Maybe kill yourself and have someone take shots of it
and post them to the internet?
--- Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I said I was guilty and promised to stop. What more
do you want me to do?
Unsubscribe?
Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:
Sorry, Dan, but it is a Pentax
I do not follow this list 24x7. I was responding to an earlier post of yours. You do
not need to do anything more.
BR
-Original Message-
From: Daniel J. Matyola [mailto:djm;stanleypmlaw.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT Non Pentax
Thanks for entering the discussion. Data is data,
with no connection to reality other than in the
possibility of a connection of appearances.
--- Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another example of confused thought.
(data is anonymous, so it isn't real. What a
steaming
I'm not arguing about the sworn statement part. When
accompanied by a sworn statement, it possesses
different value in courts is what I am saying.
I'm not saying one is inadmissable, or one is always
better, or one cannot be used without sworn statement,
or ... ... ... I'm just saying they are
As a trial attorney, I strongly disagree with your statement of the law.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
I'm not arguing about the sworn statement part. When
accompanied by a sworn statement, it possesses
different value in courts is what I am saying.
I'm not saying one is inadmissable, or one is
Nice Comment.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
Maybe kill yourself and have someone take shots of it
and post them to the internet?
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not arguing about the sworn statement part. When
accompanied by a sworn statement, it possesses
different value in courts is what I am saying.
they have identically the same value when accompanied by the sworn
statement, that of the trust in
-- Ryan Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To All Who May Be Interested,
Ok, so here is my list.
I only have 3 bodies and 15 lenses, but I am still
very happy with my collection, I don't have much
redundant glass.
Cameras:
Pentax MZ-S , PZ-1p and a Super Program.
Primes:
On Wednesday, October 23, 2002, at 09:00 AM, Ryan Charron wrote:
Jupiter 85mm f2 (with custom permanent locking k
mount)
Hi Ryan,
Could you give the specifics on this, please?
Dan Scott
Just because you think it so doesn't make it so. Or
perhaps it does (in your reality).
--- Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Message text written by
INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm not arguing about the sworn statement part.
When
accompanied by a sworn statement, it possesses
different
Where was the part about the law?
--- Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a trial attorney, I strongly disagree with your
statement of the law.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
I'm not arguing about the sworn statement part.
When
accompanied by a sworn statement, it possesses
On 23 Oct 2002 at 6:02, Chaso DeChaso wrote:
This is not a seminal point about whether one has a
relationship to reality more than the other. However,
wet photographs are valued differently than digital
photographs in courts.
Yeah, eventually wet photos will be usurped by digital photos
This topic is being debated tremendously in legal
circles with nothing approaching uncontested or
universal agreement on the matter...which is odd
considering the two media are viewed in precisely the
same way according to so many on this list. Even if
you love digital images, at least understand
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 03:36 PM, Delano Mireles wrote:
Hi Dan,
I'm not sure how cheap is cheap but the Olympus Stylus Epic is a great
camera. My five year old can hold it comfortably in his hands and
take a
picture. We also have a digital (don't tell anyone) Olympus that he
Dr E D F Williams wrote:
My Dear Keith,
You answered for William.
For the last twenty years or so, after leaving the academic world, I have
been writing for a living. As far as I know those who read my stuff don't
get the wrong idea. The people who employ me to write, (Nokia is one)
On 23 Oct 2002 at 7:24, Chaso DeChaso wrote:
This topic is being debated tremendously in legal
circles with nothing approaching uncontested or
universal agreement on the matter...which is odd
considering the two media are viewed in precisely the
same way according to so many on this list.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 03:54 PM, Christian Skofteland wrote:
Dan;
Can he use the viewfinders ok? My 6 year old daughter has major issues
with
PS viewfinders. She does great with the Optio330 by using the LCD.
She
also loves the optio for instant gratification and movie function.
On Tuesday, October 22, 2002, at 04:11 PM, James Fellows wrote:
My wife picked up a Polaroid Digital Camera for my son's 5th birthday.
It
has very low dpi but it works for him. It cost about $20.00 US for the
camera and it came with some basic software. You will save a fortune on
film the
Not to be obstreperous or contentious, but...
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 23 Oct 2002 at 6:02, Chaso DeChaso wrote:
This is not a seminal point about whether one has a
relationship to reality more than the other. However,
wet photographs are valued differently than digital
photographs in
That it is easier is sometimes a recommendation against it. I love how all
of a sudden in the last ten years people suddenly find it so difficult to
live without smiley faces in their writing and find all sorts of
justification for how necessary they.
easier to simply append a textual smile!
