Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-18 Thread Derby Chang
Cotty wrote: It was only a matter of time.. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ LOL, one of the hax0r3rz is narf. l33t, Frank

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-18 Thread Thibouille
According to my informations, current XP versions (and Vista as well) will NOT be capable of booting from EFI (without bios compatibility module) and this for a simple reason: EFI's made by Intel and Intel had no intention to support 64bit the AMD way. So (current verision) EFI simply doesn't suppo

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-18 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
EFI is Intel's response to Sun's OpenBoot, which is what the Apple PowerPC systems use as the hardware-OS bootstrap. Same basic concept, but C based instead of Forth based. Interesting. Hard to believe that XP is still dependent upon BIOS!! That goes back to the early 1980s. G On Mar 18,

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-18 Thread Adam Maas
EFI's coming to Windows machines as well, so it was a matter of figuring out what was different between the Vista betas floating around and XP on the boot side (Vista will be the first 'EFI-ready' MS OS, but XP test builds are known to boot on EFI) -Adam Thibouille wrote: For what I read o

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-18 Thread Adam Maas
The last version of those cards ran a Pentium clone (6x86 or a K6) and ran in the late 604-era machines. Still not a perfect solution, but better than emulation was on any system slower than a G4. -Adam John Francis wrote: I had some experience with that product; there was also a version o

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-18 Thread Lon Williamson
Yeah it was awkward. As I recall, you had to create one large file on disk that became the FAT16 drive. My neighbor had one of those cards in his machine for his wife to use. Kinda like installing the freebie BeOs on a Wintel machine. Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Lon

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-18 Thread Thibouille
For what I read on that subject (sorry if some do not understand the details): * From a hardware POV, Mac machines are just PC-like internally. Nothing different. * From a software POV (except the OS) the firmware is different. MAC use EFI without the Bios compatibility add-on which makes XP unboo

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Lon Williamson wrote: Hell, in the mid 90s Apple had a hardware solution: a 386 card, if I remember correctly. And someone at the same time had a software- only solution. This is back in the 68K processor days. Yes, but two separate computers in a single box, e

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 17, 2006, at 3:06 PM, Cotty wrote: On 17/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware four years ago when I was at Apple. Are you still bound by the non-disclosure agreement you signed back then ? ;-) For t

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread John Francis
I'm sure he's looking forward to the improved reliability & economy :-) On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 08:19:57AM +0800, David Savage wrote: > What does the Ferrari own think about that plan? > > Dave :-) > > On 3/18/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In other news, I'm thinking about ins

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread John Francis
I had some experience with that product; there was also a version of it that ran on Apollo (68000-based) workstations. As Paul says, the software emulation hoovered. The version that used hardware (a 286, not a 386, IIRC), plus some fancy logic to share the ISA bus, worked a great deal better.

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Lon Williamson
Yup. Softwindows it was. Never ran it. I had my Mac, but always had access to PCs within a year or two of their introduction. Ahh XT and a 10MB hard drive for something like 4 or 5 grand in 1985. Paul Stenquist wrote: I used SoftWindows on an early Power Mac On Mar 17, 2006,

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread William Robb
On 3/18/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98 Honda Civic in a Ferrari. A friend of mine put a small block Chevy engine and drivetrain into a postwar Rolls Royce (not sure of the year, but the first year they started maki

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Paul Stenquist
I used SoftWindows on an early Power Mac to run some software for analyzing performance data fromf RC race cars back in the mid nineties. It was okay for this relatively low demand software, which was basically just a tool for displaying what an onboard data collector had gathered during a race

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread David Savage
What does the Ferrari own think about that plan? Dave :-) On 3/18/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98 > Honda Civic in a Ferrari. > > :) > > On 3/17/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 17, 2006, at

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Lon Williamson
Hell, in the mid 90s Apple had a hardware solution: a 386 card, if I remember correctly. And someone at the same time had a software- only solution. This is back in the 68K processor days. Cotty wrote: On 17/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: Of course. I had Windows and M

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/3/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: >Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware >four years ago when I was at Apple. Are you still bound by the non-disclosure agreement you signed back then ? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 17, 2006, at 4:00 PM, Juan Buhler wrote: In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98 Honda Civic in a Ferrari. HAR! -Aaron

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Scott Loveless
Bad analogy. The civic was most likely reliable. On 3/17/06, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98 > Honda Civic in a Ferrari. > > :) > > On 3/17/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM,

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Juan Buhler
In other news, I'm thinking about installing the engine of my '98 Honda Civic in a Ferrari. :) On 3/17/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Cotty wrote: > > > It was only a matter of time.. > > > >

Re: OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 17, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Cotty wrote: It was only a matter of time.. Of course. I had Windows and Mac OS X running on the same hardware four years ago when I was at Apple. Godfrey

OT - Windows on a Mac

2006-03-17 Thread Cotty
It was only a matter of time.. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _