Re: PESO - Shifting Sands

2016-10-14 Thread ann sanfedele

what Ken said

ann


On 10/14/2016 9:54 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Thanks, Ken.

Cheers

Brian

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On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, at 09:42 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

Attractive image, very Carribean like colors.


-Original Message-

From: Brian Walters 
Subject: PESO - Shifting Sands


>From our trip to north-west Australia in 2015.  This was taken on a

flight in a seaplane from Broome to the Horizontal Falls in Talbot Bay.

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP6491-K5-1peso.html

In the interests of full disclosure, some photoshoppery was needed in
the bottom right corner to remove a nasty reflection from the aircraft's
window and some minor spotting elsewhere.

C & C welcome


(K-5 with DA 18-135mm)


Cheers

Brian

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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis

Exactly as I intended, Ann.

J

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From: "ann sanfedele" 
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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 7:34:53 PM
Subject: Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

That reads to me that she really is sizing them up.., trying to decide 
who the lucky duck is , reading it as Jack is here.

nicely timed shutter release :-) fun!

ann


On 10/14/2016 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
> Sadly sex among ducks is the closest thing to rape in avian world.  
> Her dilemma is how do I get away /now/ !
>
> On 10/14/2016 2:18 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> No, I'm saying she can't make up her
>> mind which Drake to chose.
>> I know, it's a bit of a reach. :)
>>
>> J
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you saying it's chicken?
>>>
>>> Alan C
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:48 PM
>>> To: PDML
>>> Subject: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma
>>>
>>>
>>> Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.
>>>
>>> Comments most welcome!
>>>
>>> J
>>>
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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread ann sanfedele
That reads to me that she really is sizing them up.., trying to decide 
who the lucky duck is , reading it as Jack is here.


nicely timed shutter release :-) fun!

ann


On 10/14/2016 3:33 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:
Sadly sex among ducks is the closest thing to rape in avian world.  
Her dilemma is how do I get away /now/ !


On 10/14/2016 2:18 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

No, I'm saying she can't make up her
mind which Drake to chose.
I know, it's a bit of a reach. :)

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Are you saying it's chicken?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:48 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma


Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.

Comments most welcome!

J

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Re: USA PDML meetups

2016-10-14 Thread ann sanfedele
Interesting - I have never been to GRuppos probably an upstart - glad it 
was good.


Hasta manana

ann


On 10/14/2016 8:53 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

  Being very obedient souls, Jan and I tried a New York pizza last
night, at a place named Gruppo's in East Village - thin, crisp crust,
limited amount of toppings, and very tasty - freshly prepared, of
course, in the oven we could check out from our seat.Yes, Larry - I've
noticed already being able to shoot at even 800ISO and get good clear
shots at 1/10 - 1/3.  Not had to push yet beyond that, but will be
looking to try it out.
John in NY

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  Christine Aguila wrote:
  > Sounds good! I’ll put your numbers in my contact list. I’ve
sent some
  > suggestions via our email thread off list. Looking forward to
meeting you
  > guys! Cheers, Christine

  I have instructed John and Jan that they need to try pizza in both
New
  York and Chicago.

  BTW John, don't forget to push the ISO on your new K-5 way harder
than
  you think is possible. Take a photo at what you think is a reasonable
  ISO, then take it again using the shutter speed and/or aperture that
you
  really want to use if only it were possible to get decent photos at
ISO
  6400 to 16,000.

  for example, this was shot at ISO 10,000
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/album-72157634684347823/

  This is 25,600
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8366084507/in/album-72157632485855236/

  Also, don't be afraid to try to push on the SR at low shutter speeds.
  You wouldn't think that you could hand hold below 1/10 second and get
  away with it, but if you brace yourself well the K-5 can get a
  reasonable percentage of clear shots down to 0.3 seconds hand held.

  >
  >
  >> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:24 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Hi guys - well, we're here! Arrived San Francisco this afternoon,
  >> frazzled after 18 hours travelling.
  >>
  >> Picked up cell phones straight away, the numbers are:
  >>
  >> Me - 415-910-0406
  >>
  >> Jan - just in case - 415-960-4968
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> John in San Francisco (was in Brisbane)
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Re: USA PDML meetups

2016-10-14 Thread Larry Colen



jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:

  Being very obedient souls, Jan and I tried a New York pizza last
night, at a place named Gruppo's in East Village - thin, crisp crust,
limited amount of toppings, and very tasty - freshly prepared, of
course, in the oven we could check out from our seat.Yes, Larry - I've
noticed already being able to shoot at even 800ISO and get good clear
shots at 1/10 - 1/3.  Not had to push yet beyond that, but will be
looking to try it out.
John in NY


Did you mean 800 or 8000?  At 800 you'd be hard pressed to tell the 
difference from 100.


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Re: PESO - Shifting Sands

2016-10-14 Thread Brian Walters
Thanks, Ken.

