RE: in case you want to feel old

2018-03-19 Thread John Coyle
I recognize about half the names!  I am surprised that Valentin's list is still 
live.


John in Brisbane



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I found this list -- last updated 1 March 1999 ...

http://www.phred.org/~alex/pdlist.html

Funny, very few of the links work anymore. No Poodles used to be at
http://www.serifcities.com/site/W00030/intro.html


On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you 
> find out otherwise.
>
> No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in 1998.
> It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the 
> internet dump.
>
> On 3/18/18 2:07 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>>
>> On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
>>
>>
>> I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy 
>> be
>>
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Re: PESOx2: A couple from yesterday (Wrap up)

2018-03-19 Thread Alan C

Thanks Dan, Paul & Subash

The Nyala shot is about an 80% crop. The HD 55-300 did an amazing job here. 
I waited for ages for the Nyala to turn around but he just kept his head 
down munching those plants on the river bank.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Subash Jeyan

Sent: 19 March, 2018 5:28 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESOx2: A couple from yesterday

nice Alan, though i'd have liked to see more of the face of the Nyala
bull...

~subash




On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:55:29 +0200
"Alan C"  wrote:


A Nyala bull & tick bird. Olifants river about 100m below the high up
viewpoint at the camp. Very similar to a Kudu with longer hair &
orange lower legs.

Scroll R for an impressive big tusker near Masorini Archaeological
site.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/4316205/in/dateposted-public/





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Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Alan C

Agree.

Alan C

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From: Subash Jeyan

Sent: 20 March, 2018 3:16 AM
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Subject: Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

very nice Jack. the light and the composition work beautifully...

~subash

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:33 -0700 (PDT)
Jack Davis  wrote:


Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.

Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.

It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors




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Re: OT: Nissan snowmobile

2018-03-19 Thread Alan C

Very impressive. Possibly that "kit" could be used on other cars too?

Alan C

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This looks like fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HQQ4SvHchk

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OT: Nissan snowmobile

2018-03-19 Thread Bill

This looks like fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HQQ4SvHchk

bill

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Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Jack Davis
Nice of you, Subash. Thanks!

J

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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
> 
> very nice Jack. the light and the composition work beautifully...
> 
> ~subash
> 
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:33 -0700 (PDT)
> Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
>> Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.
>> 
>> Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.
>> 
>> It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors
> 
>> 
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18463060
> 
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Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Jack Davis
Another nice birdwhat? HA!

J

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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Another nice bird shit!
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.
>> 
>> Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.
>> 
>> It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors
>> 
>> to come a little later.
>> 
>> One of my favorite designs and voices.
>> 
>> 
>> C&C?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
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Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Subash Jeyan
very nice Jack. the light and the composition work beautifully...

~subash

On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:47:33 -0700 (PDT)
Jack Davis  wrote:

> Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.
> 
> Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.
> 
> It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors

> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18463060


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Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Another nice bird shit!

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

>
>
> Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.
>
> Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.
>
> It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors
>
> to come a little later.
>
> One of my favorite designs and voices.
>
>
> C&C?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> J
>
>
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Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Paul!

J

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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 12:55 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> A pleasant scene as well as a nice bird pic.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.
>> 
>> Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.
>> 
>> It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors
>> 
>> to come a little later.
>> 
>> One of my favorite designs and voices.
>> 
>> 
>> C&C?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> 
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Re: Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
A pleasant scene as well as a nice bird pic.

Paul

> On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.
> 
> Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.
> 
> It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors
> 
> to come a little later.
> 
> One of my favorite designs and voices.
> 
> 
> C&C?
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> J
> 
> 
> https://www.photo.net/photo/18463060
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Peso-Brand New Meadowlark

2018-03-19 Thread Jack Davis


Beautiful, still, bright, morning and I felt I had to put it to use.

Attaching a shot of a Brand New 2018 Meadowlark.

It has the song (that's why I sought him out) but striking colors

to come a little later.

One of my favorite designs and voices.


C&C?


Thanks!


J


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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-19 Thread Ken Waller
It seems to me that color is more suited to nature photography than B+W, 
especially with closer more intimate subjects found in nature. The iconic 
B+W shots of grand landscapes are sometimes more suited to B+W simply 
because of the simple subject, composition and lighting of those images.


I've also attended numerous outdoor workshops and cannot remember any B+W 
images in show & tell/critique sessions.



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I think color easily detracts from an image. Many of my own personal 
favorites are monochromatic.