And so...? (Make a conclusion, if you will.)
--- Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 23 Oct 2002 at 7:24, Chaso DeChaso wrote:
This topic is being debated tremendously in legal
circles with nothing approaching uncontested or
universal agreement on the matter...which is odd
The list gets OT from time to time and there are as
many arguments about what constitutes OT as there is
OT material. I'm bored by printer question and find
them OT but I've long since complained about them.
I've not even contributed to this list's ponderous
volume in months, unlike some people.
I admit I am usually suspicious of change, particularly when it comes about
as rapidly as these internet conventions and is advocated mainly by a
category of people with perhaps the least imaginable understanding of what
is lost when established ways of doing things are altered.
Debates
Please cite your authority for the proposition that digital photographs
are treated differently under the law than traditional photographs.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
This topic is being debated tremendously in legal
circles with nothing approaching uncontested or
universal agreement on the
It's not the sort of thing one generally makes jokes about, at least not
on a civilized forum like this one.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
You know of course that I was serious, right? No one
could be joking about anything unless there is a
smiley face at the end of the statement, right? - it's
Pål,
I had the same needs as you. A while back, I bought the Epson 2450
hoping that it would do the job scanning my MF stuff. The price was
reasonable compared to the regular MF film scanners. My experience
with it was a bit mixed. I wasn't getting the kind of quality out of
the scans that I
I agree that the seminal issue is how hard it is - but what does it say
about an artist if his choice of medium is entirely contained in it being
the least difficult? The medium choice in my opinion should be best, not
easiest. But that's just me, of course. That is a belief that not all
Can I cite coursework? The problem is I don't know a
reference where the issue has been settled - and
herein lies the non-existence of a standard.
--- Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please cite your authority for the proposition that
digital photographs
are treated differently
Hi Arnold
1. FA20-35/f4 AL
2. FA28-105/ older black one
3. FA24-90/f3.5-4.5 IFAL
Vic
Pål,
My experience is that the Epsons give the absolute best quality. I
have owned 3 in the past. There is a caveat with them, however. The
heads are not user replaceable. If you get a bad clog (can happen and
did to me on 2 different printers), you have to send them in for
service. That
Your reply makes no sense to me at all.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
Can I cite coursework? The problem is I don't know a
reference where the issue has been settled - and
herein lies the non-existence of a standard.
But they are not both resultant from light falling on
real objects. Film is a real object. When a
computer translates something into data it is no
longer a real object but anonymous data.
It is always a real object in either case. In both cases, photons have
fallen on a physical object and
er...
with 15 images per roll, that is.
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax 645N/NII frame spacing
Hi. Pål.
Measurements from 2 films taken with my 645NII:
Total variation:
Sorry. Let me research it a bit and get back to you.
I don't have any actual citations yet is what I was
saying - and then I was using the word citations in
a poetic sense below when refering to coursework.
Just now I have emailed a co-associate about it and
we'll look for some references if
Does the NII get 15 images per roll of 120? Did something change
between the N and NII in this respect?
--
Thomas Van Veen Photography
www.bigdayphoto.com
301-758-3085
-Original Message-
From: Jostein [mailto:pentax;oksne.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:19 PM
To: [EMAIL
Too bad that you've had to make a compromised choice,
but I understand.
--- Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Message text written by
INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Until very recently photorealistic painting would
have given you far more
control over content creation than photography - did
At 05:41 PM 10/23/02 +0200, you wrote:
I am considering buying a photo quality printer. I'm a total novice in
these matters so I need advice. Needless to say, I want best quality
possible at the lower possible price. Any suggestions?
Pål
The Epson 2200 (aka 2100 outside the US) is the best
Tom wrote:
Does the NII get 15 images per roll of 120? Did something change
between the N and NII in this respect?
Yep. Thats what I've been suspecting all the time. Pentax doubled the frame spacing
from the 645N to the NII model because there was a problem. I've measured out that the
bend
-Original Message-
From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen;sensewave.com]
Now it's only to get my camera adjusted to NII specification.
You mean have your N adjusted so it gets about 10mm between frames?
Did your tech guy say he could do this?
tv
Gotcha, no death jokes. Too scary.
--- Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not the sort of thing one generally makes jokes
about, at least not
on a civilized forum like this one.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
You know of course that I was serious, right? No
one
could be joking
Sure, go right ahead.
