On 2011-02-28 02:38 , David Mann wrote:
I'm surprised noone has mentioned the documentary Food, Inc. [...] But
chicken and pigs are a different story and we're much more careful about what we buy.
i've been semi-veg (no red meat) for about 30 years, semi-locavore/urban
homesteader for half
On Feb 28, 2011, at 1:42 AM, frank theriault wrote:
I wonder why there are those in the agricultural business who are
afraid that the public see what goes on at their farms?
Actually, that was a rhetorical question. I know exactly why:
because much of what happens at large agribusiness
David Mann wrote:
On Feb 28, 2011, at 1:42 AM, frank theriault wrote:
I wonder why there are those in the agricultural business who are
afraid that the public see what goes on at their farms?
Actually, that was a rhetorical question. I know exactly why:
because much of what happens at
On 28/02/2011 02:31, William Robb wrote:
On 27/02/2011 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bob,
We're not the ones with the Mad Cow problems who had to slaughter all
that beef.
Shoot, Shovel, Shut up was, IIRC, the mantra of the day a few years ago.
The French term for BSE was, allegedly, JCB.
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
mike wilson
We're not the ones with the Mad Cow problems who had to slaughter
all
that beef.
Shoot, Shovel, Shut up was, IIRC, the mantra of the day a few years
ago.
The French term for BSE was, allegedly,
On Mar 1, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
The market near me only gets its lamb from New Zealand.
Good stuff, isn't it? The big concern we have now is food miles as it's
something we can't really do anything about.
But I have to say I buy chicken when the price is right only - but
On 28/02/2011 23:21, Bob W wrote:
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
mike wilson
We're not the ones with the Mad Cow problems who had to slaughter
all
that beef.
Shoot, Shovel, Shut up was, IIRC, the mantra of the day a few years
ago.
The French
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Elizabeth Masoner
lizmaso...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-senate
-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
For some reason I keep getting drawn
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
it means they die 40% less often than others. If you look closely you'll
notice that most cyclists look half dead most of the time.
If they look half dead, does that mean that they also look half alive?
Does that make them
Frank,
It's a stupid bill, but...
I enjoy eating animals.
I can't taste the difference in organically raised.
And I prefer the food safety in the Agribusiness food chain.
Regards, Bob S.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 6:42 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Frank,
It's a stupid bill, but...
Yes it is (see, we're agreeing!) ;-)
I enjoy eating animals.
Yes, I know that. My post wasn't about whether it's ethical to do so.
I know your position, you know mine, and we
On 27/02/2011 16:18, frank theriault wrote:
And I prefer the food safety in the Agribusiness food chain.
I know you'll disagree with this, but it's huge regional meat
processing plants that are the danger here. E-coli or salmonella or
any other contaminant that gets into the system of a huge
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:09 AM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote:
On 27/02/2011 16:18, frank theriault wrote:
And that's before you get into the hormones for faster growth and
antibiotics as prophylactic side of things. Standard US beef is
classified as unfit for human consumption
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Bob Sullivan
[...]
I can't taste the difference in organically raised.
And I prefer the food safety in the Agribusiness food chain.
you gotta be kidding!
B
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Bob,
We're not the ones with the Mad Cow problems who had to slaughter all that beef.
And don't you think just a 'wee bit' of your import regulations are
there to protect your growers?
What's the price of beef in the UK anyway?
Regards, Bob S.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Bob W
Precisely!
It's the agri-business beef that was infected with BSE because of all their
disgusting practices. The organic stuff was all fine, and whatever I eat
(I'm not much of a beef eater anyway) I choose organic when I can, for all
sorts of reasons, but food safety is one of them.
B
Bob,
On 27/02/2011 18:01, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bob,
We're not the ones with the Mad Cow problems who had to slaughter all that beef.
And don't you think just a 'wee bit' of your import regulations are
there to protect your growers?
What's the price of beef in the UK anyway?
Regards, Bob S.
There
From: frank theriault
Are they trying to do this, or is this just one guy? In Canada we
have government bills and private member bills. Private member bills
are tabled by an individual legislator, the other legislators don't
have to vote along party lines (in other words it's a free vote) and
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:54 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: frank theriault
snip
I'll sleep easy tonight.
John said:
I expect it's more than one guy. In U.S. state legislature's there is no
such distinction between government bills and private member bills.
It might
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 08:56:09AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Frank,
It's a stupid bill, but...
I enjoy eating animals.
As do I.
I can't taste the difference in organically raised.
