PESO: Survivors' Stairs

[Daniel J. Matyola]

During the attacks of September 11, 2001, this stairway served as a vital
route to safety for many people. It is also the sole vestige above ground
of the World Trade Center.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/11/24/survivors-stairs

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Re: OT - Wisdom of the (PDML) crowd..

[ann sanfedele]

Alastair, that is what I do too, now - and have been doing for quite a 
while.. but that puts it in the sent mail folder from me,  not in the 
Inbox... which is where I wan't it.  Then I forward my sent mail to my 
inbox , but then the from is me, not the person who sent it..


ann

On 11/23/2017 7:24 PM, Alastair Robertson wrote:

If you reply to that email most email programmes will show the text of the
original email under your reply.  If your does that you can delete the
original email and the text will be preserved but the attachment won't.

No doubt there are other ways of achieving that outcome - but the above is
the strategy I used when  space is an issue

Alastair

On 24 November 2017 at 10:27, ann sanfedele  wrote:


I keep ALL my emails, except for junk, of course, but sometimes friends
send me attachments that eat up a lot of space or are things I don't
want... but I want to keep the email part of the email...  is there a way
to preserve
the mail in my inbox in thunderbird but delete the attachments?

someone sent me mp3's of music I can't stand anyway and eat up 8 mgs - but
the person who sent them
is dear to me so I want to keep that mail

T I A

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Re: OT - Wisdom of the (PDML) crowd..

[Alastair Robertson]

If you reply to that email most email programmes will show the text of the
original email under your reply.  If your does that you can delete the
original email and the text will be preserved but the attachment won't.

No doubt there are other ways of achieving that outcome - but the above is
the strategy I used when  space is an issue

Alastair

On 24 November 2017 at 10:27, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I keep ALL my emails, except for junk, of course, but sometimes friends
> send me attachments that eat up a lot of space or are things I don't
> want... but I want to keep the email part of the email...  is there a way
> to preserve
> the mail in my inbox in thunderbird but delete the attachments?
>
> someone sent me mp3's of music I can't stand anyway and eat up 8 mgs - but
> the person who sent them
> is dear to me so I want to keep that mail
>
> T I A
>
> ann
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Re: OT: Coffee

[Jack Davis]

If I ever run into illy I'll try it. If I
like Yuban better, I'll be asking 
you for my money back. :-(/) 

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I'm sure Yuban is still available here, I just never look for it anymore.
> 
> illy is the coffee served everywhere in Italy, where coffee is a religion.
> No other commercial -- or "artisanal "-- coffee rivals it.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank good ness I live in CA.! :-)
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 23, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen Yuban for decades.  I am addicted to illy.
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
 On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jack Davis 
>> wrote:
 
 Me too, Dan, but only black Yuban!
 
 J
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> 
> I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  
> 
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> 
>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
>> 
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
>> 
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Re: OT: Coffee

[ann sanfedele]

Illy is wonderful , but way out of my price range...

I get my coffee from New Mexico Pinion Coffee Co in New Mexico if I 
order 10 lbs it is only $7.50 a pound and shipping is free.. I get 
traditional pinon , 5 lbs each of caf and decaf...  This started because 
Trader Joes stopped
selling the Whole Bean New Mexico Pinion and also dropped a decaf I 
liked...


ann

On 11/23/2017 5:57 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I'm sure Yuban is still available here, I just never look for it anymore.

illy is the coffee served everywhere in Italy, where coffee is a religion.
No other commercial -- or "artisanal "-- coffee rivals it.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:


Thank good ness I live in CA.! :-)

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 23, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 

wrote:

I haven't seen Yuban for decades.  I am addicted to illy.

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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jack Davis 

wrote:

Me too, Dan, but only black Yuban!

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 

wrote:

I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  

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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John 

wrote:

BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278


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Re: OT: Coffee

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I'm sure Yuban is still available here, I just never look for it anymore.

illy is the coffee served everywhere in Italy, where coffee is a religion.
No other commercial -- or "artisanal "-- coffee rivals it.

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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Thank good ness I live in CA.! :-)
>
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 23, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > I haven't seen Yuban for decades.  I am addicted to illy.
> >
> > Dan Matyola
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> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jack Davis 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Me too, Dan, but only black Yuban!
> >>
> >> J
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
>  On Nov 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  
> >>>
> >>> Dan Matyola
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>  On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John 
> wrote:
> 
>  BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
> 
>  http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
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Re: OT: Coffee

[Jack Davis]

Thank good ness I live in CA.! :-)

J

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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen Yuban for decades.  I am addicted to illy.
> 
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>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> Me too, Dan, but only black Yuban!
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
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 On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John  wrote:
 
 BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
 
 http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
 
 
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Re: OT: Coffee

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I haven't seen Yuban for decades.  I am addicted to illy.

