Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-20 Thread dagt
Actually, I was thinking about this rumour: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1028message=9474786 a REAL full frame 645... DagT Fra: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once again I must ask, Why. It makes more sense to put the FF sensor in a 35mm size body, maybe with a

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) On 18 Jul 2004 at 16:21, Antonio Aparicio wrote: You correct Don. DOF is an issue for 1.5x cropped APS digital sensor cameras. Of course, having said that its only an issue if you enjoy a shallow DOF. For those who want greater DOF I guess

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Yes, but because of the crop factor your 85mm portrait lens is now a 132mm lens. Therefore for a portrait lens you would use say the 50mm, hence a different DOF, no? A. On 19 Jul 2004, at 01:20, Rob Studdert wrote: On 18 Jul 2004 at 16:21, Antonio Aparicio wrote: You correct Don. DOF is an

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Yes, but what about the old 85mm range which is what most people use for portraits? A. On 19 Jul 2004, at 03:53, Rob Studdert wrote: On 18 Jul 2004 at 21:40, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Makes no sense, for same AOV you are using shorter lenses and have a smaller reproduction ratio with APS size

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread Don Sanderson
not aware of at work here? Don -Original Message- From: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) Antonio wrote: Shorter lenses have greater DOF

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Message- From: Tom Reese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 6:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) Antonio wrote: Shorter lenses have greater DOF and because you are using shorter lenses to get the same AOV

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2004 at 7:39, Tom Reese wrote: Antonio wrote: Shorter lenses have greater DOF and because you are using shorter lenses to get the same AOV as with 35mm you are therefore getting more DOF. It doesn't work that way. If you shoot a full length portrait with a 135mm lens at f/8

Re: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) Yes, but because of the crop factor your 85mm portrait lens is now a 132mm lens. Therefore for a portrait lens you would use say the 50mm, hence

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
: - Original Message - From: Antonio Aparicio Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) Yes, but because of the crop factor your 85mm portrait lens is now a 132mm lens. Therefore for a portrait lens you would use say the 50mm, hence a different

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread Gonz
John Francis wrote: A few years ago many of the best 16x20 and 20x30 prints were digitally produced on a lighjet printer (205ppi R/G/B lasers on photographic paper). I remember that. LaserPhoto or something like that, out of Florida. Amazing prints. They had some type of process where they

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread Gonz
-Original Message- From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? Hi, El Gringo wrote: snicker do that. Also, digital sensors are limited by physics, but there may be a day when there is a sensor for every photon

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread DagT
På 19. jul. 2004 kl. 19.11 skrev Gonz: El Gringo wrote: Maybe a thousand years from now, science will invent a gravity generator, then a portable gravity generator, then tiny gravity generators and anti-gravity generators, then maybe cameras in the future will focus with perfectly formed

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread El Gringo
the idiots in the world all to often... Thanks for reminding me. -el gringo -Original Message- From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? El Gringo wrote: Maybe a thousand years from now, science

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread Peter J. Alling
Once again I must ask, Why. It makes more sense to put the FF sensor in a 35mm size body, maybe with a dual lens mount 645 and K mount but the 35mm lenses have a major advantage in resolution. DagT wrote: På 16. jul. 2004 kl. 22.48 skrev Alan Chan: there are probably other equally plausible

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 17 Jul 2004 at 21:05, El Gringo wrote: Sorry if this is old news but only came though a moment ago: You're so negative Rob, why is that?? I guess I'm just older and wiser than yourself, give it time, you'll get there, just don't be impatient :-) It's scheduled for early 2005, not

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread Jens Bladt
What's a Cotty? Did he convert to Canonism? Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. juli 2004 09:34 Til: pentax list Emne: Re: Pentax is Dying? On 17/7/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-19 Thread Antonio Aparicio
. There will always be a place for portable systems, but for those who want the UTMOST quality, MF is the promised land. -el gringo -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying? On 17

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-18 Thread Cotty
On 17/7/04, Herb Chong, discombobulated, offered: i'm giving them until October to promise a high end DSLR body and a couple of lenses of FA* quality with DA features. if not then, i can't wait and continue to lose photos that i haven't been able to get purely because of hardware limitations.

