On 11/10/2010 11:27 AM, eckinator wrote:
doesn't that make you a royalty groupie though?
No, it does not. I do like to be as precise as possible in my addressing
of people.
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2010/11/10 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
I'm a group of loners
It is only appropriate then that from now on I shall address you in Your
Groupness and respective and respectable Royal You.
doesn't that make you a royalty groupie though?
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On 9/11/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
There are two reasons people run marathons:
To compete (even against oneself and one's previous best time)
To pretend to compete (to be able to tell friends I ran a marathon!)
You forgot the third reason:
To think about it for one nanosecond
On 9/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Bob, if you're not careful I will come over there and put a bat up your
nightdress.
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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:42:05PM +, Cotty wrote:
On 9/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Bob, if you're not careful I will come over there and put a bat up your
nightdress.
On 10/11/10, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:42:05PM +, Cotty wrote:
On 9/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Bob, if you're not careful I will come
John Francis wrote:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:42:05PM +, Cotty wrote:
On 9/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Bob, if you're not careful I will come over there and put a bat up your
Cotty wrote:
On 10/11/10, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed:
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 05:42:05PM +, Cotty wrote:
On 9/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Bob, if you're not
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Because without the sanctioning body anyone could just say I ran a
marathon in 2:10 yesterday
Peh! I just ran one in 2:08 last week...
;-)
cheers,
frank
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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:00 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Because without the sanctioning body anyone could just
On 10/11/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
Damn, I wasn't fast enough!
Great minds ;-)
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Great?
On 11/10/2010 2:21 PM, Cotty wrote:
On 10/11/10, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
Damn, I wasn't fast enough!
Great minds ;-)
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On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
On 9/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed:
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Bob, if you're not careful I will come over there and
That could be it. But why do we need some sanctioning body to recognize
it?
There are running clubs, bicycle clubs, swimming clubs, etc. that are
populated by people who will never compete, but they'll do it for the
camaraderie or the exercise or whatever. Then, some of them will train
On Nov 9, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:
I've been thinking about crowds, or rather the reasons people want to
do things with other people. This stems from looking into events such
as marathons. (I actually have no interest in running a marathon, but
I'm going to use it as an
Scott, are you on your way to reconsideration perhaps?
2010/11/9 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com:
O hai! This is way off topic and concerns the reasons people feel
compelled to do things in a group. The PDML is such an eclectic
group, though, I figured someone would know something about
Scott Loveless wrote:
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
Some people are masochists, some are highly competitive alphas. A few are
both.
Then there are sheep. And also lemmings.
I've participated in organised mountain bike races. Sure, I could have
ridden
Boris,
The way I was taught about the 'Need for Affiliation' it was a social thing.
It is most important for these people to have friends and fit-in at work.
To have the rest of your co-workers give you affirmation.
Those driven by a 'Need for Achievement' want to get things done.
They are
Scott Loveless wrote:
That could be it. But why do we need some sanctioning body to
recognize it?
Because without the sanctioning body anyone could just say I ran a
marathon in 2:10 yesterday
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Doug Franklin wrote:
On 2010-11-08 22:15, Scott Loveless wrote:
I initially started looking for explanations with search terms like
crowd psychology, but that's something different. So what I'm
asking for is the psychological terminology that applies to this
behavior. I'd like to read more
Scott Loveless wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Scott Loveless wrote:
That could be it. But why do we need some sanctioning body to
recognize it?
Because without the sanctioning body anyone could just say I ran a
marathon in 2:10 yesterday
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
O hai! This is way off topic and concerns the reasons people feel
compelled to do things in a group. The PDML is such an eclectic
group, though, I figured someone would know something about it. Worst
case scenario -
Hmmm, I wasn't taught. I was taught about algorithm complexity and
direct acyclic graphs, but not need for affiliation... Sorry. We may
have to work out the common platform... err... language first.
On 11/9/2010 5:16 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
The way I was taught about the 'Need for
Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
So what you're really asking is why do people need to perform actions
that contribute to their sense of self-esteem?
Not necessarily. I'm more interested in why people decide to
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:49 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Scott Loveless wrote:
That could be it. But why do we need some sanctioning body to
recognize it?
Because without the sanctioning body anyone could just say I ran a
marathon in 2:10 yesterday
That seems so f'ing
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
So what you're really asking is why do people need to perform actions
that contribute to their sense of self-esteem?
Boris,
I started my career working with engineers, but moved away from it.
I always connected best with quantitative, analytical people.
Achievement people can get satisfaction from the team accomplishing the goal.
Power people can be sneaky, conniving bastards trying to manipulate
the team toward
I prefer disorganized groups, that's why I'm here.
On 11/9/2010 10:02 AM, Scott Loveless wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Robertsm...@robertstech.com wrote:
So what you're really asking is why do people need to perform actions
that contribute to their sense of self-esteem?
Not
I prefer disorganized groups, that's why I'm here.
YO - Mark !
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From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Way, way OT - crowds and events
I prefer disorganized groups, that's why
Church services, lodge meetings, funerals, elections,
fraternity/sorority hazings, swearing in ceremonies, graduations, sure
we have...
On 11/9/2010 11:20 AM, John Sessoms wrote:
Don't think that because we've outgrown the tribe, we've outgrown the
need for tribal rituals.
They're a
Don't forget angry mobs. (my favorite)
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:29 AM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Church services, lodge meetings, funerals, elections, fraternity/sorority
hazings, swearing in ceremonies, graduations, sure we have...
On 11/9/2010 11:20 AM, John Sessoms
From: Mark Roberts
Scott Loveless wrote:
That could be it. But why do we need some sanctioning body to
recognize it?
Because without the sanctioning body anyone could just say I ran a
marathon in 2:10 yesterday
Hmmm? That's about the right time for me ... although, technically, in
my
On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 10:02:04AM -0500, Scott Loveless wrote:
Not necessarily. I'm more interested in why people decide to do those
things in large, organized groups. What makes the official
recognition so important to the people who participate, as opposed to
just going out and doing it
On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 11:54:02PM -0500, Scott Loveless wrote:
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Need for Achievement. Absolutely! 'I can do this!' Set goals then
achieve them.
Right. But why is an organized event with a gazillion other
Like the way we're all ganging up on you now. ;-p
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 10:36 AM, m...@robertstech.com wrote:
Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Roberts
Human beings are social animals and the sense of community is a source
of encouragement for many. Of course, this is only true in general
and may not apply to everyone, although in this case I think you might
be the outlier. No offense, I'm a loner as well.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 11:07 AM,
Human beings are social animals and the sense of community is a source of
encouragement for many. Of course, this is only true in general and may
not
apply to everyone, although in this case I think you might be the outlier.
No
offense, I'm a loner as well.
we're a group of loners.
B
Boris,
I think Affirmation and Affiliation with others are the same motivation.
Regards, Bob S.
I don't think so, Bob. Affiliation is what one does towards the group -
they
make themselves the part of the group. The affirmation is the other way
around, when the group pats in the back
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
Human beings are social animals and the sense of community is a source of
encouragement for many. Of course, this is only true in general and may
not
apply to everyone, although in this case I think you might be the outlier.
Bob W,
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Regards, Bob S.
Really? The thought keeps me awake at night.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
That could be it. But why do we need some sanctioning body to
(I need to remember this crap I'm spouting, it could be useful in job
interviews.)
you should write it down.
B
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Don't think that because we've outgrown the tribe, we've outgrown the
need for tribal rituals.
They're a hold-over whose purpose may no longer be clear; vestigial
organs of a human society ... like the vermiform appendix.
From: Scott Loveless
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Sessoms
Boris,
I think Affirmation and Affiliation with others are the same motivation.
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Bob, I think you're forgetting one more need.
Need for peer Affirmation. Look, I have changed my mind, I am buying K-5
2010/11/9 John Francis jo...@panix.com:
Why put your pictures (or your blog) up where other people can see them?
Why post your opinions to internet discussion groups or mailing lists?
generativity or the desire for it could be one reason
ecke
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Human beings are social animals and the sense of community is a
source of encouragement for many. Of course, this is only true in
general and may
not
apply to everyone, although in this case I think you might be the
outlier.
No
offense, I'm a loner as well.
we're a group of
On 11/9/2010 5:41 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Boris,
I started my career working with engineers, but moved away from it.
I always connected best with quantitative, analytical people.
Achievement people can get satisfaction from the team accomplishing the goal.
Power people can be sneaky, conniving
Bob W,
Cotty does synchronized swimming?
I can't imagine him in one of those cute little caps!
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
That could be it. But why do we need some sanctioning body to recognize
it?