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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Me too, Dan, but only black Yuban!
>
> J
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  
> >
> > Dan Matyola
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> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John  wrote:
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> >> BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
> >>
> >> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[mike wilson]

> On 23 November 2017 at 20:17 Jostein <p...@alunfoto.no> wrote:
> 
> 
> William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. 
> Today I did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.
> 
> The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, and 
> over all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.
> 
> My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over from 
> my last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but those 
> facet eyes are great for testing stuff anyway.
> 
> I put a small version up on Flickr: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/
> 
> There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep some 
> pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.
> 
> http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

The full size one is pretty impressive.  How many layers?

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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[John]

It's pretty cool, but I'd also be interested in seeing what the equipment setup 
looks like.

On 11/23/2017 15:17, Jostein wrote:

William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. Today I 
did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.

The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, and over 
all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.

My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over from my 
last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but those facet eyes are 
great for testing stuff anyway.

I put a small version up on Flickr: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/

There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep some 
pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.

http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

Jostein




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OT - Wisdom of the (PDML) crowd..

[ann sanfedele]

I keep ALL my emails, except for junk, of course, but sometimes friends 
send me attachments that eat up a lot of space or are things I don't 
want... but I want to keep the email part of the email...  is there a 
way to preserve

the mail in my inbox in thunderbird but delete the attachments?

someone sent me mp3's of music I can't stand anyway and eat up 8 mgs - 
but the person who sent them

is dear to me so I want to keep that mail

T I A

ann

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Re: 645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[ann sanfedele]

Looks like a alien speeding through space!
fun :-)

ann

On 11/23/2017 3:17 PM, Jostein wrote:
William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. 
Today I did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.


The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, 
and over all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.


My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over 
from my last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but 
those facet eyes are great for testing stuff anyway.


I put a small version up on Flickr: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/


There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep 
some pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.


http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

Jostein




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645 Bellows test run (PESO)

[Jostein]

William Robb recently helped me aquire a bellows for the 645 system. 
Today I did a test run with stacking, and am a very happy camper.


The bellows is a very nicely constructed piece of kit. Very stable, and 
over all well machined. Pentax really knows how to make good bellows.


My test run subject was a dried-up specimen of a hoverfly left over from 
my last project several weeks ago. It didn't look pretty, but those 
facet eyes are great for testing stuff anyway.


I put a small version up on Flickr: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/26828163809/in/album-72157651227461041/


There's a full version (38 MB) on my website if anyone wish to peep some 
pixels, I'll leave it there for a week or so.


http://www.alunfoto.no/temp/20171123-0001-0101%20ZS%20PMax-full.jpg

Jostein

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Re: OT: Coffee

[Paul Sorenson]

Yup... the stronger, the better.

-p


On 11/23/2017 11:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John  wrote:


BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278


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Re: Happy Thanksgiving

[Paul Sorenson]

Same to you, John...and to all who are celebrating the Thanksgiving holiday

-p


On 11/23/2017 11:12 AM, John wrote:
If it's a holiday where you are or if it's not, Happy Thanksgiving, 
y'all.




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Re: OT: Coffee

[Jack Davis]

Me too, Dan, but only black Yuban!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  
> 
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>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
>> 
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
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Re: OT: Coffee

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I will drink it whether the "experts" say its good for me or not.  

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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:19 PM, John  wrote:

> BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
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Re: OT: Coffee

[ann sanfedele]

That's not a new story.. been hearing about it for ages - though it 
started with "coffee is not bad for you" I think.


Me -I'm a two to three cups of caffeinated a day and three to 4 cups of 
decaf (after 2 pm I do decaf)
dont drink, dont smoke .. don't have any of them nasty diseases .. knock 
wood.


I'm very happy to see something I love is healthy... I would never want 
to be without it.


ann

On 11/23/2017 12:19 PM, John wrote:

BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278





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OT: Coffee

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BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.

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If it's a holiday where you are or if it's not, Happy Thanksgiving, y'all.

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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Jack Davis]

Good'n, Ken.

J

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> "I thought the Russians were responsible."
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Re: OT What is art

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Oh, my God!

"Premium, hand crafted firewood."  How did I ever live without it?


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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/TBb9O-aW4zI
>
>
> On 23 Nov 2017, at 13:23, Daniel J. Matyola > wrote:
>
> I always resent the word "artisanal" and the pretension it carries.
>
> It doesn't 'carry', it 'portages'. You're not curating your words lovingly
> enough.
>
>
> Love this!
>
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> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 5:56 AM, Larry Colen  red4est.com>> wrote:
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> It seems that
> art is anal cheese
>
> https://pizzabottle.com/59679-what-is-art/
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Re: OT What is art

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You could say that art is a constant disproof of attempts to define it.

> On 23 Nov 2017, at 14:40, Zos Xavius  wrote:
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> The modern definition of art has radically changed. I think Warhol's
> definition is probably most appropriate now: "Art is what you get away
> with."
> 
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Re: OT What is art

[Bob W-PDML]

https://youtu.be/TBb9O-aW4zI


On 23 Nov 2017, at 13:23, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:

I always resent the word "artisanal" and the pretension it carries.