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Herb Chong
PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) I guess most DSLR buyers are looking for practical and affordable lenses, instead of luxury lenses like the Limited which really aim for manual focus buyers.

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18 Jul 2004 at 7:41, Herb Chong wrote: the ones that are paying attention to their images will discover that the practical and affordable lenses are not good enough for the *istD. the lens quality matters even more with a DSLR than with a film camera. What makes you say this Herb? All my

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-18 Thread Herb Chong
well, let's just say that i'm not optomistic either. Herb - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 6:23 AM Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying Ain't gonna happen Herb. I reckon the best you can hope for is the *ist D

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Dario Bonazza
Alan Chan wrote: Some news from Taiwan retailers (or just rumour) suggested some Pentax FA lenses were not manufactured anymore (like FA100/2.8 FA50/2.8 etc) because they are expecting new lenses to replace them. But then again, nobody can confirm. Just wait a few weeks and you'll see...

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18 Jul 2004 at 14:12, Dario Bonazza wrote: Just wait a few weeks and you'll see... I'll be more disappointed than ever if they start fixing areas of the lens line- up where it 'aint broke before they fix where it is i.e. down the wide/fast end. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Herb Chong
- From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) What makes you say this Herb? All my primes but for the FA24/2 seem up to the task.

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Mark Roberts
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll be more disappointed than ever if they start fixing areas of the lens line-up where it 'aint broke before they fix where it is i.e. down the wide/fast end. Frankly, I have no problem with Pentax's lens lineup at all. I suppose I'd rather like a fast

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Don Sanderson
: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) my observations while scanning a lot of slides, mostly Provia 100F. acceptable lenses that seemed to deliver neglibly

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
Message- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 7:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) my observations while scanning a lot of slides, mostly Provia 100F. acceptable lenses that seemed

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Herb Chong
? (Re: Pentax is Dying) Do you attribute this to rather unforgiving square pixels in digital as versus the softer random edges in film grain? Most of my lenses are in the adequate/good/very good category, I'd hate to think I'd get less from them than I do now by going digital.

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Don Sanderson
, 2004 8:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) that's one factor. the other is the automatic 1.5 magnification of the center portion of the lens circle. Herb - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread El Gringo
generators and anti-gravity generators, then maybe cameras in the future will focus with perfectly formed gravity lenses... -el gringo -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
. Way, way, way, beyond and the istD cant approch what my $125 4x5 speed graphic can do with film, color or BW, NOW. JCO -Original Message- From: El Gringo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying? Sorry, Thats

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Perhaps but I wasnt talking low end 35mm systems. I was talking 35mm SLR vs digital APS SLR. Pentax *ist Film vs Pentax *istD, for arguments sake each with the same glass. A. On 18 Jul 2004, at 19:39, El Gringo wrote: Sorry, Thats bullshit. What you get from a digital PS camera easily exceeds

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
cant approch what my $125 4x5 speed graphic can do with film, color or BW, NOW. JCO -Original Message- From: El Gringo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying? Sorry, Thats bullshit. What you get from a digital PS

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Joseph Tainter
that's one factor. the other is the automatic 1.5 magnification of the center portion of the lens circle. I'm not aware of magnification. It is a crop of the central part of the lens circle, giving a field of view that looks like a 1.5x magnification. Even the photography magazines seem to have

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
And maybee pigs will fly. A. On 18 Jul 2004, at 19:39, El Gringo wrote: Maybe a thousand years from now, science will invent a gravity generator, then a portable gravity generator, then tiny gravity generators and anti-gravity generators, then maybe cameras in the future will focus with

