 07 September 2006 12:46 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. Of course it is art. If the Times is right about how she obtained the photographs, it puts the blogger's reaction in a very tragic perspective

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Norman Baugher
Mr. Walkden, I believe that's about as well put as it's going to get... Norm From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was trying to make images that made you feel something, because we are so inundated with images in our culture that oftentimes people don't feel anything. It seems to me that she is

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Jostein Øksne
On 9/7/06, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that she is another of these people who think they are the only ones who feel things, rather like that stupid woman who promoted 'No Photography Day' because she claimed people weren't 'in the moment'. Could very well be. To me, her

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Kenneth Waller
It looks to me much more like a very cheap and very dirty way to attract attention. For who ? The blogger or the photog? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. On 9/7/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Kenneth Waller
: Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. On Sep 7, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Digital Image Studio wrote: That is a normal (and proper) part of growing up. But taking the same child to a studio, lighting them and then deliberately provoking the reaction is abhorent to me. Scarred for life :-( What

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Shel Belinkoff
How much did they earn? Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller What bothers me most is that these kids will have negative feelings about photographers for the rest of their lives. But the parents most likely won't, given the money those kids earned for the shoot! --

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread DagT
Den 7. sep. 2006 kl. 13.01 skrev David Savage: I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images: http://www.paulkopeikingallery.com/artists/greenberg/index0.htm Is it art? Seems a bit mean spirited to me. Although

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/9/06, Norman Baugher, discombobulated, unleashed: Mr. Walkden, I believe that's about as well put as it's going to get... Norm Oh for God's sake, Norm's surfaced. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread frank theriault
On 9/7/06, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just heard about this on the news. The story: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-2318645,00.html The images: http://www.paulkopeikingallery.com/artists/greenberg/index0.htm Is it art? Seems a bit mean spirited to me. Although

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread frank theriault
On 9/7/06, Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Walkden, I believe that's about as well put as it's going to get... Norm Oh my God! I'm actually finding myself in agreement with Norm. I better go back to lurking. Something is seriously wrong here. But, Bob did indeed hit the nail on

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Norman Baugher
Frank - I'm starting to worry about you...(well, not starting, just worrying more now) Norm From: frank theriault Oh my God! I'm actually finding myself in agreement with Norm. I better go back to lurking. Something is seriously wrong here. But, Bob did indeed hit the nail on the head.

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread Cotty
On 7/9/06, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't know what the hell art is. MARK! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: OT: Taking Candy from a baby.

2006-09-07 Thread John Forbes
On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 14:01:19 +0100, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/07 Thu AM 11:01:26 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net Subject: OT: Taking Candy from a baby. I just heard about this on the news. The story: http