Just back from a short break in Seville - took the 20-35mm, 28-70, 80-200
and the 43mm. Probably used the 43mm about 75% of the time. Why - I think
it has to do with 'natural perspective'. Things just looked - and felt
-right with the 43. Once I got into the rhythm it was no problem to step
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 21:43:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Only using my prime lenses - I promise
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, William Robb wrote:
Why the hell do the interesting threads start when I am working
on getting the PUG together?
I will probably
David Hatfield wrote, in part:
Shel - I don't care what anybody says, I don't think you look anything
like Hannibal Lecter.
Damn straight, Dave. Shel does not look like Hannibal. Rather, it is
Hannibal who looks like Shel. grin.
-Lon
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Hi,
I won't promise anithing like that...
Here's my story:
I started SLR photgraphy with some russian screwmount
Zenits and later upgraded to Praktica. My lenses were
also east-german and russian ones. What a simple
situation, almost no zooms there... ;-)
My first and only M42 zoom lens was
Chris Brogden wrote:
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I'm not condemning zooms... I'm just thinking about the style of shooting I
tend toward when using them.
Tom C.
There is a practical money side to zoom vs. prime,
particularly PENTAX.
If you own any K-mount body except a few (ZX30 and 50?),
you have a treasure
I've been arguing for years in favor of primes, basically because I think
people who use ONLY zooms or who ASSUME zooms are inherently better can
often benefit from having their eyes opened. Shooting with a prime for a
while is a great way for people to move the quality of their shooting up a
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I've
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There's a certain amount of intimidation factor you can avoid by going
small, fast, and light.
Len
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I think your quality assessment of zoom lenses is more than just a bit
subjective. I don't believe the image quality of the lenses you listed
easily matches even the best primes as you stated. Even the best primes
includes the most stupendous
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Also I think primes let me get more intimate with the subject. I.E., if I
have to walk up to it, away from it, or around it, I'm
Hi Cesar ...
I mean both - a fast aperture and a lens that allows for quick, easy
handling. Zooms are, IMO, too big, clumsy, and slow to operate for
quick shooting.
Remember, no matter what lens or camera system you're using, you'll
never capture every photograph that you see.
Matamoros,
Gittings
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 4:33 PM
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Dave,
Since you have one of the lenses I was looking at, I would
Mike Johnston wrote: (my comments interspersed)
I've been arguing for years in favor of primes, basically because I think
people who use ONLY zooms or who ASSUME zooms are inherently better can
often benefit from having their eyes opened. Shooting with a prime for a
while is a great way for
use
them anymore.
Kent Gittings
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Well, all this prime v zoom stuff is useless
My 2cents on the whole matter...
Of the 5 lenses I have, I prefer my primes when I'm out and about being
creative. (Go stick a 14mm rectilinear or a 15mm semi-fish on your
body... Talk about learning curve! Great fun!) But when I recently
took some shots at a wedding for a friend of mine I
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Chris Brogden wrote:
That is, if you're going to argue that
zooms encourage us to stay in one position,
then it's only fair to say that primes
encourage us to shoot with one focal length.
I think more can be learned
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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 10:51 AM
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Who says you have to stay in one position to use a zoom? If you treat the
zoom as a bag full of primes you can learn additional skills.
Kent Gittings
David Hatfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm heading to Italy in two weeks and plan on taking
nothing by my 28-70 and 20-35. I'll see what happens.
Hi David,
Any chance we can meet?
I'm in Naples (well, in Ercolano, but it's so close that you
cannot part one from another...).
Gianfranco
Make
I'm in Naples
Beautiful part of the world - bay of naples, vesuvius, amalfi, capri,
sorrento, castellemare Ge that brings back memories - might go back
there next year!
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Subject: Heading to Italy (was: RE: Only using my prime lenses - I promise)
David Hatfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm heading to Italy in two weeks and plan on taking
nothing by my 28-70 and 20-35. I'll see what happens.
Hi David
Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm in Naples
Beautiful part of the world - bay of naples, vesuvius, amalfi,
capri,
sorrento, castellemare Ge that brings back memories -
might go back
there next year!
Hi Tim,
PDML members are always welcome around here! (only list members
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Buono Sera, Gianfranco,
I'd love to get the opportunity to visit with you while in
Italy! I will be
in Naples between the 13th
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Tim S Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm in Naples
Beautiful part of the world - bay of naples, vesuvius, amalfi,
capri,
sorrento, castellemare Ge
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photographs don't present themselves (usually); they
have to be looked for. I have a friend who will sometimes show me a bunch of
similar proofs and say I know there was a shot there somewhere, but I
didn't get it.
That's a great way of putting it. There
aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recognized was the potential of the subject. In fact, if I recall, I
stopped on the way in and tried to get the boats. I gave up, walked around
looking at other things for a while, and when I came back to leave I stopped
again. I remember a sense of
We did 50 mm lens about a year and a half back. It was fun. I wouldn't
mind trying it again.