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Pål Jensen
Alan wrote: I read the patent for the 118/2.4 too last year but it doesn't make sense for Pentax ro release another expensive Limited lens consider the last one (FA31/1.8) hasn't sold that well. REPLY: I've no idea whether there will be more Limited lenses. I've heard though, that the

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Pål Jensen
El Gringo wrote: The 645 digital on the other hand has massive potential. It could be made smaller than it is, more in the range of a large 35mm, it could burst faster than any film MF camera, and it has a real viewfinder, unlike the Mamiya 7. Not to mention that it has a nice range of high

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Bill Owens
Message - From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:05 PM Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) that's one factor. the other is the automatic 1.5 magnification of the center portion of the lens circle

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Don Sanderson
with it. Whew! I think I understood what I just said! Don -Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:05 PM To: pdml Subject: Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) that's one factor. the other is the automatic

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Don Sanderson
: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) But it seems that if you take the same information from a SMALLER section of the image circle, Then enlarge that to the same size you would have using the FULL FRAME the image circle is capable of, you have magnified

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Keith Whaley
Have you seen the new (?) Mamiya 7 II? Popular Photography July 2004 adv., page 7. I have not yet compared to the model 7 (basic) but it does seem comparatively small for a 6x7 cm camera... They must be very expensive, as I can't find a hint of a price on their web site. keith whaley Pål

Film vs Digital, Large vs Small Format, (was Re: Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread George Sinos
Earlier Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Antonio wrote: Not to mention the poor quality of those digital prints. Here I must disagree. A properly printed digital print is equal in quality to an average film print, up to 8x10 at least. Above 8x10 and for severe crops I'll agree with you. Our

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread John Francis
Antonio wrote: Not to mention the poor quality of those digital prints. Here I must disagree. A properly printed digital print is equal in quality to an average film print, up to 8x10 at least. Above 8x10 and for severe crops I'll agree with you. Our Frontier 375 minilab does a

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread graywolf
The Mamiya 7II is the current model, the 7 was replaced by it about 3-4 years ago. A 6x7 range finder camera with fabulous (by all reports) lenses. Yes it is expensive, ridiculously so in the US, but many people think the image quality is worth the money. Some think of it as a decendant of the

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread J. C. O'Connell
-Original Message- From: John Francis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 3:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? Antonio wrote: Not to mention the poor quality of those digital prints. Here I must disagree. A properly printed digital print is equal

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
I think the 7 is a follow on from the Mamiya 6 actually. Antonio On 18 Jul 2004, at 21:19, graywolf wrote: Some think of it as a decendant of the Mamiya Press, but I would call it more of a direct decendant of the Simon Omega Rapid, Koni-Omega, Rapid Omega 100 (made by Mamiya) line of cameras.

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread mike wilson
Hi, El Gringo wrote: snicker do that. Also, digital sensors are limited by physics, but there may be a day when there is a sensor for every photon of light. I'm not sure you are saying what you mean. snak) up significantly?? Decades ago?? What about digital?? A few months ago, and not only

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
I stand corrected. Not having seen one of the prints you refer to i was guided by poor quality stuff you get on the high-street. Obviously there is more to it than that. A. On 18 Jul 2004, at 20:08, Bill Owens wrote: Antonio wrote: Not to mention the poor quality of those digital prints. Here I

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread graywolf
LOL! mike wilson wrote: So, if I don't _need_ one, why should I buy one now if a better one will come along next month? That would be a remarkably stupid action by your predictions. Except, if I and many others don't, what you prophesy will not come to pass. I managed to destroy APS and disc

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Bob W
Hi, Sunday, July 18, 2004, 9:33:52 PM, Antonio wrote: I stand corrected. Not having seen one of the prints you refer to i was guided by poor quality stuff you get on the high-street. Obviously there is more to it than that. You should pay attention at exhibitions. There are some

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread El Gringo
PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? And maybee pigs will fly. A. On 18 Jul 2004, at 19:39, El Gringo wrote: Maybe a thousand years from now, science will invent a gravity generator, then a portable gravity generator, then tiny gravity