Cheers

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On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, at 09:42 AM, Ken Waller wrote:
> Attractive image, very Carribean like colors.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Brian Walters 
> >Subject: PESO - Shifting Sands
> >
> >From our trip to north-west Australia in 2015.  This was taken on a
> >flight in a seaplane from Broome to the Horizontal Falls in Talbot Bay.
> >
> >http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP6491-K5-1peso.html
> >
> >In the interests of full disclosure, some photoshoppery was needed in
> >the bottom right corner to remove a nasty reflection from the aircraft's
> >window and some minor spotting elsewhere.
> >
> >C & C welcome
> >
> >
> >(K-5 with DA 18-135mm)
> >
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >++
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> >Western Sydney Australia
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Re: K-5 high ISO - was USA PDML meetups

2016-10-14 Thread Larry Colen



Rick Womer wrote:

Larry, shooting RAW above 6400 I get noise I can't clean up in LR without 
losing too much detail.

Are you setting the camera at ISO 10k or 25.6k, or are you "underexposing" in 
the camera and pushing at post?


On both of those photos, I had the camera set for Tav. Sometimes, I'll 
underexpose a bit to preserve highlights.  I generally don't like to 
push too much past 6400 or 8000, but sometimes the results surprise me. 
I have lost many more photos from too low a shutter speed, or too little 
depth of field than I have from too high of an ISO.


In any case, my point was that he should experiment with it, and when he 
has the time to take a second try at the photo, give it a try at the 
higher ISO because if he's coming from an ist, then he just will not 
believe what the camera can really do.


In any case, we all have our own limits as to what we'll tolerate in 
terms of noise.  The when I was processing the shot of Jon, my first 
thought was that the noise on it was a little rough, and I wondered what 
ISO I was shooting at, I expected 8K not 25K.


As a side bit of internet history, the band he is playing with in that 
photo, Deth Specula, made internet history by being the first band to 
broadcast a concert live over the internet.





Rick


On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Christine Aguila wrote:

Sounds good!  I’ll put your numbers in my contact list.  I’ve sent some 
suggestions via our email thread off list.  Looking forward to meeting you 
guys!  Cheers, Christine

I have instructed John and Jan that they need to try pizza in both New York and 
Chicago.

BTW John, don't forget to push the ISO on your new K-5 way harder than you 
think is possible.  Take a photo at what you think is a reasonable ISO, then 
take it again using the shutter speed and/or aperture that you really want to 
use if only it were possible to get decent photos at ISO 6400 to 16,000.

for example, this was shot at ISO 10,000
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/album-72157634684347823/

This is 25,600
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8366084507/in/album-72157632485855236/


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Re: K-5 high ISO - was USA PDML meetups

2016-10-14 Thread Rick Womer
Larry, shooting RAW above 6400 I get noise I can't clean up in LR without 
losing too much detail.

Are you setting the camera at ISO 10k or 25.6k, or are you "underexposing" in 
the camera and pushing at post?

Rick


On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> 
> Christine Aguila wrote:
>> Sounds good!  I’ll put your numbers in my contact list.  I’ve sent some 
>> suggestions via our email thread off list.  Looking forward to meeting you 
>> guys!  Cheers, Christine
> 
> I have instructed John and Jan that they need to try pizza in both New York 
> and Chicago.
> 
> BTW John, don't forget to push the ISO on your new K-5 way harder than you 
> think is possible.  Take a photo at what you think is a reasonable ISO, then 
> take it again using the shutter speed and/or aperture that you really want to 
> use if only it were possible to get decent photos at ISO 6400 to 16,000.
> 
> for example, this was shot at ISO 10,000
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/album-72157634684347823/
> 
> This is 25,600
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8366084507/in/album-72157632485855236/
> 
> Also, don't be afraid to try to push on the SR at low shutter speeds. You 
> wouldn't think that you could hand hold below 1/10 second and get away with 
> it, but if you brace yourself well the K-5 can get a reasonable percentage of 
> clear shots down to 0.3 seconds hand held.
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:24 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi guys - well, we're here!  Arrived San Francisco this afternoon,
>>> frazzled after 18 hours travelling.
>>> 
>>> Picked up cell phones straight away, the numbers are:
>>> 
>>> Me - 415-910-0406
>>> 
>>> Jan - just in case - 415-960-4968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John in San Francisco (was in Brisbane)
>>> 
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Re: USA PDML meetups

2016-10-14 Thread jcoyle
 Being very obedient souls, Jan and I tried a New York pizza last
night, at a place named Gruppo's in East Village - thin, crisp crust,
limited amount of toppings, and very tasty - freshly prepared, of
course, in the oven we could check out from our seat.Yes, Larry - I've
noticed already being able to shoot at even 800ISO and get good clear
shots at 1/10 - 1/3.  Not had to push yet beyond that, but will be
looking to try it out.
John in NY

- Original Message -
From: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
To:"Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Cc:
Sent:Fri, 14 Oct 2016 18:13:46 -0400
Subject:Re: USA PDML meetups

 Christine Aguila wrote:
 > Sounds good! I’ll put your numbers in my contact list. I’ve
sent some 
 > suggestions via our email thread off list. Looking forward to
meeting you 
 > guys! Cheers, Christine

 I have instructed John and Jan that they need to try pizza in both
New
 York and Chicago.