Paul
Mark Roberts wrote:
aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recognized was the potential of the subject. In fact, if I recall, I
stopped on the way in and tried to get the boats. I gave up,
Chris wrote:
The newer Olympuses have a constant-aperture f1.8 through the zoom range,
so the C4040, for example, is a 4P camera with a 35-105mm equivalent lens
that's f1.8 at every focal length. Fun, aren't they? :)
Chris,
I don't think that's right--the 4040 has the same lens my 3040
One of my favourite photos was taken about thirty years ago: I had seen that
there was a potentially good combination of shapes, but I never quite got the
light right (or the right light!). Then eventually, after eighteen months of
revisiting the spot, it all happened! And it took just one
I'm behind on my mail again -- I've read the first several
messages in this thread but am not caught up. I wanted to chime
in anyhow, because I too had been thinking about primes vs.
zooms recently. Basically, I started noticing more the ways in
which I use both types of lenses. Some of this
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Photographs don't present themselves (usually); they
have to be looked for. I have a friend who will sometimes show me a bunch of
similar proofs and say I know there was a shot there somewhere, but I
didn't get it.
Argh. That reminds me of my favourite
Certainly an interesting observation. I have been somewhat resistant to
using zooms much for fear of the same thing happening to me. I really only
have one zoom that I take now (Tokina 28-70 f:2.8) and find that I don't
want it to be the default lens. But for how things fit in the bag, it is
aimcompute wrote:
So... I've decided to take my zooms out of the camera bag for an indefinite
period of time, at least a month, maybe forever unless it's a family
vacation. I will only use a M 28mm, FA 43mm, FA 100mm macro, and M 200mm.
sniff
Tom, you've renewed my faith in my fellow man.
I don't use zooms much - very rarely in fact, because they're bigger,
heavier, and slower to work with. They also get in the way of my
shooting around a subject. It's too easy to crop with a zoom while
standing in the same place, and often good shots made from a slightly
different perspective
Dayton
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Certainly an interesting observation. I have been somewhat resistant to
using zooms much for fear of the same thing happening to me. I really only
have one zoom that I take now
using my prime lenses - I promise
I don't know, Bruce (et. al.). Seems to me that zooms are finding their
own
spot in today's photographic world. Years ago the argument for using
primes
centered on the fact that they were generally a higher quality lens that
what you could find in even
the above mentioned primes.
Len
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I don't know, Bruce (et. al.). Seems to me that zooms are finding their own
actually
use the zoom if I got it.
Thanks,
Bruce Dayton
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Bruce,
I've been very pleased with the lens so far
, October 30, 2001 2:47 PM
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Dave,
I have to say this as a joke, no rub intended. Rumor has it you should not
be using 3rd party lenses, they supposedly scream amateur, you should be
using Canon lenses, at least that's what I've heard. :-)
Tom C.
Dave writes:
I've been very pleased with the lens so far. I've only
was thinking more along the lines of Abby Hoffman,
but, of course, that's just my opinion!
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Dave,
Thanks for your input and comments on this lens. There aren't that many
choices in this type of lens for the Pentax shooter. I suspect I have two
quandries
I will only use a M 28mm, FA 43mm, FA 100mm macro,
and M 200mm. I hope to see a difference in the
results, both in quality and composition.
Tom,
You will see and feel the difference.
Regards, Bob S.
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Dave,
Know that you have had your prune juice, I should mention that I
have
always tried to accomplish with 35mm what I would expect in medium format.
Likewise, in medium format what I would expect
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Dave,
Thanks for your input and comments on this lens. There aren't
Hey, Dave!
I'm 58 and lugging it keeps me fit.
Bob
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I've learned
On Tuesday, October 30, 2001, at 07:19 PM, tom wrote:
David Hatfield wrote:
I still say, though, that what you're doing with five lenses I can do
with
two. Since I don't own any of the lenses you mention I can't speak
from
first hand experience, but I still contend that with proper
On 30 Oct 2001, at 15:00, David Hatfield wrote:
That's great, Len.
I still say, though, that what you're doing with five lenses I can do with
two. Since I don't own any of the lenses you mention I can't speak from
first hand experience, but I still contend that with proper photographic
I was having the same problem too. I have found myself enjoy the process of
photography much more when using primes. Prime lenses make me slow down and
do some serious thinking about composition, dof and angle of view. Not to
mention prime lenses deliver better performance in general. The only
You don't know what you are missing because none of your lenses are Pentax.
:)
regards,
Alan Chan
I currently carry four lenses in my bag the Tokina ATX-pro 28-70 f2.6-2.8
(my normal lens), a Tokina ATX-pro 20-35 f2.8, a Tokina ATX-pro 80-200
f2.8 and the Sigma 105 EX f2.8 macro (my only
David, David, David sigh (Comments interspersed)
As in most cases, Shel, I agree with your analysis.
This is a very wise approach, for rarely am I wrong, although I often go
against the crowd g.
However, I'm not sure that I understand your
reasoning as to why a prime should be
I have owned the Tokina ATX Pro 28-70mm f/2.6-2.8 before and it's a good
lens but it's not better than the above mentioned primes.
Not to mention the mighty Pentax SMC.
regards,
Alan Chan
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Bruce Dayton wrote:
I have been toying with getting a wide zoom, but your post gives me
something to think about.
For now, I have the K24/3.5 and the M24-35/3.5 and they're two very
different lenses as far as handling goes. The zoom shows more at 24mm
than the prime
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