Ken Waller
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 09:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Arnold Stark
wrote:
Hi Kenneth,
I have a 28-80mm Pentax F Macro Zoom that has seen
extensive use for the last
14 years. Built like a tank. Acceptable to great
image quality. I especially
like the close up
My wife uses a Canon S800 with 6 colors. The cartridges can be replaced everyone
without paying for a new head. Want to say: several printers use a combined head +
cartridge (hp for example) so you pay every time for both. Well, you have a perfct
condition then but usually the heads can be
All of these are excellent points (and beautifully
stated, by the way) but most can also be applied to
seeing - to how our eyes receive, alter, etc. what is
around us. Consequently, if such as the below are the
key points of argument, then one must also begin an
argument that what you see can
Too rude.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
Gotcha, no death jokes. Too scary.
Hi Pl,
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:41:38 +0200, Pl Jensen wrote:
I am considering buying a photo quality printer. I'm a total novice in these matters
so I need advice.
I would recommend the Epson line, more specifically the A3 sized photo-printers.
The Epson 2100 (European name) is the latest
Tom wrote:
You mean have your N adjusted so it gets about 10mm between frames?
Did your tech guy say he could do this?
He is currently checking this out with Japan, but neither him or me were certain this
was the problem. Now I am.
It should be possible to adjust as it is software controlled.
Dan,
I bought my son a cheap Vivitar PS with autofocus at about that age (some 18 years
ago). With autowinding, it was very easy for him to burn film. I think the digital
suggestion makes a lot of sense for that reason, but get one that is indestructable as
5 year olds are hard on cameras.
I started shooting Agfa APX 100 about a year ago (it's pretty popular in
Germany) and quite like it...
Norm
Stephen Hoffman wrote:
I need help in trying out B W film. I haven't shot any in years and I
have been asked to shoot some in a wedding soon. Because of the time factor
I can't
I was just waiting for the Photon argument to crop up
again... A very literal and limited interpretation.
Yes, it's all photons. That's why a Picasso is no
different than a photocopy - both photon stuff.
--- Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But they are not both resultant from light
Keep us updated.
--
Thomas Van Veen Photography
www.bigdayphoto.com
301-758-3085
-Original Message-
From: Pål Jensen [mailto:paaljensen;sensewave.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentax 645N/NII frame spacing
Tom wrote:
You mean
- Original Message -
From: Dr E D F Williams
Subject: Way off topic: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great
stuff
There is nothing 'cheap' about Photoshop. And I meant exactly
what I wrote.
Which was a non sequiter to what you thought you were responding
to.
On the other hand
Bruce,
What sort of price can one expect to pay for an Epson 2450? I'm in Canada of
course, and mainly use 35mm.
James
- Original Message -
From: Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Quality film scanner at
Folks:
It's been my experience, as an insurance investigator, that the standard has become whether or not the photographer can testify as to the authenticity of the photograph. That the substance of the photograph has not been compromised, They, the judges and atorney's, do not appear to be
The 2450 is discontinued. It's being replaced by a 3200 DPI model (GT-9800F
in Japan).
http://www.i-love-epson.co.jp/products/scanner/gt9800f/9800f1.htm.
You may still get the 2450. Check Greytech for best prices
http://www.accountwizard.com/clients/shop.asp?Web=greytechAW_SessionID=AWEn
Of course the photons come up : you brought up the real side of this.
If you want to talk about real objects, then you must consider what
the physical manifestations of the image actually is. If you could
create an atom by atom copy of a painting by Picasso, then I would argue
that the two
You are essentially correct. The photographer -- or someone else
who observed the scene being depicted -- must testify that the image accurately
reflects the conditions in issue at the time in question. No one
every inquires as to whether the image was originated by traditional photography
or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Folks:
Snip>
So
long as the original is available,
Snip
And would someone like to define "original"? I'm always
very careful about how much weight I give an "original." A
lot of things can happen between the object of interest and the film/sensor.
Or, am I missing
Very good point!
Steve Desjardins wrote:
By the way, I'm enjoying this exchnage. Don't let a forceful argument
be mistaken for anger ;-) There's been too much of that lately on the
list.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Folks:
Snip
So long as the original is available,
Snip
And would someone like to define original? I'm always very careful
about how much weight I give an original. A lot of things can happen
between the object of interest and the film/sensor. Or, am I
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
I need help in trying out B W film. I haven't shot any in years and I
have been asked to shoot some in a wedding soon. Because of the time factor
I can't experiment with too many so I'm looking for advice and hopefully I
can narrow it down to a
Original picture, not subject.You have to remember that the most
important thing is to have the person who took the picture say, "it looked like
that".
