Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-09 Thread John Whittingham
Hi Godfrey > Sorry John, but what these popphoto tests show me are subjective > grades. Where are the MTF curves? The MTF is not expressible as a > single number with any intelligibility. This is one of the reasons I > gave up reading the magazines on a regular basis. Too little useful > infor

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sorry John, but what these popphoto tests show me are subjective grades. Where are the MTF curves? The MTF is not expressible as a single number with any intelligibility. This is one of the reasons I gave up reading the magazines on a regular basis. Too little useful information, too much adver

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-09 Thread John Whittingham
> What are those sources? What are the testing methodologies? Where > are the charts and specifications of the tests? ... Compiled from photographic publications such as Popular Photography etc. I would imagine they probably included Photodo MTF tests on earlier equipment. Cross-referenced the

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread John Whittingham
> I find these numbers mostly meaningless. The 24-90 is rated > "average", the 28-105 rated "good" ... sheesh, as if you can reduce > a lens' performance to one number and some meaningless one-word description. I'd have to agree that there's much more to lens performance than an MTF score and I

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread John Whittingham
> I find these numbers mostly meaningless. The 24-90 is rated > "average", the 28-105 rated "good" ... sheesh, as if you can reduce > a lens' performance to one number and some meaningless one-word description. I'd have to agree that there's much more to lens performance than an MTF score and I

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 8, 2005, at 4:01 PM, John Whittingham wrote: I find these numbers mostly meaningless. The 24-90 is rated "average", the 28-105 rated "good" ... sheesh, as if you can reduce a lens' performance to one number and some meaningless one-word description. I'd have to agree that there's much more

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 8, 2005, at 7:43 AM, John Whittingham wrote: I thought you liked the latest 28-105, am I wrong? I have read good comments here in the past. I was seriously considering the faster aperture 28-105 f/3.2-4.5? for some time with non rotating front element, until I saw the MTF tests amongst ot

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread Mark Cassino
From: "Don Sanderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise! Got a couple of lenses delivered the other day. An SMC Pentax-FA 28-90/3.5-5.6 I got for $20.00 because I always wanted to try one

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread James King
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:03:50 +, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The 28-** lenses seem to have gradually declined in quality since the 28-105 FA power zoom and it shows in MTF scores, build quality and other areas. The old power zoom had good contrast and sharpnes, reasonable buil

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread John Whittingham
ect: Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise! > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, John Whittingham wrote: > > > Ho Kostas > > > > I was seriously considering the faster aperture 28-105 f/3.2-4.5? for some > > time with non rotating front element, until I saw the MTF tests amongst othe

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread pnstenquist
I like the newest FA 28-105. It performs quite well on the *istD. The build isn't terrific, but I take good care of it, and it does the job. Paul > On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, John Whittingham wrote: > > > > What would you recommend from the current catalog for a "normal" > > > zoom? Of course, the 28-

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, John Whittingham wrote: > Ho Kostas > > I was seriously considering the faster aperture 28-105 f/3.2-4.5? for some > time with non rotating front element, until I saw the MTF tests amongst other > things and figured I'd live with the old power zoom and buy a constant > aperture

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread John Whittingham
Ho Kostas > I thought you liked the latest 28-105, am I wrong? I have read good > comments here in the past. I was seriously considering the faster aperture 28-105 f/3.2-4.5? for some time with non rotating front element, until I saw the MTF tests amongst other things and figured I'd live with

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread Kostas Kavoussanakis
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, John Whittingham wrote: > > What would you recommend from the current catalog for a "normal" > > zoom? Of course, the 28-70/2.8 looks nice, but my wallet says > > otherwise. Any thoughts on the 28-105/4-5.6 IF or the 24-90/3.5-4.5 AL? > > If the 28-70/2.8 is out of the equation

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread John Whittingham
> What would you recommend from the current catalog for a "normal" > zoom? Of course, the 28-70/2.8 looks nice, but my wallet says > otherwise. Any thoughts on the 28-105/4-5.6 IF or the 24-90/3.5-4.5 AL? If the 28-70/2.8 is out of the equation I think the 24-90 is probably the best of current

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread Scott Loveless
On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 11:03:50 +, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The 28-** lenses seem to have gradually declined in quality since the 28-105 > FA power zoom and it shows in MTF scores, build quality and other areas. > > The old power zoom had good contrast and sharpnes, reasonable

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-08 Thread John Whittingham
> The FA is one of the worst lenses I've ever mounted on a camera. > >From 28-50 it's bad, from 50-90 it just gets worse. > Contrast, sharpness, flare, focusing, build quality, all off the > charts.the bottom that is. > I had to give it two or three chances to focus on the right > thing half t

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-07 Thread pnstenquist
As far as I know, the Takumar K-mount lenses aren't necessarily optical dogs, they're just not multicoated. Just don't shoot at the sun. Paul > Got a couple of lenses delivered the other day. > > An SMC Pentax-FA 28-90/3.5-5.6 I got for $20.00 because > I always wanted to try one. > and > A Tak

RE: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-07 Thread Don Sanderson
> From: Scott Loveless [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:24 PM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise! > > > On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:06:50 -0600, Don Sanderson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The F

Re: SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-07 Thread Scott Loveless
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:06:50 -0600, Don Sanderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The FA is one of the worst lenses I've ever mounted on a camera. Agreed. I've got one of these, and it sucks (for lack of a better, or worse, word.) > From 28-50 it's bad, from 50-90 it just gets worse. > Contrast, shar

SMCP-FA versus Takumar-F? Surprise!

2005-03-07 Thread Don Sanderson
Got a couple of lenses delivered the other day. An SMC Pentax-FA 28-90/3.5-5.6 I got for $20.00 because I always wanted to try one. and A Takumar-F 28-80/3.5-4.5 that came with a broken SF-1 that I bought for $25.00 to steal the viewfinder off of. An nice new SMCP-FA versus a old cheapo Takumar-F