Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-21 Thread Thibouille
Usually, when I transfer data from my card to my PC, I do a move rather than a copy. Why? Easier. Never had a problem like it wouldn't work unless I format in the camera or whetever. So I move PEFs. Move means deleting which means writing as well (tiny little data but a write is a write). That

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-21 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes, void is an English word that can be used as a verb or noun. A void is an empty space, to void something is to zero or empty it. What you're doing with a move or delete on flash memory is almost invariably simply voiding the file entry in the FAT directory structure, not writing zeros

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-21 Thread Thibouille
Yes, void is an English word that can be used as a verb or noun. A void is an empty space, to void something is to zero or empty it. Good to know , thanks ! What you're doing with a move or delete on flash memory is almost invariably simply voiding the file entry in the FAT directory

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Cory Papenfuss
I wouldn't want more than 4GB on a single card, even with RAW files of 20GB or so (which is what I'm anticipating for the new camera). Err - make that 20 *MB* or so. Sheesh. I'll be disappointed in they don't add lossless compression on the RAW file format for the new camera. It's

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Brian Dipert Subject: Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR My reason for earlier asking about the storage card format of the upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR is that I just bought a new *ist D on clearance from Amazon for $1199, as a backup for my existing *ist D. Here's

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Mar 2006 at 6:50, William Robb wrote: SD cards are getting up in capacity now. I've not ever considered anything bigger than 1gb cards as being desirable. Too many eggs in one basket for my taste. The RAW eggs will be bigger than the *ist D's though. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Rob Studdert wrote on 20.03.06 15:17: The RAW eggs will be bigger than the *ist D's though. On D200 compressed RAW (NEF) takes approx. 15.8 MB - not that much more than RAWs from *istD ;-) I guess if new D would save RAWs in .DNG format these files would be even smaller than that. -- Balance

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Rob, I guess everyone has their preferences ;-)) At this point, even if the new D files were 20mb, I'd be happy with a 2GB card as a max That's still around 100 exposures or so - plenty on a single card as far as I'm concerned. While I can't say I'd ~never~ use a 4GB card, I don't think it

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Mark Roberts
Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Rob Studdert wrote on 20.03.06 15:17: The RAW eggs will be bigger than the *ist D's though. On D200 compressed RAW (NEF) takes approx. 15.8 MB - not that much more than RAWs from *istD ;-) I guess if new D would save RAWs in .DNG format these files would be even

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Rob Studdert
On 20 Mar 2006 at 10:31, Mark Roberts wrote: Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: On D200 compressed RAW (NEF) takes approx. 15.8 MB - not that much more than RAWs from *istD ;-) I guess if new D would save RAWs in .DNG format these files would be even smaller than that. Even with the ist-D RAW

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
Mark Roberts wrote on 20.03.06 16:31: Even with the ist-D RAW files, a 2 Gig card is my standard now. Mine too, and actually Sandisk Ultra II SD 2GB is now a bit cheaper in Poland than the same as CF ;-) -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 19, 2006, at 8:53 PM, Brian Dipert wrote: My reason for earlier asking about the storage card format of the upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR is that I just bought a new *ist D on clearance from Amazon for $1199, as a backup for my existing *ist D. Here's where I'm torn: 1) 10 Mpixel

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Thibouille
Microdrives are only available in CF form factor, but their capacity/price and speed advantage has been compromised by recent flash developments, while their disadvantages in terms of mechanical fragility and power consumption have not changed. Very true but keep in mind that if long term is

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Thibouille wrote: Microdrives are only available in CF form factor, but their capacity/price and speed advantage has been compromised by recent flash developments, while their disadvantages in terms of mechanical fragility and power consumption have not changed.

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Thibouille wrote: Microdrives are only available in CF form factor, but their capacity/price and speed advantage has been compromised by recent flash developments, while their disadvantages in terms of mechanical fragility and power consumption have not changed.

