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You could see this one coming for a long time. The beauty and bane of the iPhone is how well and often it accesses the network without the user really thinking about it. The more they sell, the worse it gets. The question is whether this will end up changing the user experience or not once they

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 6/2/2010 9:50 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Joseph McAllister You can use your Mac (iMac, MacBook, Whatever) right out of the box. Just like you can drive a new car off the lot without looking at the manual. But just like your car, you had better sit down and read the owner's manual and

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

As an iPhone user, I'm quite aware that they're different critters. The point was, I don't need an iPad with a $30 add-on to display the images from my camera. As for the movie feature on an iPad, I quit watching movies on screens that size in 1949. -p On 6/2/2010 6:21 PM, steve harley wrot

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"Based on my experience so far, it's easier to get the Windoze computer to do what *I* want it to do right out of the box " That is not my experience. Windoze loads a lot of crap that I have to get rid of, and it makes it difficult to load non-MS programs and make them the default programs. Dan

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From: Joseph McAllister You can use your Mac (iMac, MacBook, Whatever) right out of the box. Just like you can drive a new car off the lot without looking at the manual. But just like your car, you had better sit down and read the owner's manual and get an inkling of when to change the oil,

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

From: Joseph McAllister On Jun 1, 2010, at 20:13 , William Robb wrote: > Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer??? > This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you > should do. > Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was > talking about comp

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I saw something today about AT&T changing the T.O.S. for iPhones & iPods today. No more unlimited internet access. From: William Robb On 02/06/2010 2:48 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:21 , P. J. Alling wrote: > >> Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give

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On 2010-06-02 17:12 , John Sessoms wrote: That was a long time ago. Apple was worth more like a couple billion dollars back then. Apple almost went under. perhaps true, but Apple had bought NeXT earlier that year, so the Microsoft deal was part of a very shrewd recovery strategy already under

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On 2010-06-02 17:03 , Paul Sorenson wrote: H - I can do that now on my el cheapo Windows notebook - and it doesn't require a $30 adapter... they are different critters; among other things, unlike your cheapito, the iPad has a very nice IPS display and it can play movies for 12 hours on on

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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:12 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > Do you reckon Apple's current dispute with Adobe over Flash has any > different motivation than Microsoft's dispute with SUN over Java? > Flash remains the largest common security vulnerability on Macs. I really hope Apple wins this one eve

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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: > On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote: > >> On 2010-06-02 14:16 , Joseph McAllister wrote: >>> >>> I used to be a >>> Filemaker guru on the Apple IIgs, FileMaker Pro on the Mac IIfx, so I'm >>> not unaware of database use. >> >> ti

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From: paul stenquist On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > >> Diversity has its benefits: >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html >> >> > > The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much

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H - I can do that now on my el cheapo Windows notebook - and it doesn't require a $30 adapter... -p On 6/2/2010 5:47 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: Hooked to your Pentax, you can view important shots in hi-res right after you take them (but not live view) and make corrections before you bre

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 15:56 , Joseph McAllister wrote: my brain is so swiss cheesy that I could be thinking yogurt. MARK! if I may. I like it. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run i

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:31 , steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-02 14:16 , Joseph McAllister wrote: I used to be a Filemaker guru on the Apple IIgs, FileMaker Pro on the Mac IIfx, so I'm not unaware of database use. time-warp alert -- i'm a FileMaker "lifer" since Claris bought it (FileMaker I

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 2010-06-02 16:38 , Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 2, 2010, at 04:27 , Matthew Hunt wrote: There are also methods that DO involve magic. I haven't read any developers pages since 1995, the file command, the useful part of what magic helps with, dates to 1973 (Mac OS X does not utilize m

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 14:00 , William Robb wrote: http://tinyurl.com/23qnozo I suspect that if Microsoft had started making telephones, and MP3 players, they would have landed back in front of the US Senate on combines investigation charges again. I must admit, the iPad looks like a pretty