It doesn't 'carry', it 'portages'. You're not curating your words lovingly 
enough.


Love this!


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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 5:56 AM, Larry Colen 
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It seems that
art is anal cheese

https://pizzabottle.com/59679-what-is-art/


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Re: OT What is art

[ann sanfedele]

Happily, I think, that page didn't load
ann

On 11/23/2017 5:56 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

It seems that
art is anal cheese

https://pizzabottle.com/59679-what-is-art/




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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Ken Waller]

I thought the Russians were responsible.

-Original Message-
>From: ann sanfedele 
>Subject: Re: meta-topic Posting style
>
>
>
>On 11/22/2017 3:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>> Jack seemed to be confused by the way his email reader handles email 
>> attributions. This harkens back to a debate that's been going on for 
>> at least 30 years on posting style.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>
>> Here is the standard explanation of why top posting is bad
>>
>> Why I hate top-posting
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?
>>
>> Until eternal September, interleaved replies, with added cruft 
>> deleted, were considered the proper and polite way to respond to email 
>> or usenet posts.
>>
>annsan replies... just to be clear...
>
>Wonder how much reading and sending email using a phone presents a 
>problem.. I have frequently seen emails sent to
>list where the person who quotes something from someone elses post gets 
>credited or blamed for the original person's
>post... most frequently here people misattributing photos to someone 
>else...  .
>
>another thing that happens is the link to a photo being discussed has 
>been stripped off by someone's server .
>
>Whenever I have correspondance with ebay customers, or other business 
>stuff, they insist on top posting.. "please respond above the line"  The 
>form in ebay messages is set up that way.
>
>I blame society
>
>ann

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Re: OT What is art

[Zos Xavius]

The modern definition of art has radically changed. I think Warhol's
definition is probably most appropriate now: "Art is what you get away
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Re: OT What is art

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I always resent the word "artisanal" and the pretension it carries.

Love this!


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> art is anal cheese
>
> https://pizzabottle.com/59679-what-is-art/
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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Jack Davis]

Agree!

J

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> On Nov 23, 2017, at 4:45 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> When I respond on my phone, the cursor always appears in a top posting 
> position. I see no reason to futz woith it.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 4:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/22/2017 3:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jack seemed to be confused by the way his email reader handles email 
>>> attributions. This harkens back to a debate that's been going on for at 
>>> least 30 years on posting style.
>>> 
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>> 
>>> Here is the standard explanation of why top posting is bad
>>> 
>>> Why I hate top-posting
>>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>>> A: Top-posting.
>>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?
>>> 
>>> Until eternal September, interleaved replies, with added cruft deleted, 
>>> were considered the proper and polite way to respond to email or usenet 
>>> posts.
>> annsan replies... just to be clear...
>> 
>> Wonder how much reading and sending email using a phone presents a problem.. 
>> I have frequently seen emails sent to
>> list where the person who quotes something from someone elses post gets 
>> credited or blamed for the original person's
>> post... most frequently here people misattributing photos to someone else... 
>>  .
>> 
>> another thing that happens is the link to a photo being discussed has been 
>> stripped off by someone's server .
>> 
>> Whenever I have correspondance with ebay customers, or other business stuff, 
>> they insist on top posting.. "please respond above the line"  The form in 
>> ebay messages is set up that way.
>> 
>> I blame society
>> 
>> ann
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Re: meta-topic Posting style

[Paul Stenquist]

When I respond on my phone, the cursor always appears in a top posting 
position. I see no reason to futz woith it.

Paul

> On Nov 22, 2017, at 4:10 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> 
> 
>> On 11/22/2017 3:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> Jack seemed to be confused by the way his email reader handles email 
>> attributions. This harkens back to a debate that's been going on for at 
>> least 30 years on posting style.
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>> 
>> Here is the standard explanation of why top posting is bad
>> 
>> Why I hate top-posting
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail and USENET?
>> 
>> Until eternal September, interleaved replies, with added cruft deleted, were 
>> considered the proper and polite way to respond to email or usenet posts.
>> 
> annsan replies... just to be clear...
> 
> Wonder how much reading and sending email using a phone presents a problem.. 
> I have frequently seen emails sent to
> list where the person who quotes something from someone elses post gets 
> credited or blamed for the original person's
> post... most frequently here people misattributing photos to someone else...  
> .
> 
> another thing that happens is the link to a photo being discussed has been 
> stripped off by someone's server .
> 
> Whenever I have correspondance with ebay customers, or other business stuff, 
> they insist on top posting.. "please respond above the line"  The form in 
> ebay messages is set up that way.
> 
> I blame society
> 
> ann
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OT What is art

[Larry Colen]

It seems that
art is anal cheese

https://pizzabottle.com/59679-what-is-art/

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