BR
-Original Message-From: Otis Wright, Jr.
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Snip
And would someone like to define "original"?
By the way, I'm enjoying this exchnage. Don't let a
forceful argument be mistaken for anger ;-) There's
been too much of that lately on the
list.
Steven Desjardins
I too am enjoying this interaction - thank you for
mentioning that.
The only problem is that, though I am rarely at a loss
for
Many great philosophers have made that precise point.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
All of these are excellent points (and beautifully
stated, by the way) but most can also be applied to
seeing - to how our eyes receive, alter, etc. what is
around us. Consequently, if such as the below are the
key
My meaning of the original, I've been told, is the first photo as it exists on the negative or the disk.
Thaks for asking.
Paul G.
This is very interesting because we have the existence
of originals in all art forms before electronic media
in which the idea of the original looses its sense.
The original is a difficult thing to define. Like the
color red, it is something that can be defined the
best one can, and then easily
Would you believe...rude because scary?
--- Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Too rude.
Chaso DeChaso wrote:
Gotcha, no death jokes. Too scary.
=
Chaso DeChaso
Less is more cheap - Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
__
Do you
Agreed. I'd like it applied to the argument at hand,
though, which would be (translated): film isn't less
authentic than digital because nothing exists anyway,
nothing is true, nothing is objective, etc. Then we
have the crux on the table. Then we can make
progress.
--- Daniel J. Matyola
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our old friend Shel, a past contributor to the pdml has one on ebay.
Bob, I love you.
I've been trying to get ahold of Shel for quite some time, and I'd finally
assumed the worst, however, this is proof that there must be somewhy to
contact him.
Hello Steffen,
You may want to try out Kodak Tri-X developped in Rodinal. Both products
haven't changed since decades (Rodinal is more than a century old now) so
this is the traditionnal BW combo, but it gives very pleasing results for
my tastes, especially out of focus portions of the image
Jagermeister, that's nothing compared to what looks like a bottle of
Enzion on the left side...(better known as rocket fuel).
Norm
tom wrote:
From: Cotty [mailto:cottycam;mac.com]
Way to go guys (and gal) !
Never mind all the cameras and lenses, what a great
selection of wine!
Not
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Thibault GROUAS wrote:
You may also want to push process tri-x which gives some good results quite
Anyone have a good HC110 recipie to PULL process Tri-X iso 100 (forgot to
set the film speed).
Well, I haven't done a trial in many years, but I think that what many
here (obviously not you, Dan) don't realize, is that the vast majority
of photographs submitted as exhibits in a trial are ~not~
controversial. They depict crime scenes - where the body was found, a
smashed window where entry
- Original Message -
From: gfen
Subject: Re: B W recommendations
Anyone have a good HC110 recipie to PULL process Tri-X iso
100 (forgot to
set the film speed).
What speed did you shoot it at?
William Robb
wow... that well hidden...
Well, as Tom said, keep us posted.
Jostein
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax 645N/NII frame spacing
Jostein wrote:
I'd guess Pål is right that this
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong
Subject: Re: Med format exhibit in Texas, great stuff
a quote from Fujifilm Profesional Data Guide, publication
AF3-102E:
While the human eye can adjust to extreme differences in
brightness, even
when the ratio between the highest and lowest
Try contacting the Evidence Photographers International Conference, they're
located in Pennsylvania.
Ken Waller
- Original Message -
From: Chaso DeChaso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: law and image
Sorry. Let me research
I would do 5-6 mins depending on contrast with rodinal 1+50 but sorry I
never used HC110. Ilford Perceptol diluted 1+3 is a good one for pull
processing also.
« gfen » [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Thibault GROUAS wrote:
You may also want to push process tri-x which gives
On 23 Oct 2002 at 7:41, Chaso DeChaso wrote:
And so...? (Make a conclusion, if you will.)
It's an observation (reality), make of it what you will, I'm not partaking in
the joy of argument.
Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT) +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 23 Oct 2002 at 7:41, Keith Whaley wrote:
Not to be obstreperous or contentious, but...
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 23 Oct 2002 at 6:02, Chaso DeChaso wrote:
This is not a seminal point about whether one has a
relationship to reality more than the other. However,
wet
Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are essentially correct. The photographer -- or someone else who
observed the scene being depicted -- must testify that the image
accurately reflects the conditions in issue at the time in question. No
one every inquires as to whether the image was
Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) wrote:
Sorry, Dan, but it is a Pentax list, and not an interesting conversation list.