There are running clubs, bicycle clubs,
On 11/9/2010 4:39 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Boris,
I think Affirmation and Affiliation with others are the same motivation.
Regards, Bob S.
I don't think so, Bob. Affiliation is what one does towards the group -
they make themselves the part of the group. The affirmation is the other
way
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
So what you're really asking is why do people need to perform actions
that contribute to their sense of self-esteem?
Not necessarily. I'm more interested in why people decide to do those
things in large, organized groups.
On 11/9/2010 5:04 PM, Bob W wrote:
Human beings are social animals and the sense of community is a
source of encouragement for many. Of course, this is only true in
general and may
not
apply to everyone, although in this case I think you might be the
outlier.
No
offense, I'm a loner as
Mark,
You are an accomplished runner, but a bit harsh with that 'pretend' comment.
I watched a young man, 6'2 and a little pudgy with low self-confidence change.
He trained and ran 3 or 4 marathons.
He lost a little weight but never became 'cross country runner' thin,
but he did gain a lot of
On 11/10/2010 12:04 AM, Bob W wrote:
I'm a group of loners
B
It is only appropriate then that from now on I shall address you in
Your Groupness and respective and respectable Royal You.
B
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O hai! This is way off topic and concerns the reasons people feel
compelled to do things in a group. The PDML is such an eclectic
group, though, I figured someone would know something about it. Worst
case scenario - half of you tell me to shut up and the other half gets
into a flame war. g
On Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:15:37 -0500
Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
O hai! This is way off topic and concerns the reasons people feel
compelled to do things in a group. The PDML is such an eclectic
group, though, I figured someone would know something about it. Worst
case scenario
Some people are masochists, some are highly competitive alphas. A few are both.
Then there are sheep. And also lemmings.
I've participated in organised mountain bike races. Sure, I could have
ridden those course without the other participants at any other time,
but I never pushed myself as hard
On 2010-11-08 22:15, Scott Loveless wrote:
I initially started looking for explanations with search terms like
crowd psychology, but that's something different. So what I'm
asking for is the psychological terminology that applies to this
behavior. I'd like to read more about it, but I'm
On 2010-11-08 22:43, Miserere wrote:
I've participated in organised mountain bike races. Sure, I could have
ridden those course without the other participants at any other time,
but I never pushed myself as hard as when I was racing. The pursuit
of the breaking point is what I used to call it. I
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
Some people are masochists, some are highly competitive alphas. A few are
both.
Then there are sheep. And also lemmings.
I've participated in organised mountain bike races. Sure, I could have
ridden those course without
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Doug Franklin
jehosep...@mindspring.com wrote:
On 2010-11-08 22:43, Miserere wrote:
I've participated in organised mountain bike races. Sure, I could have
ridden those course without the other participants at any other time,
but I never pushed myself as hard
Basic human psychology/motivations...
Need for Power. Probably doesn't play to much in these situations.
Need for Achievement. Absolutely! 'I can do this!' Set goals then
achieve them.
Need for Affiliation. Look at all the similar people I meet and can
become affiliated with.
Scott, I think
On 2010-11-08 23:22, Scott Loveless wrote:
The difference is that you can't, at least not legally, outside of
Italyg, drive like that on public roads.
Yeah, that was sort of my (implicit) point. If I could legally and
safely drive that fast elsewhere, I would. But I can't, so I'm there
Tribal Bonding Rituals
From: Scott Loveless
O hai! This is way off topic and concerns the reasons people feel
compelled to do things in a group. The PDML is such an eclectic
group, though, I figured someone would know something about it. Worst
case scenario - half of you tell me to shut up
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Need for Achievement. Absolutely! 'I can do this!' Set goals then
achieve them.
Right. But why is an organized event with a gazillion other people
the motivator?
Need for Affiliation. Look at all the similar
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Tribal Bonding Rituals
That's not it. The New York marathon isn't a tribe. It's a small
city moving through a large city. If you had, say, a group of New
Balance 990 enthusiasts who got together to run long distances
as
running in an organized event, there was no other way I could run with
others. In general. about 95% of my running was by myself.
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From: Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com
Subject: Way, way OT - crowds
Bob, I think you're forgetting one more need.
Need for peer Affirmation. Look, I have changed my mind, I am buying K-5
after all, kind of sentiment.
Boris
On 11/9/2010 6:30 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Basic human psychology/motivations...
Need for Power. Probably doesn't play to much in these
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