Hi,
Having difficulty with mail here, so resent; apologies if this
is a repeat.
Hi,
With function 15 set to 1, there is no discernable imprint on
Kodachrome 25, although it prints perfectly clearly on 64.
And WR is right - it does sound like a hamster sneezing.
mike
That's what I said all along. The other way is nearly impossible unless the
rewind is really slow since I don't know a single camera that counts
sprocket holes on rewind and could snap shot some data while the film is
streaming by in hardly over 10 seconds or so.
Kent Gittings
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On 22 Dec 2001 at 22:42, Pål Jensen wrote: Sorry, but this has been tested by
others proving that when the film is NOT
rewounded theres no data printed. In addition, other test also prove that the
film is printed on rewind. Pentax litterature says where the emitter is and it
is positioned in
So Pål's explanation seems to correlate with the physical lay-out of the
camera
and Bill's results are a total mystery?
Cheers,
Rob Studdert
Could some of you rewinders please explain how film that has been removed
from the camera and processed without being rewound can still show the
Bill wrote:
Could some of you rewinders please explain how film that has been removed
from the camera and processed without being rewound can still show the
exposure data imprint please explain it to me. I have done this and seen
the results.
I honestly don't know Bill but some have done
el: domingo, 23 de diciembre de 2001 16:30
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: MZ-S Data imprinting
Bill wrote:
Could some of you rewinders please explain how film that has been
removed
from the camera and processed without being rewound can still show the
exposure data imprint please explain
, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: MZ-S Data imprinting
Ok, let it go untill tomorrow, when I will do the test. I´m gonna place
the camera in the dark box, cut the film, and put it on the processor, I
think this is the way for doing the test.
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I have never seen a MZ-S real life, but it would make sense to me the
writing is done during the film transport immediately after taking the
exposure. Waiting to print during rewind would require the storage of the
data in memory for all shots, and think about the additional hassle for mid
roll
Frits,
That was my opinion too. However, since many of the folks here are much
more knowledgeable I wanted to verify and have a basis for backing up my
claim before I opened my mouth.
Bill, KG4LOV
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I have never seen a MZ-S real life, but it would make sense to me the
Tom wrote:
Though I likely will never own one, it seems that imprinting at rewind would
be problemmatic and needlessly complicated.
Can anyone explain this myth? To mee it seem ten times more problematic to imprint
data during wind than rewind.
Pål
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Frits wrote:
I have never seen a MZ-S real life, but it would make sense to me the
writing is done during the film transport immediately after taking the
exposure.
Waiting to print during rewind would require the storage of the
data in memory for all shots, and think about the additional
Bill wrote:
There was a thread recently about MZ-S data imprinting and whether it was
done at time of exposure or during rewind. I can now answer the question.
At work tonight, I put the MZ-S in our dark box, opened the back and removed
about half a roll. Stuck it in the film processor
Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Regardless, the dataimprinting emitter is located where the film comes
out of its casette. This means that the area of the film being exposed
has already moved past the sensor. Hence, the only way to pair up the
data and the frame exposed is during rewind
This make no sense. It is imprinting on rewind that make mid roll change
and roll number count totally hassle free. Think of what happens: every time
you open the back door of your camera the memory is getting cleared. This
mean that you can reload a film 36 times if you like and the camera will
Bill, KG4LOV
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Bill wrote:
There was a thread recently about MZ-S data imprinting and whether it
was
done at time of exposure or during rewind. I can now answer the
question.
At work tonight, I put the MZ-S in our dark box, opened the back and
removed
about half a
Tom wrote:
Though I likely will never own one, it seems that imprinting at rewind
would
be problemmatic and needlessly complicated.
Can anyone explain this myth? To mee it seem ten times more problematic to
imprint data during wind than rewind.
Pål
There are 11 sensors at the bottom of
It was rewound from the take-up spool. The MZ-S DEFINITELY IMPRINTS
EXPOSURE DATA AT THE TIME OF EXPOSURE
Bill, KG4LOV
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From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: MZ-S
Paul Wilkinson explained he re-winded the film before removing the film out
of the camera, so it could be very well Pål is correct. I assumed printing
was done after rewinding the full film, but it would make more sense to do
it after the rewind of a partially exposed film and not wait. Although
I think one of the MZ-S owners need to do this: remove the film in a dark
bag at frame 35, rewind it outside the camera manually into the canister
before processing it. And then let us know what happened.
Frits Wüthrich
This is precisely what I did, although with a partial roll. The data
Bill wrote:
It was rewound from the take-up spool. The MZ-S DEFINITELY IMPRINTS
EXPOSURE DATA AT THE TIME OF EXPOSURE
Sorry, but this has been tested by others proving that when the film is NOT rewounded
theres no data printed. In addition, other test also prove that the film is
Bill wrote:
There are 11 sensors at the bottom of the MZ-S, just below the guide rails.
Evidently these sensors are what imprints the exposure data between the
sprocket holes.
The eleven sensors are not sensor but electrical contacts for the databack. They are
also outside the film path so
Mark wrote:
I just checked my MZ-S and the data imprinting emitter is not where the film
comes out of the cassette, it's on the other side right next to the take-up
spool.