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Bob W
Hi, Digital could be doomed.. Absolutely! I mean, the best they've been able to come up with so far is the one on Hubble, and that can't resolve anything smaller than a galaxy. Crap! -- Cheers, Bob

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread El Gringo
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? Hi, El Gringo wrote: snicker do that. Also, digital sensors are limited by physics, but there may be a day when there is a sensor for every photon of light. I'm not sure you are saying what you mean. snak) up significantly?? Decades ago?? What about

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread El Gringo
to do TTL view finding with digital quite obviously... Thats my point really, I would love to see a Mamiya 7 III with a 14+ MP sensor. -el gringo -Original Message- From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Will do, living in small village surrounded by the sea on one side and by desert on the other on the south-eastern spanish coast its not that easy to do - but will watch out for the prints next time I am at one in London. A. On 18 Jul 2004, at 23:29, Bob W wrote: Hi, Sunday, July 18, 2004,

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Ah, but isn't the Galaxy doomed? A. On 18 Jul 2004, at 23:53, Bob W wrote: Hi, Digital could be doomed.. Absolutely! I mean, the best they've been able to come up with so far is the one on Hubble, and that can't resolve anything smaller than a galaxy. Crap! -- Cheers, Bob

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Antonio Aparicio
backwards fools, the rest of us are moving forward.* -el gringo -Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? And maybee pigs will fly. A. On 18 Jul 2004, at 19:39, El Gringo wrote: Maybe

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Alan Chan
Lets not forget that the Pentax 645 system IS portable. In fact it weights no more than comparable Nikon/Canon high-end slr systems. The 645 is down right small compared to EOS-1Ds or similar! I'm sure Pentax will make a 645 DSLR even smaller. Without the film transport mechanisms, it is quite

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Nick Clark
By then time viewers will have been invented so there won't be a need for photographs as you can just set your picture frame to show any scene from any viewpoint at any time. Nick -Original Message- On 18 Jul 2004, at 19:39, El Gringo wrote: Maybe a thousand years from

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Dr. Shaun Canning
Hah! The same way they dealt with power supply issues with the *ist Dlet the owners worry about it! Many other DSLR's come with rechargeable batteries (or they are at least available for them), but not the *ist D. This is a major let down IMHO. The ability to use of AA's is great, but not

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18 Jul 2004 at 21:40, J. C. O'Connell wrote: Makes no sense, for same AOV you are using shorter lenses and have a smaller reproduction ratio with APS size formatvs FF 35mm. DOF should not be same as 35mm full frame format. It should be more DOF than 35mm. It might be a greater DOF in

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Jerry Todd
Hi, I just logged on to the list earlier today and this is my first message. Can you explain what a wet mount is, why or how it is better than the standard setup, and how you go about making such a modification. I've an LS-9000 on order, and based on results I've gotten with a Tango drum

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 18 Jul 2004 at 20:24, Jerry Todd wrote: Hi, I just logged on to the list earlier today and this is my first message. Can you explain what a wet mount is, why or how it is better than the standard setup, and how you go about making such a modification. Hi Jerry, Wet mounting isn't a

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Tanya Mayer Photography
. -Original Message- From: Rob Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 19 July 2004 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? On 19 Jul 2004 at 6:40, Dr. Shaun Canning wrote: Hah! The same way they dealt with power supply issues with the *ist Dlet

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread El Gringo
at a time. -el gringo -Original Message- From: Dr. Shaun Canning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? Hah! The same way they dealt with power supply issues with the *ist Dlet the owners worry about it! Many

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Jul 2004 at 14:05, Tanya Mayer Photography wrote: OMG, Rob, did you just say something *positive* about the *istD?!!? Or was I just hallucinating? Maybe I've been eating too many choc chip cookies... (I've been on a bit of a baking binge the last few days...) Sort of, in a round-about

Power Options - (was Re Pentax is Dying?)