 BTW John, don't forget to push the ISO on your new K-5 way harder
than
 you think is possible. Take a photo at what you think is a reasonable
 ISO, then take it again using the shutter speed and/or aperture that
you
 really want to use if only it were possible to get decent photos at
ISO
 6400 to 16,000.

 for example, this was shot at ISO 10,000
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/album-72157634684347823/

 This is 25,600
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8366084507/in/album-72157632485855236/

 Also, don't be afraid to try to push on the SR at low shutter speeds.
 You wouldn't think that you could hand hold below 1/10 second and get
 away with it, but if you brace yourself well the K-5 can get a
 reasonable percentage of clear shots down to 0.3 seconds hand held.

 >
 >
 >> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:24 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Hi guys - well, we're here! Arrived San Francisco this afternoon,
 >> frazzled after 18 hours travelling.
 >>
 >> Picked up cell phones straight away, the numbers are:
 >>
 >> Me - 415-910-0406
 >>
 >> Jan - just in case - 415-960-4968
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> John in San Francisco (was in Brisbane)
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Re: PESO: On the beach, Encino 1981

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


HAR!
And I've been complaining about clerks tell me that "the computer does not 
allow me"... Those damn computers will be writing their own postings to 
PDML soon.  ;-)



That rock formation got me thinking if it was "Dog Beach", between Del Mar 
and Encinitas:

https://goo.gl/sp677J
But it doesn't seem to be the case.

Encinitas is about 1 hour south of LA (depending on the traffic).

Sorry, while I am very familiar with San Diego's vicinities, I don't know 
the coastal line near LA that well to recognize this place.


Igor


 Paul Stenquist Fri, 14 Oct 2016 15:02:17 -0700 wrote:

Autocorrect strikes again. I wrote "the day was grey, my computer decided 
it was great. The transparency sleeve says Encinitas's. That rock 
formation says it's not Santa Monica. I'm sure it was close to LA, as I 
was there on business. There are a lot of rock formations like this near 
Ventura county line. Could be up there. Maybe someone can recognize it.



Paul via phone


On Oct 14, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

Nice, movie-escue image. E.g. it looks like a frame from a movie.

While reading you message, I was rather confused what was the problem:
why the fact that the day was great should have stopped her from heading out 
with her board...

But on the photo, it looks like it may have been not much sunny (was it?)..

Also, just my curiousity: You mentioned Encino. But AFAIK, Encino is not on 
the shore. Rather Santa Monica would be between Encino and the water.
Or, was it Encinitas (much more south, closer to San Diego), - which is right 
on the shore?


Igor


Paul Stenquist Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:54:46 -0700 wrote:

A Kodachrome that I scanned this afternoon. It was a great day on the beach 
at Encino, California in 1981, but that didn’t stop this young lady from 
heading out with her board. I probably shot it with my Fuji 801 screw mount 
camera. Not sure about the lens. Looks like it was either the Mamiya 135/2.8 
or the Vivitar 200/3.5. Of course that young lady is now well into her 50s. 
Time flies.



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Re: PESO: On the beach, Encino 1981

2016-10-14 Thread Gonz
Excellent shot. I'll bet that young lady now wishes she had that body again!


On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, at 09:33 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> > Autocorrect strikes again. I wrote "the day was grey, my computer decided 
>> > it was great. The transparency sleeve says Encinitas's. That rock 
>> > formation says it's not Santa Monica. I'm sure it was close to LA, as I 
>> > was there on business. There are a lot of rock formations like this near 
>> > Ventura county line. Could be up there. Maybe someone can recognize it.
>>
>> Wherever it was, you did an excellent job of capturing the lovely local
>> scenery.
>
>
> Certainly can't argue with that...
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Paul via phone
>> >
>> >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nice, movie-escue image. E.g. it looks like a frame from a movie.
>> >>
>> >> While reading you message, I was rather confused what was the problem:
>> >> why the fact that the day was great should have stopped her from heading 
>> >> out with her board...
>> >> But on the photo, it looks like it may have been not much sunny (was 
>> >> it?)..
>> >>
>> >> Also, just my curiousity: You mentioned Encino. But AFAIK, Encino is not 
>> >> on the shore. Rather Santa Monica would be between Encino and the water.
>> >> Or, was it Encinitas (much more south, closer to San Diego), - which is 
>> >> right on the shore?
>> >>
>> >> Igor
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Paul Stenquist Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:54:46 -0700 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A Kodachrome that I scanned this afternoon. It was a great day on the 
>> >> beach at Encino, California in 1981, but that didn’t stop this young lady 
>> >> from heading out with her board. I probably shot it with my Fuji 801 
>> >> screw mount camera. Not sure about the lens. Looks like it was either the 
>> >> Mamiya 135/2.8 or the Vivitar 200/3.5. Of course that young lady is now 
>> >> well into her 50s. Time flies.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18299421=lg
>> >>
>> >> Paul
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Re: PESO - Shifting Sands

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Waller
Attractive image, very Carribean like colors.