This is NOT the dtataimprinting emmitter but the sprocket hole sensor. The data is
imprinted on the top of the film.
Frits wrote:
I assumed printing
was done after rewinding the full film, but it would make more sense to do
it after the rewind of a partially exposed film and not wait.
Yes, that's exactly what happens. It prints the data for the frames exposed after the
film was loaded. If you expose
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En nombre de Pål Jensen
Enviado el: sábado, 22 de diciembre de 2001 22:53
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: MZ-S Data imprinting
Frits wrote:
I assumed printing
was done after rewinding the full film, but it would make more sense
to do
it after the rewind
I think one of the MZ-S owners need to do this: remove the film in a
dark
bag at frame 35, rewind it outside the camera manually into the canister
before processing it. And then let us know what happened.
It has been done and it didn't print on those frames.
Pål
It did on my MZ-S.
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Bill,
Sounds like a pretty fool proof experiment!
Thanks for clearing that up.
Regards, Bob S.
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I placed the MZ-S and a 126 holder in a dark box. I opened the back of the
MZ-S, cut the film at the cassette and pulled the film off the take-up
spool. I then rewound
Bill wrote:
It did on my MZ-S.
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Bill wrote:
It did on my MZ-S.
But not on others who tested it. Sombody must have done some mistake in their testing
procedure or Pentax have changed the design of the MZ-S. Theres no way my MZ-S could
imprint data except on rewind.
Again there is the posibility that your MZ-S is
Cool test Bill... and practical!
Though I likely will never own one, it seems that imprinting at rewind would
be problemmatic and needlessly complicated.
Tom C.
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:25 PM
Bill wrote:
What are those 11 brass colored discs in my MZ-S if not data emitters?
Electrical contacts to the data back.
Pål
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paul,
Thanks for the extensive test. From your results, I'm guessing that
Mid-roll change will work with data imprinting because the body would
know how many frames it skipped. If you used the old method -fire
until the right frame (kept dark of course), would probably double
imprint the first
This is why the MZ-S has the dial-in the first frame number feature. If it
didn't and you used the conventional lens-cap-on, 1/6000th at f/22
technique, the original imprinting would be overwritten with the above data.
Regards
Jim
Christien Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for
Great!!. Another good reason to get the MZ-S :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is why the MZ-S has the dial-in the first frame number feature.
If it didn't and you used the conventional lens-cap-on, 1/6000th at
f/22 technique, the original imprinting would be overwritten with the
above
Michel wrote:
REWINDING ? On the 645N ?
Sorry. I mix up. I believe printing is done while rewinding on the MZ-S.
What I meant was: Is the data imprinting done
as one large array of pixel, or like an old-style dot matrix printer, where there is
only a column of dots that moves across and
On 7 Jun 2001, at 8:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll bet you within a year every SLR manufacturer will be copying the MZ-s's
data imprinting feature. It just absolutely rocks. Might be a problem for people
who shoot reversal film and don't do their own slide mounting though. (I can see
a
Speaking of data imprinting, can someone who uses this feature
with the 645N clarify the following point:
How is the 'bulb' exposure data printed, as 'B' or with
the ACTUAL time ?
Thanks
Michel
I developed some tri-x from this weekend. As I was filing it, I saw some
funny exposure blotches
Hello!
That's me again.
What other Pentax 35mm cameras have an option of imprinting exposition
details somewhere on the film?
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From: tom
Subject: MZ-S Data Imprinting
[...]
Hey, that there's data imprinting!
[...]
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I'll bet you within a year every SLR manufacturer will be copying the MZ-s's
data imprinting feature. It just absolutely rocks.
Might be a problem for people who shoot reversal film and don't do their
own slide mounting though. (I can see a market for some kind of gizmo that
pries open your
None.
DG
At 10:23 AM 6/7/01 +0200, you wrote:
Hello!
That's me again.
What other Pentax 35mm cameras have an option of imprinting exposition
details somewhere on the film?
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From: tom
Subject: MZ-S Data Imprinting
[...]
Hey, that there's data imprinting!
[...]
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AHA! That would be different than the way the MZ-S reportedly
does it (imprinting only 'B').
Does the 645N imprint WHILE the film is advancing to the next
frame, one row/column of dots at a time, or is it done all at once?
Michel
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From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel wrote:
AHA! That would be different than the way the MZ-S reportedly
does it (imprinting only 'B').
Are you sure? Thats bad news
Does the 645N imprint WHILE the film is advancing to the next
frame, one row/column of dots at a time, or is it done all at once?
I believe its
Does the 645N imprint WHILE the film is advancing to the next
frame, one row/column of dots at a time, or is it done all at once?
I believe its done one dots at a time while rewinding the film. Not sure though
Pål
REWINDING ? On the 645N ? What I meant was: Is the data
Nice bokeh.
William Robb
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From: tom
Subject: MZ-S Data Imprinting
I developed some tri-x from this weekend. As I was filing it,
I saw some
funny exposure blotches along the edges.
Hey, that there's data imprinting!
So, here's a scan:
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