A few years ago I took several Nature Photography Workshops. As is typical 
in such workshops, participants were invited to bring along a few of their 
own favorites for show and tell and critique. The 2nd or 3rd time I 
included a shot of a waterfall we visited at least once during every 
workshop. Rendered in B&W. Which got quite a bit of (mostly negative) 
comment. Then I showed the color version and explained that I felt the 
bright green moss in the center foreground transformed my waterfall 
composition into an image of bright green moss. Not sure I made many 
converts but for me I still think the bright color was a distraction from 
the scene I wanted to portray.


But sometimes color is the subject. E.g., faded paint on old buildings. 
Even there, for me, a narrow palette of colors, if not monochromatic, 
works best.



stan


On Mar 16, 2018, at 6:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

when I was shooting film, I shot interesting subjects in both BW and 
chrome when I could.Then I could decided later.. and also had backup if

one or the other rolls of film met a premature demise.

I like bw for documetary work & street shots and when the color is 
irrelevant and/or just gets in the way.I think color is much harder than 
black and white although it often
appears to be easier...Never thought about bw being necessarily dreamy or 
romantic, I usually like my bw more contrasty and color much less so...


bottom line - unless the color is pleasing to me and enhances what I've 
shot, I prefer black and white. Of course my nature photography is almost 
all in color as it
informs... the colors are as much the subject as the objects 
photographed.


ann


On 3/16/2018 3:18 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
For me the choice of black and white over color is more about mood and 
expression rather than a need to parse the photos elements. BW is 
subtle, romantic and laid back. Color is vibrant active and alive. Of 
course there are degrees of expression within each genre. Punchy, high 
contrast BW moves toward vibrant while muted color approaches subtle. It’s 
all about what one wants a photo to say.


Paul


On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:


One of the nice things about digital photography is being able to 
choose after the fact whether to process a photo as color or black and 
white. Technically, I suppose that was also possible with color film, 
not that it was often done.


Sometimes photos work as color, black and white, an some look great for 
different reasons in both.


Since the most effective way to promote discussion on the net is to 
post something that people disagree with, I'll mention some of my 
thoughts on the subject.


For me it boils down to contrast, and whether you want to emphasize or 
demphasize something.  Generally, I want to deemphasize anything in a 
photo that doesn't make a significant improvement, and I want to 
emphasize things that do look good.  Sometimes color differences will 
make something stand out.  If that's your subject, great, if it's a 
random bit in the background, less so. Similarly often things with 
different colors will have similar tonality, so converting to black and 
white can deemphasize them. Likewise, by tweaking the response to 
different colors in the conversion you can increase or decrease the 
emphasis.


Thoughts? Expansion? Arguments?

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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-19 Thread John Francis
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:37:44AM -0400, Stanley Halpin wrote:
> I think color easily detracts from an image. Many of my own personal 
> favorites are monochromatic.

That's a (perfectly valid) personal viewpoint, of course.  Not everyone thinks 
that way.

My wife finds that monochrome detracts from an image, because the world isn't 
like that.
It emphasises that she is looking at an artistic creation, not at a true 
representation.

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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

2018-03-19 Thread Stanley Halpin
I think color easily detracts from an image. Many of my own personal favorites 
are monochromatic.

A few years ago I took several Nature Photography Workshops. As is typical in 
such workshops, participants were invited to bring along a few of their own 
favorites for show and tell and critique. The 2nd or 3rd time I included a shot 
of a waterfall we visited at least once during every workshop. Rendered in B&W. 
Which got quite a bit of (mostly negative) comment. Then I showed the color 
version and explained that I felt the bright green moss in the center 
foreground transformed my waterfall composition into an image of bright green 
moss. Not sure I made many converts but for me I still think the bright color 
was a distraction from the scene I wanted to portray.

But sometimes color is the subject. E.g., faded paint on old buildings. Even 
there, for me, a narrow palette of colors, if not monochromatic, works best.