2004-07-18 Thread Nick Clark
battery replacement costs when the camera is getting on a bit and no l9nger supported. Nick -Original Message- From: Dr. Shaun Canning[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18/07/04 23:40:11 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? Hah! The same way

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread Jens Bladt
and the Optio MX are good excamples of these lines of future Pentax cameras. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: El Gringo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. juli 2004 07:04 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: RE: Pentax is Dying? Man you

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/7/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, offered: Maybe they have been in the process of replacing the FA lenses? That would be nice, a set of DA prime lenses with the Quick shift focus and the 14mm build. Let´s face it, the FF sensor is for the 645 :-) If they do that and replace

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread Jostein
Given recent discussions, it might offend someone to describe him as Canonized...:-) No brand glorification intended, though... Jostein - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-17 Thread Steve Desjardins
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying I've been told (by Pentax distributors) that Pentax have no plans of meeting demand for the *istD. Maybe the same is the case for the DA lenses

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Otis Wright Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying And, when is this supposed to happen? I hear all these promises about how good its going to be... you know the rest of the story.. I've heard that there will be wonderful things announced

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) Alan wrote: Some news from Taiwan retailers (or just rumour) suggested some Pentax FA lenses were not manufactured anymore (like FA100/2.8 FA50/2.8 etc) because

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Alan Chan Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying? Also, DA16-45 does not meet the built quality of Canon L lenses. I don't think it meets the price point of the Canon L lenses either. William Robb

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Unique? What about the Hasselblad H1 - isn't that a 645 that will take both film and digital backs? Or the Mamiya 645? I guess if the rumored new digital Pentax 645 is a dedicated digital body then that will be kinda of unique, although not as flexible or indeed desirable as the other systems

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread El Gringo
Its also almost half the price of Canon L lens. I'm not bragging, I'm saying WAIT AND SEE. -el gringo -Original Message- From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying? I think it is quite pointless

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread El Gringo
-Original Message- From: Antonio Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? Unique? What about the Hasselblad H1 - isn't that a 645 that will take both film and digital backs? Or the Mamiya 645? I guess

RE: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-17 Thread Thibouille
Do you know when this show does take place ? Thibouille -Message d'origine- De : William Robb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 17 juillet 2004 15:22 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Pentax is Dying - Original Message - From: Otis Wright Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Aparicio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying? Unique? What about the Hasselblad H1 - isn't that a 645 that will take both film and digital backs? Or the Mamiya 645? I guess if the rumored new digital Pentax 645 is a dedicated

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread El Gringo
: Re: Pentax is Dying? Well Gringo, given that nobody knows anything about it you make some big statements. My point about flexibility related to the Hasselblad and Mamiya systems ability to take film and digital backs. Antonio On 17 Jul 2004, at 18:43, El Gringo wrote: Antonio... It's more

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-17 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying Do you know when this show does take place ? I think the next one is April 1st, 2014 It's a joke. William Robb - Original Message - From: Otis Wright Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying And, when

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2004-07-17 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Not being inmate with the finances of Leica and Co. cant comment on whether they could have afforded to produce their own digital backs - sounds like they must really be in the financial doldrums if true. Personally it is a solution I like (apart from the cable). Lets hope that the 645 DSLR at

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-17 Thread Alan Chan
I read the patent for the 118/2.4 too last year but it doesn't make sense for Pentax ro release another expensive Limited lens consider the last one (FA31/1.8) hasn't sold that well. This is especially true when people are saving money for DSLRs and digital lenses now. 87/2.4 is just too close

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-17 Thread Alan Chan
The next installments of DSLR's from Pentax is perhaps the real thing developed to sell in quantities. It is possible considered Pentax used to be slow to upgrade their cameras. K series, (the 1st bayonet K mount system), MX (fully mechanical high end body when everyone was doing electronics),

