Re: November PUG is up

[Ken Waller]

Thanks for the comments Bob and yes its better to maximize the minimalism.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bob W-PDML" 

Subject: Re: November PUG is up



Gets top scores from me too. Great stuff.

I don't think ever seen so much minimalism. Is it better to have more 
minimalism, or less?


On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:40, Ken Waller  wrote:

"At White Sands" by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my 
taste.


Thanks Dan, glad you liked it.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 


Subject: Re: November PUG is up



It is a nice gallery, with several very interesting and pleasing
interpretations of the theme.

I also like Don's "Snowfog" a lot, but perhaps my favorite is "Wiggle" 
by

Brian Walters.  Very minimalist, very well seen, and very well composed.
"At White Sands"
by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my taste.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:


G'day all,

I think Dan has the most literal interpretation of this month's theme 
:-)

but,
overall Don's 'Snowfog' is my favourite closely followed by Pat's 'Sea 
&

Sky'
and Mark's 'Aero'.

All very enjoyable - view here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery,
let me know.

+

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Re: November PUG is up

[Alan C]

Maximise the mini?

Does this non-Pentax image fit the bill?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/38231379371/

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Bob W-PDML

Sent: 7 November, 2017 12:39 AM
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Gets top scores from me too. Great stuff.

I don't think ever seen so much minimalism. Is it better to have more 
minimalism, or less?


On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:40, Ken Waller  wrote:

"At White Sands" by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my 
taste.


Thanks Dan, glad you liked it.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 


Subject: Re: November PUG is up



It is a nice gallery, with several very interesting and pleasing
interpretations of the theme.

I also like Don's "Snowfog" a lot, but perhaps my favorite is "Wiggle" by
Brian Walters.  Very minimalist, very well seen, and very well composed.
"At White Sands"
by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my taste.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:


G'day all,

I think Dan has the most literal interpretation of this month's theme 
:-)

but,
overall Don's 'Snowfog' is my favourite closely followed by Pat's 'Sea &
Sky'
and Mark's 'Aero'.

All very enjoyable - view here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery,
let me know.

+

Next up: 'National Parks'.

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http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

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Cheers

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Re: November PUG is up

[Bob W-PDML]

Gets top scores from me too. Great stuff.

I don't think ever seen so much minimalism. Is it better to have more 
minimalism, or less?

On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:40, Ken Waller  wrote:

>> "At White Sands" by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my taste.
> 
> Thanks Dan, glad you liked it.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> Subject: Re: November PUG is up
> 
> 
>> It is a nice gallery, with several very interesting and pleasing
>> interpretations of the theme.
>> 
>> I also like Don's "Snowfog" a lot, but perhaps my favorite is "Wiggle" by
>> Brian Walters.  Very minimalist, very well seen, and very well composed.
>> "At White Sands"
>> by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my taste.
>> 
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Brian Walters 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> G'day all,
>>> 
>>> I think Dan has the most literal interpretation of this month's theme :-)
>>> but,
>>> overall Don's 'Snowfog' is my favourite closely followed by Pat's 'Sea &
>>> Sky'
>>> and Mark's 'Aero'.
>>> 
>>> All very enjoyable - view here:
>>> 
>>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>>> 
>>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
>>> there).
>>> 
>>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>>> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
>>> gallery,
>>> let me know.
>>> 
>>> +
>>> 
>>> Next up: 'National Parks'.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>>> 
>>> You can submit here:
>>> 
>>> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Brian
> 
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Re: November PUG is up

[Ken Waller]

"At White Sands" by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my 
taste.


Thanks Dan, glad you liked it.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Daniel J. Matyola" 

Subject: Re: November PUG is up



It is a nice gallery, with several very interesting and pleasing
interpretations of the theme.

I also like Don's "Snowfog" a lot, but perhaps my favorite is "Wiggle" by
Brian Walters.  Very minimalist, very well seen, and very well composed.
"At White Sands"
by Ken Waller is also outstanding, to my eye and my taste.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 4:52 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:


G'day all,

I think Dan has the most literal interpretation of this month's theme :-)
but,
overall Don's 'Snowfog' is my favourite closely followed by Pat's 'Sea &
Sky'
and Mark's 'Aero'.

All very enjoyable - view here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery,
let me know.

+

Next up: 'National Parks'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers

Brian



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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Thanks much, Ann!
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
> scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just resting 
> it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> I just took a look at what the camera
>> chose for this shot and found. It to
>> have been 640.
>> Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
>> they could be.(?)
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>> 
>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>>> Bright Sun.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>> 
>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>> manually?
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>> To: PDML
>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>> 
>>> C? Thanks!
>>> 
>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Well put, Ann. I yelled up at him and
asked about the whereabouts of his
left leg and was promptly shown
the foot with one toe sticking 
straight up. 8-o
Love your always unique comments.
J
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:00 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
> scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just resting 
> it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> I just took a look at what the camera
>> chose for this shot and found. It to
>> have been 640.
>> Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
>> they could be.(?)
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>> 
>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>>> Bright Sun.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>> 
>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>> manually?
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>> To: PDML
>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>> 
>>> C? Thanks!
>>> 
>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[ann sanfedele]

Hawk on a stick - yeah the blue sky is perfect.. Hawk looks like he is 
scratching himself with other claw hidden by feather, or is he just 
resting it? He's a sweetheart, nice grab


ann

On 11/6/2017 11:32 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

I just took a look at what the camera
chose for this shot and found. It to
have been 640.
Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
they could be.(?)

J


Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should be 
500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than Bright 
Sun.

I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. Next 
time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. Perhaps the 
metering mode makes some difference too?

Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[ann sanfedele]

Paul - out west in the high desert it can be more like sunny 22 :-)\

ann

On 11/6/2017 10:33 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 11 
is much closer to the truth.



On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should be 
500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than Bright 
Sun.

I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. Next 
time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. Perhaps the 
metering mode makes some difference too?

Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Alan C]

Paul

I am just south of the tropic. Sunny 16 is right in summertime but probably 
Sunny 11 in "winter". I would expect ISO's of about 1000 but am actually 
getting up to twice that. I hate tripods.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stenquist

Sent: 6 November, 2017 5:33 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 
11 is much closer to the truth.




On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO 
should be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally 
less than Bright Sun.


I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?


Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

I just took a look at what the camera
chose for this shot and found. It to
have been 640.
Wonder if the lens length and light angle are factors. Seems as though
they could be.(?)

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
> 
> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
> Bright Sun.
> 
> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
> 
> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
> manually?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
> J
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Yes, I do, but you may have noticed,
I don't do it with any regularity.
Appreciated, Alan!
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
> 
> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
> Bright Sun.
> 
> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
> 
> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
> manually?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
> J
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Much appreciated Paul!

J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Excellent shot of a handsome bird.
> Paul
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Hand held!
That TAV setting is my standard.
Dependable for wing shots as well.
I was hoping for him to take off and
waited for a bit in case.
Thanks again.

J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Is this handheld? If shooting a perched bird off a tripod or even a monopod, 
> I find that 1/500th is all that’s necessary. I do go to 1/1000th  or even 
> 1/2000th for handheld shots with big glass.
> 
> 
> Paul
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Guess I should thank "spell correct."
A mystery how it got so far off??

Thanks for commenting, John!
J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:01 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I'll bet whatever the camera did that sky is a perfect 18% gray in B
> 
>> On 11/6/2017 10:33, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 
>> 11 is much closer to the truth.
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>>> 
>>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>>> Bright Sun.
>>> 
>>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>>> 
>>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>>> manually?
>>> 
>>> Alan C
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>>> To: PDML
>>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>>> 
>>> C? Thanks!
>>> 
>>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Hi, Paul. You gotta love "spell
correct." How did it get there
from f8???

Thanks for commenting!
J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:33 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 
> 11 is much closer to the truth.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
>> 
>> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
>> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
>> Bright Sun.
>> 
>> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
>> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
>> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
>> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
>> 
>> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
>> manually?
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
>> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
>> To: PDML
>> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[John]

Yeah. I'll bet whatever the camera did that sky is a perfect 18% gray in B

On 11/6/2017 10:33, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 11 
is much closer to the truth.



On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should be 
500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than Bright 
Sun.

I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. Next 
time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. Perhaps the 
metering mode makes some difference too?

Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Jack Davis
Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281




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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Paul Stenquist]

Is this handheld? If shooting a perched bird off a tripod or even a monopod, I 
find that 1/500th is all that’s necessary. I do go to 1/1000th  or even 
1/2000th for handheld shots with big glass.


Paul
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
> J
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Paul Stenquist]

Sunny 16 is rarely a correct exposure in any latitude where I’ve shot. Sunny 11 
is much closer to the truth.


> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.
> 
> I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
> be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
> Bright Sun.
> 
> I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
> ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
> Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
> Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?
> 
> Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
> manually?
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: Jack Davis
> Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
> To: PDML
> Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
> 
> J
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> https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent shot of a handsome bird.
Paul
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
> 
> C? Thanks!
> 
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> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Alan C]

Yes, Jack, he is handsome & well caught.

I did some calcs. using the old Sunny 16 rule, @ 1/2000, f8, the ISO should 
be 500. I see yours is 640 so the light was probably marginally less than 
Bright Sun.


I've been trying the Sigma 170-500 with your 1/2000, f8 formula & find the 
ISO's are going somewhat higher, even in what I would consider Bright Sun. 
Next time I'm going to take my light meter along to get a cross check. 
Perhaps the metering mode makes some difference too?


Also, I see you're using PSE10 so do you put the camera & lens models in 
manually?


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Jack Davis

Sent: 6 November, 2017 2:56 PM
To: PDML
Subject: Peso-Red Shoulder



Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

https://www.photo.net/photo/18434281

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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Much appreciated, Dan!

The large size of that image
surprised me when I checked the
post. 
Recorded size and jpg status were
the usual. (?)

J

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 5:27 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Handsome indeed!!
> 
> I like the arrangement of the branches and how they fit into the image and
> frame the bird.  It makes for a strong composition.  The sky color is
> lovely as rendered.
> 
> 
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> 
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
>> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
>> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
>> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>> 
>> C? Thanks!
>> 
>> DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max
>> 
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Re: Peso-Red Shoulder

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Handsome indeed!!

I like the arrangement of the branches and how they fit into the image and
frame the bird.  It makes for a strong composition.  The sky color is
lovely as rendered.


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>
>
> Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
> Really filling up now with the fall migration.
> Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
> Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)
>
> C? Thanks!
>
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Peso-Red Shoulder

[Jack Davis]

Visited the Sacramento National Refuge yesterday.
Really filling up now with the fall migration.
Absolutely hordes of noisy Snow Geese.
Attaching a handsome hawk. Perhaps a Red Shoulder.(?)

C? Thanks!

DFA, TAV setting, F/8, 2000 shutter, Auto ISO at 1000 max

J

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