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On 1/6/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: >I've been using the Macs at school for a week now. My first impression >is either the Mac programmers are idiots or they think their users are. > >I have to read a document. It's in PDF format. I double click the icon >to open it, and it doesn'

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

From: William Robb On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: > On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: >> Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, >> TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing >> but for a number of reasons that's u

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 04:27 , Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety of methods that would work without extensions that don't involve magic. There are also methods that DO involve magic. http

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 2, 2010, at 02:32 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/6/1 Cotty : In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that cameras, lenses or computers. In this respect, it will be the same for PC users and Mac use

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[...] and maybe you'll get it right"; i personally believe that simplicity is overrated, [...]> any system like this is bound to mean annoyance, confusion or even trouble for some; i am having trouble finding the perfect stove for my home too, because many are too "automatic" or have a fifth

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 1, 2010, at 21:48 , P. J. Alling wrote: Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer??? This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you should do. Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was talking about computers with an acquaintance who is b

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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:00 PM, William Robb wrote: > > I suspect that if Microsoft had started making telephones, and MP3 players, > they would have landed back in front of the US Senate on combines > investigation charges again. > I must admit, the iPad looks like a pretty cool toy, though time

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 20:13 , William Robb wrote: Is that a Tom or a Queen you would prefer??? This sounds like a case of you only get to do what Steve thinks you should do. Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was talking about computers with an acquaintance who is b

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From: "P. J. Alling" On 6/1/2010 4:30 AM, Cotty wrote: > On 31/5/10, John Sessoms, discombobulated, unleashed: > > >> Seventy-five percent of statistics on the internet are made up on the >> spot anyway. >> > Mark! > Since that's just a minor variation on the original, (drop"on

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 5:33 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-02 14:30 , Joseph McAllister wrote: Adobe knew they would be coming out with a new version of CS that would work fine under OS 10.6, and opted to NOT do a minor upgrade to their legacy products, forcing their clients to spend the mon

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On 2010-06-02 14:30 , Joseph McAllister wrote: Adobe knew they would be coming out with a new version of CS that would work fine under OS 10.6, and opted to NOT do a minor upgrade to their legacy products, forcing their clients to spend the money for the upgrade to a major new version. once aga

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On 2010-06-02 14:16 , Joseph McAllister wrote: I used to be a Filemaker guru on the Apple IIgs, FileMaker Pro on the Mac IIfx, so I'm not unaware of database use. time-warp alert -- i'm a FileMaker "lifer" since Claris bought it (FileMaker II, 1988), and i'm sure the original FileMaker release

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 02/06/2010 3:06 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:04 PM, William Robb wrote: Yes, I am aware of Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail. It doesn't change my outlook, so to speak. So what the fuck did you mean when you said that Microsoft replaced Outlook Express with "nothing"?

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On 02/06/2010 3:06 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: So what the fuck did you mean when you said that Microsoft replaced Outlook Express with "nothing"? Temper there me boy, there's no need for that. I looked at Live Mail, decided that it wasn't what I wanted. Which makes it nothing. YMMV -- Willia

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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:04 PM, William Robb wrote: > Yes, I am aware of Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail. > It doesn't change my outlook, so to speak. So what the fuck did you mean when you said that Microsoft replaced Outlook Express with "nothing"? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pd

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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 5:00 PM, William Robb wrote: > I suspect that if Microsoft had started making telephones, and MP3 players, > they would have landed back in front of the US Senate on combines > investigation charges again. Microsoft makes the Zune media players and the Kin phones. http://

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On 02/06/2010 2:59 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, William Robb wrote: Yeah, the buggers took away Outlook Express and replaced it with nothing. They replaced it with Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail http://en.wikiped

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On 02/06/2010 2:48 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:21 , P. J. Alling wrote: Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give me confidence, and Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads into their core business. If Microsoft gets it's

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:50 PM, William Robb wrote: > Yeah, the buggers took away Outlook Express and replaced it with > > nothing. They replaced it with Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Live_Mail -- PDML Pe