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>Subject: PESO - Shifting Sands
>
>From our trip to north-west Australia in 2015.  This was taken on a
>flight in a seaplane from Broome to the Horizontal Falls in Talbot Bay.
>
>http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP6491-K5-1peso.html
>
>In the interests of full disclosure, some photoshoppery was needed in
>the bottom right corner to remove a nasty reflection from the aircraft's
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>
>C & C welcome
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Re: Liverpool GESO: Time to play "Spot the Cormorant"

2016-10-14 Thread Larry Colen



Henk Terhell wrote:

Very nice pics.


Yes, a wonderful set.  You do a very good job playing with extending 
dynamic range and long exposure times to good artistic effect.





Are the liver birds on the towers cormorants?

Henk

Op 2016-10-13 om 15:29 schreef Mark Roberts:

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/liverpool/index.html





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Re: PESO: On the beach, Encino 1981

2016-10-14 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, at 09:33 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
> > Autocorrect strikes again. I wrote "the day was grey, my computer decided 
> > it was great. The transparency sleeve says Encinitas's. That rock formation 
> > says it's not Santa Monica. I'm sure it was close to LA, as I was there on 
> > business. There are a lot of rock formations like this near Ventura county 
> > line. Could be up there. Maybe someone can recognize it.
> 
> Wherever it was, you did an excellent job of capturing the lovely local 
> scenery.


Certainly can't argue with that...


Cheers

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> >
> > Paul via phone
> >
> >> On Oct 14, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Nice, movie-escue image. E.g. it looks like a frame from a movie.
> >>
> >> While reading you message, I was rather confused what was the problem:
> >> why the fact that the day was great should have stopped her from heading 
> >> out with her board...
> >> But on the photo, it looks like it may have been not much sunny (was it?)..
> >>
> >> Also, just my curiousity: You mentioned Encino. But AFAIK, Encino is not 
> >> on the shore. Rather Santa Monica would be between Encino and the water.
> >> Or, was it Encinitas (much more south, closer to San Diego), - which is 
> >> right on the shore?
> >>
> >> Igor
> >>
> >>
> >> Paul Stenquist Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:54:46 -0700 wrote:
> >>
> >> A Kodachrome that I scanned this afternoon. It was a great day on the 
> >> beach at Encino, California in 1981, but that didn’t stop this young lady 
> >> from heading out with her board. I probably shot it with my Fuji 801 screw 
> >> mount camera. Not sure about the lens. Looks like it was either the Mamiya 
> >> 135/2.8 or the Vivitar 200/3.5. Of course that young lady is now well into 
> >> her 50s. Time flies.
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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PESO - Shifting Sands

2016-10-14 Thread Brian Walters
>From our trip to north-west Australia in 2015.  This was taken on a
flight in a seaplane from Broome to the Horizontal Falls in Talbot Bay.

http://lyons-ryan.org/PESO/slides/_IGP6491-K5-1peso.html

In the interests of full disclosure, some photoshoppery was needed in
the bottom right corner to remove a nasty reflection from the aircraft's
window and some minor spotting elsewhere.

C & C welcome


(K-5 with DA 18-135mm)


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Re: PESO: On the beach, Encino 1981

2016-10-14 Thread Larry Colen



Paul Stenquist wrote:

Autocorrect strikes again. I wrote "the day was grey, my computer decided it 
was great. The transparency sleeve says Encinitas's. That rock formation says it's 
not Santa Monica. I'm sure it was close to LA, as I was there on business. There are 
a lot of rock formations like this near Ventura county line. Could be up there. 
Maybe someone can recognize it.


Wherever it was, you did an excellent job of capturing the lovely local 
scenery.





Paul via phone


On Oct 14, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


Nice, movie-escue image. E.g. it looks like a frame from a movie.

While reading you message, I was rather confused what was the problem:
why the fact that the day was great should have stopped her from heading out 
with her board...
But on the photo, it looks like it may have been not much sunny (was it?)..

Also, just my curiousity: You mentioned Encino. But AFAIK, Encino is not on the 
shore. Rather Santa Monica would be between Encino and the water.
Or, was it Encinitas (much more south, closer to San Diego), - which is right 
on the shore?

Igor


Paul Stenquist Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:54:46 -0700 wrote:

A Kodachrome that I scanned this afternoon. It was a great day on the beach at 
Encino, California in 1981, but that didn’t stop this young lady from heading 
out with her board. I probably shot it with my Fuji 801 screw mount camera. Not 
sure about the lens. Looks like it was either the Mamiya 135/2.8 or the Vivitar 
200/3.5. Of course that young lady is now well into her 50s. Time flies.


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18299421=lg

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Re: USA PDML meetups

2016-10-14 Thread Larry Colen



Christine Aguila wrote:

Sounds good!  I’ll put your numbers in my contact list.  I’ve sent some 
suggestions via our email thread off list.  Looking forward to meeting you 
guys!  Cheers, Christine


I have instructed John and Jan that they need to try pizza in both New 
York and Chicago.


BTW John, don't forget to push the ISO on your new K-5 way harder than 
you think is possible.  Take a photo at what you think is a reasonable 
ISO, then take it again using the shutter speed and/or aperture that you 
really want to use if only it were possible to get decent photos at ISO 
6400 to 16,000.


for example, this was shot at ISO 10,000
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/album-72157634684347823/

This is 25,600
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8366084507/in/album-72157632485855236/

Also, don't be afraid to try to push on the SR at low shutter speeds. 
You wouldn't think that you could hand hold below 1/10 second and get 
away with it, but if you brace yourself well the K-5 can get a 
reasonable percentage of clear shots down to 0.3 seconds hand held.







On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:24 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:



Hi guys - well, we're here!  Arrived San Francisco this afternoon,
frazzled after 18 hours travelling.

Picked up cell phones straight away, the numbers are:

Me - 415-910-0406

Jan - just in case - 415-960-4968



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Re: PESO: On the beach, Encino 1981

2016-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
Autocorrect strikes again. I wrote "the day was grey, my computer decided it 
was great. The transparency sleeve says Encinitas's. That rock formation says 
it's not Santa Monica. I'm sure it was close to LA, as I was there on business. 
There are a lot of rock formations like this near Ventura county line. Could be 
up there. Maybe someone can recognize it.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 14, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice, movie-escue image. E.g. it looks like a frame from a movie.
> 
> While reading you message, I was rather confused what was the problem:
> why the fact that the day was great should have stopped her from heading out 
> with her board...
> But on the photo, it looks like it may have been not much sunny (was it?)..
> 
> Also, just my curiousity: You mentioned Encino. But AFAIK, Encino is not on 
> the shore. Rather Santa Monica would be between Encino and the water.
> Or, was it Encinitas (much more south, closer to San Diego), - which is right 
> on the shore?
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:54:46 -0700 wrote:
> 
> A Kodachrome that I scanned this afternoon. It was a great day on the beach 
> at Encino, California in 1981, but that didn’t stop this young lady from 
> heading out with her board. I probably shot it with my Fuji 801 screw mount 
> camera. Not sure about the lens. Looks like it was either the Mamiya 135/2.8 
> or the Vivitar 200/3.5. Of course that young lady is now well into her 50s. 
> Time flies.
> 
> 
> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18299421=lg
> 
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Re: OT - totally OT - help identifying?

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Wow! Just, wow!

I don't stop being impressed with the collective wisdom of PDML and 
the broad individual knowledge of PDMLers.


Thanks a lot, Eric!

Igor


 Eric Featherstone Fri, 14 Oct 2016 14:49:12 -0700 wrote:

On 14 October 2016 at 21:52, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

I know that PDMLers are good at identifying various species.
I wonder if someone is knowledgeable about these Japanese creatures:
http://42graphy.org/misc/IMG_20150814_223740_957_resized.jpg

I am trying to find out what's the name.
I tried to do a reverse image search, and that didn't help
I bought this creature some 4 years ago in Japan.



kokinchan - an adnpanman character from planet baikin (baikin =
bacteria in Japanese)

http://www.awgosh.com/anpanmanchara.html

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Re: OT - totally OT - help identifying?

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 14 October 2016 at 22:47, Eric Featherstone
 wrote:
> kokinchan - an adnpanman character from planet baikin (baikin =
> bacteria in Japanese)
>
> http://www.awgosh.com/anpanmanchara.html

Damn autoincorrect; for adnpanman read anpanman

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Re: OT - totally OT - help identifying?

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 14 October 2016 at 21:52, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> I know that PDMLers are good at identifying various species.
> I wonder if someone is knowledgeable about these Japanese creatures:
> http://42graphy.org/misc/IMG_20150814_223740_957_resized.jpg
>
> I am trying to find out what's the name.
> I tried to do a reverse image search, and that didn't help
> I bought this creature some 4 years ago in Japan.