You can say that again :-)
- Original Message -
From: gfen
Subject: Re: B W recommendations
Anyone have a good HC110 recipie to PULL process Tri-X iso
100 (forgot to
set the film speed).
Doh! I should learn to read.
Ummm,
Dilution E, at 20ºC for 8 minutes should do it.
William Robb
I love Delta 3200 in 6x7. Are you shooting those PJ weddings in medium format?
Paul
Glen O'Neal wrote:
Stephen
After shooting BW photojournalistic wedding for 5 years I have settled on
Ilford Delta 400 Pro for the prep and reception with flash and Ilford Delta
3200 (rated at 1600) for the
I can't offer much other than HC110 (any dilution) would be my last
recommendation. I personally would probably use X-tol 1:1 and follow Kodak's
recommendation of 8 min and 20C (recommended for EI of 100-200)
Bob
« gfen » [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Thibault GROUAS wrote:
Although other brans come close, Epson has won nearly every comparison
I've ever seen. I love my 1200. I think the latest version that can take
13 inch wide paper (in any length) is the 1290.
Paul Stenquist
Pål Jensen wrote:
I am considering buying a photo quality printer. I'm a total novice
How about this for a for a better title for the Texas Medium Format
Massacre thread?
Actually, I think film photography was what began the devaluation of
the visual arts. Before photos, a painting was a unique object,
difficult to reproduce. Although no two prints are exactly the same,
good
Hi, Steve,
On the contrary, photography freed visual artists from painting only
representational images, opening the doors to impressionism, abstract,
surrealism, and everything that flowed from those.
And, on the subject of reproductions, prior to photography, there were
woodcuts, which could
Bruce Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pål,
My experience is that the Epsons give the absolute best quality.
I'll add another vote for Epson. I have the 1270. Since I've gotten adept at
scanning slides and using Photoshop I have lost all interest in tradional
chemical (wet) photo prints.
--
Today, a lady came up to my counter and asked if we could take
the file from a floppy and make an 8x10 print from it.
My co worker put the disk into the Picture Maker and went
through the pre printing steps.
The machine said the biggest print it wanted to do from the file
was a wallet size.
At
- Original Message -
From: Pål Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: October 23, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: Which Photo quality printer?
I am considering buying a photo quality printer. I'm a total novice in these
matters so I need advice. Needless to say, I want best quality
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Today, a lady came up to my counter and asked if we could take
the file from a floppy and make an 8x10 print from it.
snip
The faces were about 40 pixels each...
She wasn't happy at all, and decided to take the job to
someplace that would do a better job
[William Robb's long, sad story snipped, but he does note:]
Most people are just too stupid to figure things out
William, I feel your pain, but IMHO it's not people that are stupid, it's
the technology. On a daily basis, I deal with computer users that don't
understand that to see the rest of
Bill,
All this needs is a simple explanation to the customers with respect to
resolution (not how many MegaPixels the camera is but what the DPI of the
image is).
There is a learning curve, as you are well aware, with digital - as such -
if you feel that your customers are not happy because For
I need to part with the A35/2.0.
Glass mechanics are fine.
Paint wear and filter ring dent.
I paid $95 for it 2 weeks ago.
Anyone interested can have it for
$85 shipped in US.
Collin
- Original Message -
From: Timothy Sherburne
Subject: Re: A funny problem with digital
Most people are just too stupid to figure things out
William, I feel your pain, but IMHO it's not people that are
stupid, it's
the technology. On a daily basis, I deal with computer users
that
William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The nice thing about film is that it is completely transparent
technology (especially if you process a blank roll).
Or if you use one of those promotional Pentax SLRs with the clear plastic
bodies?
Film can be 100% point and shoot from the consumers
And where would one put his/her hands on such a camera?
- Original Message -
From: Chaso DeChaso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: spot beam?
The Maxxum 9 has three spot beam projectors in the
body, one for each AF point.
I'm getting few digests with most of the messages
from Chaso DeChaso.
???
The professional section of your local
camera shop, don't know the password
though :)
Feroze
- Original Message -
From: Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: spot beam?
And where would one put his/her hands on such a
That's because the other messages aren't 'real'... G
Norm
Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
I'm getting few digests with most of the messages
from Chaso DeChaso.
???
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