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 17:45 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last investment account was something like 35 billion dollars that he was

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:56 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either. You f*** with Apple, you ge

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 02/06/2010 2:38 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: Are you saying that Bill Gates, the other JC in the room, took something away and forced you to use something else, in essence dictating what you had to use? Impossible. :-) Yeah, the buggers took away Outlook Express and replaced it with n

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:21 , P. J. Alling wrote: Much as I'd like to see Linux take off, it doesn't give me confidence, and Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads into their core business. If Microsoft gets it's act back together, easier said than done, it

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:44 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 8:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Google has apparently decided to ban the use of MS operating systems in its facilities, making employees switch to Macs or Linux. Then again, what does Google know? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give sustenance to your enemy? http://tinyurl.com/23qnozo On 6/1/2010 10:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Google has apparently deci

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:34 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 7:51 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I have never had trouble with Thunderbird. Our office has OE, and I consider it far less flexible and quite a bit slower. For important things, I always use Thunderbird. The things I'm having pro

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 1, 2010, at 07:13 , Cotty wrote: On 1/6/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Just like they would in the days before computers - they would know what goes on in the film just as well, but perhaps not well enough to start fixing one of those humungous automated processing machines.

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 06:27 , William Robb wrote: I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software would break under undisclosed circumstances.

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 06:11 , William Robb wrote: With Mac, you are locked in to what Steve Jobs tells you to buy. Now I realize that he and Jesus Christ are one and the same to (apparently most) Mac users, but I still like the option of choice. Then for daddy God's sake, buy a Mac and use the

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 04:44 , AlunFoto wrote: For example, one of the guys made a substantial (his word) income from printing fine art for other artists. He owned one of those giant Epsons, nine thousand something. I had to help him recover his LR catalogue twice, convert his emails to text-only,

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 02:54 , steve harley wrote: On 2010-05-31 12:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: Richer and better educated doesn't necessarly translate to more intellegent. which is why i didn't say i had disproved the assertion; just pointing out how fruitless my search for the "study" had been

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On 6/2/2010 7:27 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety of methods that would work without extensions that don't involve magic. There are also methods that DO involve magic. ht

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On 2010-06-02 03:32 , AlunFoto wrote: Besides, people use their computers for more purposes than just image storage/processing, and a little understanding really goes a long way. so might we expand László Moholy-Nagy's famous quote to say: "The illiterate of the future will be ignorant of the

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On 2010-06-02 04:06 , David Mann wrote: For something that was created on a Mac, the system stores extra data that associates the file with the program that created it. this was true until 10.6 ... starting with Snow Leopard, the creator code associations are no longer respected by the system

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:48 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Which don't necessarily need file extensions, there are a variety of methods > that > would work without extensions that don't involve magic. There are also methods that DO involve magic. http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentatio

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On 02/06/2010, Cotty wrote: > My point is that Jostein's sample users in the south Atlantic appears to > me to be only indicative of a bunch of people on a photo trip to the > south atlantic, with few full-time professional photographers on board. > Using a computer, be it a Mac or a PC is part a

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On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:13 PM, William Robb wrote: > Now I realize that Paul won't believe me, but a few years ago I was talking > about computers with an acquaintance who is both a Mac user and an idiot. I > mentioned something about file extensions and he didn't have a clue what I > was talking

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2010/6/1 Cotty : > In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make > it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that > cameras, lenses or computers. In this respect, it will be the same for > PC users and Mac users. Of course it should be the same. Keepin

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On 2010-06-01 22:48 , P. J. Alling wrote: Some file systems don't use extensions, they associate programs and data using other methods. I don't know how Apple did it in the pre OS-X days, (I didn't care enough to actually learn), but Now I assume they use the Unix conventions. Mac OS X has seve

RE: OT - Abobe Woes

-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Joseph McAllister Sent: Tuesday, 1 June 2010 5:06 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - Abobe Woes Too bad you kids weren't around when installing PageMaker took 6 800k floppies

