Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-04 Thread David Mann
On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Cotty wrote: On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse. Mark. From the 2005 quotations list: This comment is not designed to add useful discourse. - William Robb

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-03 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/03/07 1:12 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Monarch shot is good, if a little over-saturated. The road and treeline is a fun example of a blue/gold polarizer. The other two are crap. Looking at the tree line and its edge, magic wand was used to make the sky look clear :-). Ken

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:17:37 -, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or they _will_ _die_. Simple as that. But the others won't. Simple as

RE: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread J. C. O'Connell
-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:17:37 -, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If every other manufacture brings out a FF body

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price difference in absolute dollars between FF and APS has and will continue to drop. As it gets lower and lower, the benefit/(price difference) ratio will get too high to make APS attractive or maybe even eventually feasable. Thats

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Scott Loveless
nelson HAHA! /nelson On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIIEEee. Not Ken Rockwell! Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/1/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why i have not read a DP review thread in 12 months. i Prefer to ask those actally

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread mike wilson
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 01:55:09 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The price difference in absolute

RE: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread J. C. O'Connell
of not having higher rez. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:55 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D On 03/01/07, J. C

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in price by at least the value of area of

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in price by at least the value of area of silicon

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread David Savage
On 1/2/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone who does not use wide lenses might not care, but given that Pentax offer is especially strong at the wide end, it should matter for Pentax customers. In other words, would you buy 24x36mm DLSR from Pentax, if pictures it takes with

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Silicon is least part of price, it is yield that matters. And it drops exponentially with increase of size of sensor, thus making production expensive. Grated, that's why I said at least, yields may be able to be improved (as they have been

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Doug Franklin
On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIIEEee. Not Ken Rockwell! Do we need a Ken Rockwell Rule similar to the Newsgroup Nazi Rule? :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm afraid that your argument is purely speculative, there is no proof as yet that any Pentax 35mm lenses perform poorly on FF sensors. The whole thread is purely speculative ;-P I'm not saying never, but currently Pentax seems to be heading in

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for those interested in best quality and high resolution, I'd suggest searching in ebay for 67 and 645 Pentax lenses - prices will soar later this year. And it is much less speculative prediction than the whole FF thingy. This assumes

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/2/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIIEEee. Not Ken Rockwell! Do we need a Ken Rockwell Rule similar to the Newsgroup Nazi Rule? :-) Yes, please. There is usually a bit of reservation before comparing

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread P. J. Alling
There is nothing that makes 24x36mm sweet spot except for Canon's marketing strategy and the huge supply of very good to brilliant existing lenses designed for that format. Bronek Kozicki wrote: Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The pertinent consideration of course is

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread K.Takeshita
On 1/02/07 10:46 AM, Bronek Kozicki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying never, but currently Pentax seems to be heading in different direction. We will see. As for now, I'm buying both FA and DA lenses, depending on my immediate needs. It is well known that Canon's lens line up is not

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread P. J. Alling
Yes, but it would be violated anyway. (Actually, now I feel violated, I'm off for a shower). Doug Franklin wrote: On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AIIEEee. Not Ken Rockwell! Do we need a Ken Rockwell Rule similar to the Newsgroup Nazi

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And for those interested in best quality and high resolution, I'd suggest searching in ebay for 67 and 645 Pentax lenses - prices will soar later this year. And it is much less speculative prediction than the

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Bronek Kozicki
P. J. Alling wrote: There is nothing that makes 24x36mm sweet spot except for Canon's marketing strategy and the huge supply of very good to brilliant existing lenses designed for that format. the point I was trying to make is that alghough these lenses loose their angle of view, they

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Adam Maas
K.Takeshita wrote: On 1/02/07 10:46 AM, Bronek Kozicki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not saying never, but currently Pentax seems to be heading in different direction. We will see. As for now, I'm buying both FA and DA lenses, depending on my immediate needs. It is well known that

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Adam Maas
Bronek Kozicki wrote: Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in price by at least the

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Bronek Kozicki wrote: The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing discussion that could end up like whining when Pentax will finally release full frame camera?!. There is no full frame to start with, it's just 135 format called by a different name invented by Canon

RE: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread J. C. O'Connell
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Bronek Kozicki wrote: The fact

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you seem to forgot that the new Hoya Pentax company will launch in October -- I'd be surprised if 645D does not go to market before this date, and I'd be shocked if it is pulled back with no good reason other than merger. I think I'd fall

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-02 Thread Tom C
- Original Message - From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have finally got my hands on a K10D. Wonderful machine. But I got it mainly because I found the D to be too slow when shooting RAW in the studio. The pixel count made no difference. John Hah! Tom C. -- PDML

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-01 Thread Christian
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or they _will_ _die_. Simple as that. But the others won't. Simple as that. And actually it won't affect Pentax. Any

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-01 Thread Scott Loveless
On 1/1/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why i have not read a DP review thread in 12 months. i Prefer to ask those actally using the product what its like.:-) This guy has a great website: http://www.kenrockwell.com/ g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-01 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: - Original Message - From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or they _will_ _die_. Simple as that. But the others won't. Simple as that. And actually it won't affect

Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D

2007-01-01 Thread P. J. Alling
AIIEEee. Not Ken Rockwell! Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/1/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is why i have not read a DP review thread in 12 months. i Prefer to ask those actally using the product what its like.:-) This guy has a great website: