On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 AM, William Robb wrote:
There is no justification for refusing to share the road, but that is a two
way street, so to speak. A cyclist who is operating his vehicle in such a way
as to be a danger to others deserves some consequences.
A danger to others? Who exactly
On 5/23/10, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
You'd kill someone to avoid a bit of hassle? What the fuck kind of
misguided ethics do you live by? Would you then return your vehicle to the
dealer for a refund?
David,
Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at
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From: David Mann
Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
On May 23, 2010, at 3:30 AM, William Robb wrote:
There is no justification for refusing to share the road, but that is a
two way street, so to speak. A cyclist who is
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From: Tom C
Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at
least tell the dealer how the vehicle was damaged. ;-) :-)))
And I'd be treating it as an insurance
On 5/23/2010 12:01 PM, William Robb wrote:
- Original Message - From: Tom C
Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely,
not
Cut Bill a little slack would you. From what I read, he would at
least tell the dealer how the vehicle was damaged. ;-) :-)))
On May 22, 2010, at 5:47 AM, William Robb wrote:
Consequently, we also have a lot of car/ bicycle accidents where the car
driver simply refuses to give up his right of way to an errant cyclist and
takes him out instead.
That is absolutely disgusting. There's no justification for that kind
[...]
I put on a helmet when it rains. It keeps the hood of my
rain jacket on my head.
That increases the chance of you having an accident. When you're wearing a
hood and turn round to see if there are any juggernauts bearing down on you,
the hood obscures most of your vision. To get it
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM, John Sessoms
jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
snip
Most cyclists are not idiots. It's just the idiots who get all the
attention.
Same with drivers and pedestrians. Most are kind and
courteous. It's the minority of fools that we all see and hear about.
Such studies have been done, of course. But all they can
measure is
the accident rate in the jurisdiction; they can't compare
the accident
rate with helmets to the rate for the same area without helmet use.
But they can.
Studies from a period before mandatory helmet wearing
It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly)
lower rate
of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting
population; it's quite plausible that the sort of person
who elects to
wear a helmet is less likely to engage in risky activities,
and thus
2010/5/22 Bob W p...@web-options.com:
[...]
I put on a helmet when it rains. It keeps the hood of my
rain jacket on my head.
I have a reflective GoreTex helmet cover, keeps rain and wind out and
surface friction is enough to hold a Petzl TacTikka XP LED headlamp
which can be used as both a
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 01:38:51PM -0400, John Sessoms wrote:
From: Christian Skofteland
It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today). The
Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and
bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to
Bob W wrote:
Drivers in the UK are generally fairly considerate towards cyclists. Not as
good as the French, but not bad.
And the BBC is normally fairly even-handed in its treatment of most
subjects.
But have a look at this video for an extreme anti-bike bias. It beggars
belief:
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From: David Mann
Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
On May 22, 2010, at 5:47 AM, William Robb wrote:
Consequently, we also have a lot of car/ bicycle accidents where the car
driver simply refuses to give up his right of
I've been on the receiving end several times in one ride, in
fact. I live in a fairly rural area and a lot of the people,
especially 20-something males, find it sporting to brush as
close to a cyclist as possible, yell obsenities, throw
objects (cans, bottles, etc) from their vehicles,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UiWji4osR0feature=player_embedded
Can't argue about the gobbiness. But the incident is
interesting. He seems to come out of his lane much further
into the road, far earlier than I would expect.
I think he has come out at the right time, and in the
Bob W wrote:
the driver deliberately knocked him off
Far too big a step, not just in this scenario but many others. No doubt
it does happen but you couldn't get away with it more than two or three
times.
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On 2010-05-21 09:45 , Christian Skofteland wrote:
It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today).
i didn't know there was a national day; Denver's bike to work day is 23
June this year
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Drivers in the UK are generally fairly considerate towards cyclists. Not as
good as the French, but not bad.
And the BBC is normally fairly even-handed in its treatment of most
subjects.