stan

> On Mar 16, 2018, at 6:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> when I was shooting film, I shot interesting subjects in both BW and chrome 
> when I could.Then I could decided later.. and also had backup if
> one or the other rolls of film met a premature demise.
> 
> I like bw for documetary work & street shots and when the color is irrelevant 
> and/or just gets in the way.I think color is much harder than black and white 
> although it often
> appears to be easier...Never thought about bw being necessarily dreamy or 
> romantic, I usually like my bw more contrasty and color much less so...
> 
> bottom line - unless the color is pleasing to me and enhances what I've shot, 
> I prefer black and white. Of course my nature photography is almost all in 
> color as it
> informs... the colors are as much the subject as the objects photographed.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 3/16/2018 3:18 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> For me the choice of black and white over color is more about mood and 
>> expression rather than a need to parse the photos elements. BW is subtle, 
>> romantic and laid back. Color is vibrant active and alive. Of course there 
>> are degrees of expression within each genre. Punchy, high contrast BW moves 
>> toward vibrant while muted color approaches subtle. It’s all about what one 
>> wants a photo to say.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One of the nice things about digital photography is being able to choose 
>>> after the fact whether to process a photo as color or black and white. 
>>> Technically, I suppose that was also possible with color film, not that it 
>>> was often done.
>>> 
>>> Sometimes photos work as color, black and white, an some look great for 
>>> different reasons in both.
>>> 
>>> Since the most effective way to promote discussion on the net is to post 
>>> something that people disagree with, I'll mention some of my thoughts on 
>>> the subject.
>>> 
>>> For me it boils down to contrast, and whether you want to emphasize or 
>>> demphasize something.  Generally, I want to deemphasize anything in a photo 
>>> that doesn't make a significant improvement, and I want to emphasize things 
>>> that do look good.  Sometimes color differences will make something stand 
>>> out.  If that's your subject, great, if it's a random bit in the 
>>> background, less so. Similarly often things with different colors will have 
>>> similar tonality, so converting to black and white can deemphasize them. 
>>> Likewise, by tweaking the response to different colors in the conversion 
>>> you can increase or decrease the emphasis.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts? Expansion? Arguments?
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> 
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Re: PESOx2: A couple from yesterday

2018-03-19 Thread Subash Jeyan
nice Alan, though i'd have liked to see more of the face of the Nyala
bull...

~subash




On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:55:29 +0200
"Alan C"  wrote:

> A Nyala bull & tick bird. Olifants river about 100m below the high up 
> viewpoint at the camp. Very similar to a Kudu with longer hair &
> orange lower legs.
> 
> Scroll R for an impressive big tusker near Masorini Archaeological
> site.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/4316205/in/dateposted-public/
> 



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Re: PESO Looking His Best

2018-03-19 Thread Alan C
Textbook image. Perhaps not colourful but nevertheless immaculate. Some 
birders concentrate on difficult SBJ's.


Alan C

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From: Paul Stenquist

Sent: 18 March, 2018 8:51 PM
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Subject: PESO Looking His Best

Junkos are generally not attractive birds. The females are just about solid 
grey and they dig around on the ground for the seeds other birds drop. The 
males are only a little bit better looking. All of them head north as soon 
as the weather turns warm here.  This guy is somewhat of an exception. He 
has some nice feathers and he perched on a branch for me. He even caught a 
bit of a catch light from a sky reflection.


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Re: PESOx2: A couple from yesterday

2018-03-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Very well done, and quite interesting.


Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> A Nyala bull & tick bird. Olifants river about 100m below the high up
> viewpoint at the camp. Very similar to a Kudu with longer hair & orange
> lower legs.
>
> Scroll R for an impressive big tusker near Masorini Archaeological site.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/4316205/in/da
> teposted-public/
>
> K5 with the HD 55-300
>
> Alan C
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Re: PESO Looking His Best

2018-03-19 Thread Jack Davis

Well caught, Paul.

J

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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 8:59 PM, Subash Jeyan  wrote:
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> very nice Paul...
> 
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:51:32 -0400
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>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18462845/
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Re: PESOx2: A couple from yesterday

2018-03-19 Thread Jack Davis
Great clarity, as usual, Alan.

J

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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Alan C  wrote:
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> A Nyala bull & tick bird. Olifants river about 100m below the high up 
> viewpoint at the camp. Very similar to a Kudu with longer hair & orange lower 
> legs.
> 
> Scroll R for an impressive big tusker near Masorini Archaeological site.
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> https://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/4316205/in/dateposted-public/
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> K5 with the HD 55-300
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Re: PESO A Sign of Spring

2018-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Dan. I’m always happy to get down on the cold wet ground for the first 
snowdrops.

Paul

> On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Good to See!
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> I really like that composition and the fine detail.
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>> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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>> It’s spring in Michigan, and my snowdrops bloomed today. Makes me happy!
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18462879/Snowdrop-3-18-18
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Re: PESOx2: A couple from yesterday

2018-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Fascinating. Nice shots.

Paul

> On Mar 19, 2018, at 2:55 AM, Alan C  wrote:
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> A Nyala bull & tick bird. Olifants river about 100m below the high up 
> viewpoint at the camp. Very similar to a Kudu with longer hair & orange lower 
> legs.
> 
> Scroll R for an impressive big tusker near Masorini Archaeological site.
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