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 6/1/2010 11:13 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 9:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Rob Studdert On 01/06/2010, steve harley wrote: > citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that > says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated > >

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Damn I guess I don't count. :-) On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:28 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:19 PM, William Robb wrote: > >> On 01/06/2010 9:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >>> >>> -- >>> If you were secure enough to not give a damn about what I think, you >>> wouldn't have

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I know there's a Mark! in here somewhere but I'm afraid to pick it out. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Rob Studdert >> >> On 01/06/2010, steve harley wrote: >>> >>> > citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study >>> > that >>> > says Mac user

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

Waaatch it! Tom C. On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 11:13 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 9:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote: >> >> From: Rob Studdert >>> >>> On 01/06/2010, steve harley wrote: > citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that > says Mac use

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:59 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 9:28 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > >>> >> I hope to take you up on that. >> I have no real need to change. I haven't had an antagonistic relationship >> with anyone here, other than you, and -- at times -- Godders. However I >> wo

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On 01/06/2010 9:28 PM, paul stenquist wrote: I hope to take you up on that. I have no real need to change. I haven't had an antagonistic relationship with anyone here, other than you, and -- at times -- Godders. However I would be happy to have the opportunity to abandon our history of conte

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:19 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 9:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >> >> >>> -- >> If you were secure enough to not give a damn about what I think, you >> wouldn't have posted such a nasty remark. But you're a child. I know that, >> so I tolerate you. In fact, I f

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On 01/06/2010 9:10 PM, paul stenquist wrote: -- If you were secure enough to not give a damn about what I think, you wouldn't have posted such a nasty remark. But you're a child. I know that, so I tolerate you. In fact, I find you amusing. There is a difference between being secure and be

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 01/06/2010 9:01 PM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Rob Studdert On 01/06/2010, steve harley wrote: > citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that > says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated > > But

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 1, 2010, at 11:02 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 7:20 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >> >> On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, William Robb wrote: >> >>> On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. >>> >>> He

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 01/06/2010 7:20 PM, paul stenquist wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last investment account was

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

From: Rob Studdert On 01/06/2010, steve harley wrote: > citation please, or it's balderdash; best i can find is a 2002 study that > says Mac users (then, at least) were richer and better educated > > But gullible, they don't actually make owners cr

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 8:45 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: >> >> >>> >> Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. >> >> > > He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last > investment account was something like 35 billion

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I'll speak tio what I know, i.e., my personal preferences. I have a MacBook and a Dell laptop. The Mac is a nice computer but I'm not particularly attached to it. I also use my Blackberry/iPod Touch to access the Internet for email, weather, etc. since they are faster than the computer unless I

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 01/06/2010 6:31 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A pity that. He's a millionaire investment banker who retired at the age of 50. His last investment account was something like 35 billion dollars that he was working with the CIBC. He's a very secure individu

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 7:13 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 2:37 PM, steve harley wrote: >> .. there's not enough clear info in that blog post to support >> any conclusion >> >> > Other than my friend's tongue in cheek assessment of Mac users. :-) > Sounds like he's a bit insecure. A p

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On 01/06/2010 2:37 PM, steve harley wrote: .. there's not enough clear info in that blog post to support any conclusion Other than my friend's tongue in cheek assessment of Mac users. :-) -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdm

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On 2010-06-01 14:14 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 1:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. When the bailout happened, Apple was worth somewhat less than a drop in a bucket. They had pretty much been written off for dead. it w

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On 2010-06-01 12:39 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google want's to turn the Browser into an OS replacement. Microsoft owns the Desktop OS market. You think potential monopolists have changed since J.D. Rockefeller and Standard Oil? i've been a desktop developer for most of my career, but the future is

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 2010-06-01 12:33 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 12:19 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 11:49 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, tota

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 2010-06-01 07:27 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 1:59 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I reiterate: Adobe had 1.5 years advance notice. Apple made available lists of software that would break. Adobe was at the top of the alpha list. Adobe, in couched terms, basically said their software wou