I'm not sure what is the major factor, but I sure as hell
can tell the difference between the organic,
On 27/02/2011 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bob,
We're not the ones with the Mad Cow problems who had to slaughter all that beef.
Shoot, Shovel, Shut up was, IIRC, the mantra of the day a few years ago.
Don't test the downers, just shoot em, bury them and go on like as if
nothing is wrong.
Bill,
I haven't been updated about the situation in 3-4 years.
Maybe you are right, but I hope not.
Regards, Bob S.
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:31 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27/02/2011 11:01 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bob,
We're not the ones with the Mad Cow problems
On 27/02/2011 7:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Bill,
I haven't been updated about the situation in 3-4 years.
Maybe you are right, but I hope not.
Because of the way the North American cattle industry is integrated, if
we have a problem, you have a problem. It's really that simple.
Canadian
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Ann Sanfedele
people who
cycled to work had an all-cause mortality rate 40% lower than non-
cyclists.
you mean only 60% of all cyclists ever die? that's it, I'm getting a
bicycle.
it means they die 40% less
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Elizabeth Masoner
lizmaso...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-senate
-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
Are they trying to do this, or is this
Legislatures here are not as clear-cut, but it works out about the same. Any
legislator can file any bill they want to. They then send a press release to
the home folks and are lauded for defending the American way and the right to
abuse animals without needing to pay for tall fences to block
No word on cosponsors yet. It is likely to change drastically before it
gets to a vote (if it gets to a vote). This is just one of many crazy
bills since 9/11 (from both sides of the aisles) that looks to treat
photographers as terrorists.
On 2/26/11 6:46 PM, frank theriault
On Feb 26, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Bob W wrote:
you mean only 60% of all cyclists ever die? that's it, I'm getting a
bicycle.
it means they die 40% less often than others. If you look closely you'll
notice that most cyclists look half dead most of the time.
Considering the amount of bikes I
if you ride them all at once you should get a fair shot at 'David McLeod'
2011/2/27 David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz:
On Feb 26, 2011, at 9:46 PM, Bob W wrote:
you mean only 60% of all cyclists ever die? that's it, I'm getting a
bicycle.
it means they die 40% less often than others. If
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-senate
-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
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On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Elizabeth Masoner
lizmaso...@bellsouth.net wrote:
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-senate
-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
Well there goes my weekends then
Dave
On 25/2/11, Elizabeth Masoner, discombobulated, unleashed:
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-
senate-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
That's hilarious!
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:36:33 -0600
From: Elizabeth Masoner lizmaso...@bellsouth.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: OT: sort of off topic - new bill in FL legislature would make
farmphotography a felony
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On 25/02/2011 9:36 AM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-senate
-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
Did Florida separate from the Union? Doesn't the 1st Amendment of the
I would just have to sell my cameras given where I live. Not only can
you almost always see a farm but you can usually smell them as well.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:58 PM, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 25/02/2011 9:36 AM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
Yeah, they really are
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
I would just have to sell my cameras given where I live. Not only can
you almost always see a farm but you can usually smell them as well.
Does Blurb do scratch-and-sniff yet?
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From: Elizabeth Masoner
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-senate
-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
I, for one, think it's a good idea.
Someone, somewhere, in some state *NEEDS* to pass a law even
I hope not. Trust me on this. I really love riding my Road King
through the Virginia countryside, the occasional olfactory assault of
manure is just part of the experience.
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Steven Desjardins
From: William Robb
On 25/02/2011 9:36 AM, Elizabeth Masoner wrote:
Yeah, they really are trying to pass this garbage.
http://photography.about.com/b/2011/02/25/bill-introduced-in-florida-senate
-would-make-farm-photography-a-felony.htm
Did Florida separate from the Union? Doesn't the
FWIW, if you tell people in the U.S. what the Bill of Rights guarantees
without telling them where it's coming from; that it's already a part
of
the Constitution - most of them will tell you you're crazy.
More than half the people in the U.S. believe the Supreme Court
outlawed prayer in
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
there's an interesting story on similar lines of deliberate misconstrual in
the weekly email I get from the extremist faction of the CTC, posted here
because there's no external link.
For reference, the Daily Mail is a right
2011/2/25 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
people who
cycled to work had an all-cause mortality rate 40% lower than non-cyclists.
you mean only 60% of all cyclists ever die? that's it, I'm getting a bicycle.
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eckinator wrote:
2011/2/25 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
people who
cycled to work had an all-cause mortality rate 40% lower than non-cyclists.
you mean only 60% of all cyclists ever die? that's it, I'm getting a bicycle.
what about versus people who merely walk?
ann
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