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http://www.awgosh.com/anpanmanchara.html

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Re: PESO: On the beach, Encino 1981

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Nice, movie-escue image. E.g. it looks like a frame from a movie.

While reading you message, I was rather confused what was the problem:
why the fact that the day was great should have stopped her from heading 
out with her board...
But on the photo, it looks like it may have been not much sunny (was 
it?)..


Also, just my curiousity: You mentioned Encino. But AFAIK, Encino is not 
on the shore. Rather Santa Monica would be between Encino and the water.
Or, was it Encinitas (much more south, closer to San Diego), - which is 
right on the shore?


Igor


Paul Stenquist Fri, 14 Oct 2016 13:54:46 -0700 wrote:

A Kodachrome that I scanned this afternoon. It was a great day on the 
beach at Encino, California in 1981, but that didn’t stop this young lady 
from heading out with her board. I probably shot it with my Fuji 801 screw 
mount camera. Not sure about the lens. Looks like it was either the Mamiya 
135/2.8 or the Vivitar 200/3.5. Of course that young lady is now well into 
her 50s. Time flies.



http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18299421=lg

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PESO: On the beach, Encino 1981

2016-10-14 Thread Paul Stenquist
A Kodachrome that I scanned this afternoon. It was a great day on the beach at 
Encino, California in 1981,  but that didn’t stop this young lady from heading 
out with her board. I probably shot it with my Fuji 801 screw mount camera. Not 
sure about the lens. Looks like it was either the Mamiya 135/2.8 or the Vivitar 
200/3.5. Of course that young lady is now well into her 50s. Time flies.

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18299421=lg

Paul



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OT - totally OT - help identifying?

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR



I know that PDMLers are good at identifying various species.
I wonder if someone is knowledgeable about these Japanese creatures:
http://42graphy.org/misc/IMG_20150814_223740_957_resized.jpg

I am trying to find out what's the name.
I tried to do a reverse image search, and that didn't help
I bought this creature some 4 years ago in Japan.

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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis

Hi, Igor,

When I first took a look at this image, the clarity inspired me to pull it up 
by probably 30%.
Was shot off-hand with the 55-300 at about 60ft(?)
Seeing that the enlargement seemed to hold up well, I proceeded to convert it 
to a jpg for posting.
Actually, I felt the Hen's speckled breast detail was especially detailed. 
Maybe I was a bit too
taken with the image in general ans should have stuck with the native image.

Thanks, again, for your comments!

J

- Original Message -
From: "Igor PDML-StR" 
To: "PDML" 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 1:21:19 PM
Subject: Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma


Jack,

No, I meant the two front ducks (the 3rd one is also, but that's 
understandable, it's slightly outside of DOF.

I think I found a partial problem. For some reason,
Firefox shows the image at a slightly large size then what it is in 
reality. So, it is dynamically upscaling it. And that is likely resulting 
in the apparent softness. It is not happening in other browsers.
(I just realized, - my browser had some small zoom value, probably 110%.)

However, I still see that some parts of the two front ducks are not very 
sharp. E.g. the breast of the brown one is sort of blurred.
I am not sure if it is a motion blur, the resolution limitation of the 
lens, or a very narrow DoF. It might be a combination of several factors.
What was the focal length and the aperture for this shot?

It's a nice catch in any case!

Igor




  Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:46:14 -0700 wrote:

Reply#2: Yes, the grass in the foreground and ducks and grasses in the
background are soft, but the
plain of the primary subjects is
really all that mattered to me in
this "off hand" casual catch.
Is that what you're seeing?
Thanks, Igor!
J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
>
> Jack,
>
> It's a nice catch and composition.
>
> I don't know if it is my browser or what, but it looks softish.
> I'd try to sharpen it a bit (or at least to apply "unsharp" filter or
> it's cousin "Presence/Clariry" in LR.
>
> BTW, the caption is misspelled. :)
>
> Igor
>
>
> Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:50:21 -0700 wrote:
>
> Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.
>
> Comments most welcome!
>
>
> J
>
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1109
>
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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Jack,

No, I meant the two front ducks (the 3rd one is also, but that's 
understandable, it's slightly outside of DOF.


I think I found a partial problem. For some reason,
Firefox shows the image at a slightly large size then what it is in 
reality. So, it is dynamically upscaling it. And that is likely resulting 
in the apparent softness. It is not happening in other browsers.

(I just realized, - my browser had some small zoom value, probably 110%.)

However, I still see that some parts of the two front ducks are not very 
sharp. E.g. the breast of the brown one is sort of blurred.
I am not sure if it is a motion blur, the resolution limitation of the 
lens, or a very narrow DoF. It might be a combination of several factors.

What was the focal length and the aperture for this shot?

It's a nice catch in any case!

Igor




 Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:46:14 -0700 wrote:

Reply#2: Yes, the grass in the foreground and ducks and grasses in the
background are soft, but the
plain of the primary subjects is
really all that mattered to me in
this "off hand" casual catch.
Is that what you're seeing?
Thanks, Igor!
J


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:


Jack,

It's a nice catch and composition.

I don't know if it is my browser or what, but it looks softish.
I'd try to sharpen it a bit (or at least to apply "unsharp" filter or
it's cousin "Presence/Clariry" in LR.

BTW, the caption is misspelled. :)

Igor


Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:50:21 -0700 wrote:

Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.

Comments most welcome!


J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1109




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Re: PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Waller
Interestingly, it has a similar, tho not as bad, issue with window 
placement.


They (the creations) probably went to different schools together.

Nice capture less the background.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "P.J. Alling" 

Subject: Re: PESO - Crown Prince



At last!

https://pdml.updog.co/Take%20me%20to%20your%20leader/GESO%20--%20takemetoyourleaderi.html

On 10/14/2016 12:39 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



... of an eState (or iState?):
http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg

(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).

Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in 
Chelyabinsk, Russia).


It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.

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Re: PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


HAR!

And you see, there is something about them liking to have a window right 
behind. These guys might be using those windows as portals.


Igor


 P.J. Alling Fri, 14 Oct 2016 12:31:01 -0700 wrote:

At last!

https://pdml.updog.co/Take%20me%20to%20your%20leader/GESO%20--%20takemetoyourleaderi.html


On 10/14/2016 12:39 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




... of an eState (or iState?):
http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg

(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).

Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in 
Chelyabinsk, Russia).


It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.

Igor




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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread P.J. Alling
Sadly sex among ducks is the closest thing to rape in avian world.  Her 
dilemma is how do I get away /now/ !


On 10/14/2016 2:18 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

No, I'm saying she can't make up her
mind which Drake to chose.
I know, it's a bit of a reach. :)

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Are you saying it's chicken?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:48 PM
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Subject: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma


Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.

Comments most welcome!

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Re: PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread P.J. Alling

At last!

https://pdml.updog.co/Take%20me%20to%20your%20leader/GESO%20--%20takemetoyourleaderi.html

On 10/14/2016 12:39 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



... of an eState (or iState?):
http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg

(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).

Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in 
Chelyabinsk, Russia).


It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.

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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Reply#2: Yes, the grass in the foreground and ducks and grasses in the 
background are soft, but the
plain of the primary subjects is
really all that mattered to me in
this "off hand" casual catch.
Is that what you're seeing?
Thanks, Igor!
J

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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jack,
> 
> It's a nice catch and composition.
> 
> I don't know if it is my browser or what, but it looks softish.
> I'd try to sharpen it a bit (or at least to apply "unsharp" filter or
> it's cousin "Presence/Clariry" in LR.
> 
> BTW, the caption is misspelled. :)
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:50:21 -0700 wrote:
> 
> Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.
> 
> Comments most welcome!
> 
> 
> J
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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma,

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
It may be your browser, Igor.(?)
The image, as usual, looked
faintly dark when I checked "sent."
However I felt it to be razor sharp.

J

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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> Jack,
> 
> It's a nice catch and composition.
> 
> I don't know if it is my browser or what, but it looks softish.
> I'd try to sharpen it a bit (or at least to apply "unsharp" filter or
> it's cousin "Presence/Clariry" in LR.
> 
> BTW, the caption is misspelled. :)
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:50:21 -0700 wrote:
> 
> Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.
> 
> Comments most welcome!
> 
> 
> J
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1109
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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
Well, ether way, she'll die happy. 8-))
J
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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:14 AM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> Have you seen Mallards mating?  She's going to get both of them - and any 
> others
> in the vicinity as well.  If she's lucky, she'll survive.
> 
>> On 14 October 2016 at 17:48 Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.
>> 
>> Comments most welcome!
>> 
>> J
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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis
No, I'm saying she can't make up her
mind which Drake to chose.
I know, it's a bit of a reach. :)

J

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> On Oct 14, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying it's chicken?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:48 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma
> 
> 
> Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.
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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread mike wilson
Have you seen Mallards mating?  She's going to get both of them - and any others
in the vicinity as well.  If she's lucky, she'll survive.

> On 14 October 2016 at 17:48 Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.
> 
> Comments most welcome!
> 
> J
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1109

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Re: PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread Alan C

A good match for the Ferrosaurus.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Igor PDML-StR

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:39 PM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - Crown Prince



... of an eState (or iState?):
http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg

(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).

Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in
Chelyabinsk, Russia).

It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.

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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Alan C

Are you saying it's chicken?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 6:48 PM
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Subject: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma


Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.

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Re: Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Jack,

It's a nice catch and composition.

I don't know if it is my browser or what, but it looks softish.
I'd try to sharpen it a bit (or at least to apply "unsharp" filter or
it's cousin "Presence/Clariry" in LR.

BTW, the caption is misspelled. :)

Igor


Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:50:21 -0700 wrote:

Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.

Comments most welcome!


J

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Re: PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Yep, it was hard to avoid that window: shooting more from the side would 
overimpose the scepter onto the body.


Igor

PS. I realized that I was wrong. This must be a king, or, rather a Czar, 
given the location. :-)



 Ken Waller Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:58:47 -0700 wrote:

I like it except for the inclusion of the window on the LH side.
Clever assemblage.

 Jack Davis Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:57:09 -0700 wrote:

Love this, Igor. A terrific image!
Might have shot around the window?

J

On Fri, 14 Oct 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:




... of an eState (or iState?):
http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg

(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).

Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in 
Chelyabinsk, Russia).


It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.

Igor




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Re: USA PDML meetups

2016-10-14 Thread Christine Aguila
Sounds good!  I’ll put your numbers in my contact list.  I’ve sent some 
suggestions via our email thread off list.  Looking forward to meeting you 
guys!  Cheers, Christine


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Re: Liverpool GESO: Time to play "Spot the Cormorant"

2016-10-14 Thread Mark Roberts
Henk Terhell wrote:

>Very nice pics.
>
>Are the liver birds on the towers cormorants?

Yes, basically.

>Op 2016-10-13 om 15:29 schreef Mark Roberts:
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Re: PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread Ken Waller
I like it except for the inclusion of the window on the LH side.
Clever assemblage.


-Original Message-
>From: Igor PDML-StR 
>Subject: PESO - Crown Prince 
>
>
>
>... of an eState (or iState?):
>http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg
>
>(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).
>
>Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in 
>Chelyabinsk, Russia).
>
>It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.
>
>Igor


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Re: PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis

Love this, Igor. A terrific image!
Might have shot around the window?

J

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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 9:39:30 AM
Subject: PESO - Crown Prince 



... of an eState (or iState?):
http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg

(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).

Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in 
Chelyabinsk, Russia).

It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.

Igor


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Peso-Mallard Hen's Dilemma

2016-10-14 Thread Jack Davis

Shot a few days ago at Colusa Ntl Refuge.

Comments most welcome!

J

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PESO - Crown Prince

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR



... of an eState (or iState?):
http://42graphy.org/misc/CrownPrince_IR34891.jpg

(Some assumed nudity is involved, but it is SFW).

Taken on the grounds of the State Museum of History of South Urals (in 
Chelyabinsk, Russia).


It is more of a fun shot, but all comments and critique are welcome.

Igor


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Re: Liverpool GESO: Time to play "Spot the Cormorant"

2016-10-14 Thread Henk Terhell

Very nice pics.

Are the liver birds on the towers cormorants?

Henk

Op 2016-10-13 om 15:29 schreef Mark Roberts:

http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/liverpool/index.html
  



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Re: GESO: The Master at Work

2016-10-14 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Photos don't lie. ;)


Daniel J. Matyola Fri, 14 Oct 2016 03:33:43 -0700 wrote:

I see he was lying down on the job there.


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On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Chris Mitchell 
wrote:


Mark doing his thing in Liverpool

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Liverpool16/

Chris



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Re: OT: Tablets or Pads

2016-10-14 Thread Bill

On 10/14/2016 1:38 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:



And for the record, always go red squirrel - even though the bristles on
the greys are better...



My little buddy was a brown, and as big as a smallish cat. Word on the 
street is it was a squirrel mafia hit.


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Re: GESO: The Master at Work

2016-10-14 Thread Larry Colen



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I see he was lying down on the job there.


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On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Chris Mitchell
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Mark doing his thing in Liverpool

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Liverpool16/


If only we could match your photos up with the ones that he was taking.




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Re: GESO: The Master at Work

2016-10-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I see he was lying down on the job there.


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> Mark doing his thing in Liverpool
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Re: OT: Tablets or Pads

2016-10-14 Thread Steve Cottrell
I ditched my iPhone about a year ago for a BlackBerry Classic and
haven't looked back :-)  No nagging update messages, it does everything
I need a phone to do (calls, texts, email and some web). I have an iPad
Mini 2 for other stuff and it works just fine for what I need a bigger
screen for (navigating, banking, music, pics, web etc). And the MacBook
Pro for the big stuff.

The BB syncs all my contacts and dates with the other devices really
well and has loads of things an iPhone doesn't, like *expandable memory*
(holy mackerel) and a real tactile keyboard. Going from Palms to iPhone
in 2007 I didn't realise how much I disliked a virtual keyboard until I
left it behind.

And for the record, always go red squirrel - even though the bristles on
the greys are better...

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Re: Liverpool GESO: Time to play "Spot the Cormorant"

2016-10-14 Thread mike wilson
Looks like one on the small, angled, white part of the building in Liverpool
Pastiche.  Unless it's an over-imbibed PDML-er.

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