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Thibouille
Which depends on your use. Don't forget you have to empty the cards too. But I agree a normal user shouldn't worry. Now, we aren't here, normal users, so we still should know about that. Don't forget an MTBF is just that ... an MTBF. Regards ;) -- Thibouille

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 20, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Thibouille wrote: Which depends on your use. Don't forget you have to empty the cards too. Not sure I understand. Reading from flash memory does not affect the life of the components as the energy involved is very small compared to writing, all you're doing

Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Brian Dipert
Judging from the photos here: www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/ I'm guesstimating the upcoming (??) 10 Mpixel DSLR from Pentax/Samsung will take SD cards, NOT CompactFlash cards (and, therefore, not MicroDrives). Anyone concur/disagree? Regards

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Brian Dipert Subject: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR Judging from the photos here: www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/ I'm guesstimating the upcoming (??) 10 Mpixel DSLR from Pentax/Samsung will take SD cards, NOT CompactFlash cards (and, therefore

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
That's the consensus opinion. It'll work. Paul On Mar 19, 2006, at 7:59 PM, Brian Dipert wrote: Judging from the photos here: www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/ I'm guesstimating the upcoming (??) 10 Mpixel DSLR from Pentax/Samsung will take SD cards, NOT CompactFlash cards

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/19/06 7:59 PM, Brian Dipert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guesstimating the upcoming (??) 10 Mpixel DSLR from Pentax/Samsung will take SD cards, NOT CompactFlash cards (and, therefore, not MicroDrives). That's what most of the folks in Japan concluded. Works for me :-). Ken

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mar 19, 2006, at 4:59 PM, Brian Dipert wrote: Judging from the photos here: www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/ I'm guesstimating the upcoming (??) 10 Mpixel DSLR from Pentax/ Samsung will take SD cards, NOT CompactFlash cards (and, therefore, not MicroDrives). Anyone

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Joseph Tainter
I have 9 GB of CF cards, and am seriously peeved at Pentax for treating those of us who stepped forward and bought the *ist D in this way. Pentax could have designed the camera to take both CF and SD. Joe

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have a lot of CF cards. They will suffice for my backup camera. Not a problem. Paul On Mar 19, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: I have 9 GB of CF cards, and am seriously peeved at Pentax for treating those of us who stepped forward and bought the *ist D in this way. Pentax could

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread japilado
the photos here: www.dpreview.com/articles/pma2006/Pentax/ I'm guesstimating the upcoming (??) 10 Mpixel DSLR from Pentax/Samsung will take SD cards, NOT CompactFlash cards (and, therefore, not MicroDrives). Anyone concur/disagree? Regards, == Brian Dipert

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Mar 19, 2006, at 10:00 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: I have 9 GB of CF cards, and am seriously peeved at Pentax for treating those of us who stepped forward and bought the *ist D in this way. Maybe Pentax doesn't think you're going to throw away your *ist D? If you sell your D when you

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Storage cards are a commodity. What you paid $200 for last year is worth $60 new today, less really since they're used now. They'll be worth less next year too. If you didn't get your $200 value out of them already, well, that's not Pentax' fault. Whatever you have isn't worth what you

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread K.Takeshita
On 3/19/06 10:00 PM, Joseph Tainter, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax could have designed the camera to take both CF and SD. Maybe, but I shiver every time I peep into the CF card slot with all the forest of thin gold pins sticking up. The CF slot of my G3 suddenly crushed just a couple of pins

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 Mar 2006 at 20:00, Joseph Tainter wrote: I have 9 GB of CF cards, and am seriously peeved at Pentax for treating those of us who stepped forward and bought the *ist D in this way. Pentax could have designed the camera to take both CF and SD. No point saying that here unless you get

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Brian Dipert
My reason for earlier asking about the storage card format of the upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR is that I just bought a new *ist D on clearance from Amazon for $1199, as a backup for my existing *ist D. Here's where I'm torn: 1) 10 Mpixel resolution will certainly be helpful when doing extreme

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Mishka
tax in NYC) on top of the camera price tag. i wouldn't pay more for either sd or cf storage, unless i already had 10GB worth of it. best, mishka On 3/19/06, Brian Dipert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My reason for earlier asking about the storage card format of the upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR is that I

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! buy an imagetank, or an ipod, or something like that and stop worrying about CF vs SD vs whatever. much more cost effective too. 1GB gard in either format will set you off by about $50-60 these days. buy two, and swap them as needed -- that's about $120 (or 10% of *istd price, basically,

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread John Francis
. There are, supposedly, some differences in the default settings for JPEG conversion - I haven't been able to confirm this myself. On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 08:53:09PM -0800, Brian Dipert wrote: My reason for earlier asking about the storage card format of the upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR is that I just

Re: Upcoming 10 Mpixel DSLR

2006-03-19 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 01:02:40AM -0500, John Francis wrote: I wouldn't want more than 4GB on a single card, even with RAW files of 20GB or so (which is what I'm anticipating for the new camera). Err - make that 20 *MB* or so. Sheesh.