But have a look at this video for an extreme anti-bike bias. It beggars
belief:
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 04:02:08PM +0100, Bob W wrote:
Drivers in the UK are generally fairly considerate towards cyclists. Not as
good as the French, but not bad.
And the BBC is normally fairly even-handed in its treatment of most
subjects.
But have a look at this video for an extreme
From: Christian Skofteland
It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today). The
Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and
bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to
the bikers blowing through red lights and stop signs argument but
- Original Message -
From: John Sessoms
Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
From: Christian Skofteland
It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today). The
Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and
bikes
On 5/21/2010 10:47 AM, William Robb wrote:
I don't know what the bike laws are in your part of the world, but here
a bicycle is considered to be a motor vehicle, and as such is required
to be operated in accordance with local laws.
Same here.
We have such a huge problem here with cyclists
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From: Larry Colen
Subject: Re: VeryOT: no anti-bike bias here at all, oh no, absolutely, not
The problem is that often times the safest thing to do on a bicycle is not
to come to a complete stop, but to slow down enough to check for traffic,
and come to a
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:38 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
From: Christian Skofteland
It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today). The
Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and
bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept
From: William Robb
From: John Sessoms
From: Christian Skofteland
It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today). The
Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and
bikes that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to
the bikers blowing
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
As I said before, bad attitude, scoff-law cyclists on streets, roads and
highways are a self correcting problem. The ones who live, learn.
The ones who won't learn ...
But they forget almost immediately.
Tom C.
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Friday, May 21, 2010, 12:54:54 PM, you wrote:
TC On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
As I said before, bad attitude, scoff-law cyclists on streets, roads and
highways are a self correcting problem. The ones who live, learn.
The ones who won't learn ...
Is this the kind of humor you teach your kids at home? ;-)
Tom
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
Friday, May 21, 2010, 12:54:54 PM, you wrote:
TC On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
As I said before, bad
On 5/21/2010 12:57 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
Friday, May 21, 2010, 12:54:54 PM, you wrote:
TC On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:42 PM, John Sessomsjsessoms...@nc.rr.com
wrote:
As I said before, bad attitude, scoff-law cyclists on streets, roads and
highways are a self correcting problem. The ones
I hadn't thought about teaching them humor...will have to think about
that.
I am an avid cyclist and ride about 15 miles each day. I drag my
kids along as often as I can get them to. I do always wear a helmet
and require them to as well.
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Best regards,
Bruce
Friday, May 21, 2010, 1:00:01
Just yanking your chain. Helmets are certainly smart.
How'd we survive?
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
I hadn't thought about teaching them humor...will have to think about
that.
I am an avid cyclist and ride about 15 miles each day. I drag my
I don't think it's as clear-cut as some folks would have you beleive.
Helmets do seem to prevent (or at least reduce) one class of injury.
But as far as I can see there are some pretty credible studies that
suggest there is no causative link, or even correlation, between
wearing helmets and
On 22/05/2010, Christian Skofteland pterali...@aim.com wrote:
It's Bike to work Week in the US (Bike to work day was today). The
Washington Post had an article about the conflicts between cars and bikes
that was slanted against bikes. The writer kept going back to the bikers
blowing
On 22/05/2010, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) lower
rate of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting
population; it's quite plausible that the sort of person who elects
to wear a helmet is less likely to
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 11:30:57AM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote:
On 22/05/2010, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) lower
rate of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting
population; it's quite plausible that the
On 22 May 2010 12:00, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
Such studies have been done, of course. But all they can measure is the
accident rate in the jurisdiction; they can't compare the accident rate
with helmets to the rate for the same area without helmet use.
But they can.
Studies
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
snip
Most cyclists are not idiots. It's just the idiots who get all the
attention.
Same with drivers and pedestrians. Most are kind and courteous. It's
the minority of fools that we all see and hear about.
cheers,
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:53 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:
It's tempting to point to statistics that show a (slightly) lower
rate of injury amongst helmet wearers. But this is a self-selecting
population; it's quite plausible that the sort of person who elects
to wear a helmet is
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