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-17 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Alan Chan wrote: saving money for DSLRs and digital lenses now. 87/2.4 is just too close to FA77 and would be a mistake imho. Why? Was it a mistake to have 50s at 1.4, 1.7 and 2.8 at the same time? I thought macros (like the 87 Paal is talking about) are a different

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-17 Thread Thibouille
Why not an DA Limited series ? -Message d'origine- De : Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : samedi 17 juillet 2004 22:23 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying) I read the patent for the 118/2.4 too last year

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread Cotty
On 17/7/04, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, offered: What's a Cotty? Did he convert to Canonism? Fraid so. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _

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2004-07-17 Thread Bob W
Hi, I've heard that there will be wonderful things announced, though not necessarily shown, at the Ulan Bator show. Mongolia? Is this a first? Sounds liike it might be... Pentax announce hordes of new products there. The local people have a real 'khan do' attitude. I'm hoping to make it to

RE: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-17 Thread Alan Chan
Why not an DA Limited series ? I guess most DSLR buyers are looking for practical and affordable lenses, instead of luxury lenses like the Limited which really aim for manual focus buyers. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-17 Thread Herb Chong
like i said in other posts, what they say, what they promised last year, and what they are doing, seem to be three different things. Herb... - Original Message - From: Otis Wright rusty.@att.net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying

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2004-07-17 Thread Herb Chong
Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:08 AM Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying I think the *ist D main purpose is to provide Pentax with a DSLR (like the MD-S function) and thereby signalize to the market that the company will be a DSLR manufacturer and that the K

Re: Pentax is Dying

2004-07-17 Thread Herb Chong
the baby D is so far the only concrete move in that direction that has been formally announced. Herb... - Original Message - From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 9:19 AM Subject: Re: Pentax is Dying This could mean the Baby D

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2004-07-17 Thread El Gringo
Studdert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying? On 17 Jul 2004 at 12:08, El Gringo wrote: And Antonio, people do know things about it, for one, it's supposed to be out in early 2005. For another, the things I've said

RE: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread El Gringo
of powerful hardware. -el gringo -Original Message- From: David Miers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 8:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Pentax is Dying? I mean, how many owners of the *istD wish that they could put a roll of film in it as well? I don't own one

Re: Replacement for the FA 50 and 100 Macros? (Re: Pentax is Dying)

2004-07-17 Thread John Francis
Why not an DA Limited series ? I guess most DSLR buyers are looking for practical and affordable lenses, instead of luxury lenses like the Limited which really aim for manual focus buyers. Manual focus good - auto-focus bad. Manual focus good - auto-focus bad. Film-based SLR good - DSLR

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-17 Thread graywolf
Boy, do I have news for you. -- El Gringo wrote: will be like putting diesel fuel in the space shuttle, a serious waste of powerful hardware. -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-16 Thread Tom Reese
Joseph Tainter checked his mailbox everyday for four months for lenses that never came then wrote: I am frustrated beyond description about being unable to buy the lenses I want. I need them soon. Why is Pentax doing this? I am puzzled that few on the list seem to think this is something worth

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2004-07-16 Thread Steve Desjardins
Another: Pentax is doing fine as a company but is beginning to de-emphasize their photo division, or at least moving to a leaner photo division.. Possible explanations that come to mind: demand has suddenly skyrocked and Pentax can't ship fast enough (yeah right) labor troubles, political

Re: Pentax is Dying?

2004-07-16 Thread Antonio Aparicio
Or Pentax is about to bring out a whole new line of lenses and cameras and is depleting current stock in the run up... A. On 16 Jul 2004, at 15:37, Tom Reese wrote: Joseph Tainter checked his mailbox everyday for four months for lenses that never came then wrote: I am frustrated beyond

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2004-07-16 Thread alex wetmore
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004, Tom Reese wrote: demand has suddenly skyrocked and Pentax can't ship fast enough (yeah right) I think this might actually be the case for some of the popular lenses. I ordered my FA 35/2 in Feb or March and it showed up in April. During that time everyone showed it as

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