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 01/06/2010 1:03 PM, paul stenquist wrote: For a company valued at 222 billion, that's a drop in the bucket. When the bailout happened, Apple was worth somewhat less than a drop in a bucket. They had pretty much been written off for dead. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

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By market cap, but that only measures what the circulatiing stock is worth, not how big a company actually is. A bad trading day and Microsoft could be back on top, a bad trading week and Apple could lose half it's value, (the same is true for Microsoft, but that's beside the point). How mu

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, William Robb wrote: > On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: > >> Diversity has its benefits: >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html >> >> > > The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either. > > For a co

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 01/06/2010 12:42 PM, paul stenquist wrote: Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html The 150,000,000 that Microsoft gave them probably didn't hurt too much either. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.

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On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:21 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Apple has been playing on MS's turf all along without making major inroads > into their core business. Diversity has its benefits: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/27/technology/27apple.html > On 6/1/2010 1:49 PM, William Robb wrote: >> On 01/06

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 6/1/2010 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:40 , P. J. Alling wrote: On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing to people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using I guess it worked, when I more or les

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 01/06/2010 12:19 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 11:49 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 6/1/2010 2:16 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:40 , P. J. Alling wrote: On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing to people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using I guess it worked, when I more or les

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 2010-06-01 11:49 , William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reas

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 6/1/2010 1:49 PM, William Robb wrote: On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of rea

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 2010-06-01 08:40 , P. J. Alling wrote: On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: that stereotype was mostly generated by Apple marketing -- playing to people's insecurities about whatever computer they were using I guess it worked, when I more or less decided to join the PC revolution, Micro

Re: OT - Abobe Woes

On 01/06/2010 11:24 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give s

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On 01/06/2010 11:12 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote: On 6/1/2010 9:34 AM, William Robb wrote: And, as I just discovered, if I walk away from the computer with an email in mid composition, it will leave it open, but also drop it into the drafts folder. It doesn't give me the option of sending when I want

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On 2010-06-01 08:46 , P. J. Alling wrote: Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give sustenance to your enemy? uh, Google and App

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On 6/1/2010 9:34 AM, William Robb wrote: And, as I just discovered, if I walk away from the computer with an email in mid composition, it will leave it open, but also drop it into the drafts folder. It doesn't give me the option of sending when I want to. OE would allow me to hit send on the me

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On 01/06/2010 10:28 AM, John Francis wrote: On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 03:03:33PM +0100, Cotty wrote: In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that cameras, lenses or computers. Two words - Ken Rockhead.

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On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 03:03:33PM +0100, Cotty wrote: > > In my experience, those who make a living from the tools they use make > it a point to understand them and ensure they keep working, be that > cameras, lenses or computers. Two words - Ken Rockhead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDM

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On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 10:34 AM, William Robb wrote: > The things I'm having problems with is OE let me choose where my store > folder was located, which allowed me to move it off the OS drive and onto my > mirrored drive, which made me feel a bit safer about data loss. > I don't think Thunderbir

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On 01/06/2010 8:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Google has apparently decided to ban the use of MS operating systems in its facilities, making employees switch to Macs or Linux. Then again, what does Google know? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html They know th

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Google is a competitor with Microsoft, they both want the same thing, TWD, total world domination, Now Linux and Apple may want the same thing but for a number of reasons that's unlikely with either. Why give sustenance to your enemy? On 6/1/2010 10:38 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Google has

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Google has apparently decided to ban the use of MS operating systems in its facilities, making employees switch to Macs or Linux. Then again, what does Google know? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html Dan >> On 01/06/2010 1:53 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote: >>>

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On 6/1/2010 5:54 AM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-05-31 12:22 , P. J. Alling wrote: Richer and better educated doesn't necessarly translate to more intellegent. which is why i didn't say i had disproved the assertion; just pointing out how fruitless my search for the "study" had been Though

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