Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread Henk Terhell
A good question. I remember having problems with pop which disappeared 
after changing to imap on my mail accounts.


Henk

Op 2018-05-05 om 20:35 schreef Larry Colen:

On May 5, 2018, at 12:36 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

This is decidedly strange.  I'm suddenly no longer able to retrieve my messages 
from the gmail pop server using Thunderbird. I can still send them using the 
smpt server, but I have to read them on the gmail web page.  Anyone else having 
this problem?

Why are you using POP rather than IMAP?

 SMTP is Simple Mail Transfer Protocol not smpt



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Re: PESOS two pretties

2018-05-05 Thread Alan C
Yes. Almost impossible to get the "perfect" background. The white throated 
sparrow is a fine looking bird.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stenquist

Sent: 5 May, 2018 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: PESOS two pretties

I shoot ‘em where they be!



On May 5, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Excellent captures of the subject birds but the backgrounds are 
distracting - too bright with the Siskin and too cluttered with the 
sparrow.



-Original Message-

From: Paul Stenquist 
Subject: PESOS two pretties

A pine siskin against a background of forsythia
https://www.photo.net/photo/18471628/Pine-Siskin

A white throated sparrow foraging on the ground
https://www.photo.net/photo/18471627/White-Throated-Sparrow



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Re: Ol' Red Eye

2018-05-05 Thread Alan C
The African Terrapins all have smooth shells, unlike your fresh water 
Turtles.


Only the marine species are referred to as Turtles.

Alan C


-Original Message- 
From: Daniel J. Matyola

Sent: 5 May, 2018 8:07 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Ol' Red Eye

I believe that is the case.


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 9:14 AM, John  wrote:


If I understand how it works, all Terrapins are Turtles, but not all
Turtles are Terrapins.

Are you a Turtle?


On 5/5/2018 03:03, Alan C wrote:

Thanks John. Not easy to see in Dan's photo. Then there are Terrapins 
too!


Alan C

-Original Message- From: John
Sent: 5 May, 2018 12:06 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Ol' Red Eye

Difference between turtles and tortoises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPVbcQKGvk

On 5/4/2018 13:35, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Thanks for looking Alan.

It is an eastern box turtle.  While it looks and behaves similar to a
tortoise, it is a pond turtle variety:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_turtle

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Alan C  wrote:

Cute, bashful too! Is that a tortoise or a turtle?


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: 4 May, 2018 6:38 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO: Ol' Red Eye


My dog discovered this critter in our driveway when we returned from 
our

morning walk:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/4/turtle

K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
Comments and criticisms are invited and appreciated.

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Re: PESO: Portrait of Hoot Barred Owl perched

2018-05-05 Thread Alan C
You were fortunate to encounter such an accommodating owl, especially in 
broad daylight.


Alan C

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Subject: PESO: Portrait of Hoot Barred Owl perched

While at Radnor Lake I took the road trail close to the lake first off
early morning on a mission to hopefully get the privilege of seeing
either the otters or the beavers. Well I didn't get that privilege but I
did get to see one of the Barred Owls. Later in the visit and before I
was going to leave I decided to head back around again to see if I could
get lucky and see the owl again. Well to my surprise it was still at the
same spot but just a bit higher up. There is another trail that goes
into the wood above the lake so I took it to get a closer look. While
standing there for a bit the owl decided to fly up beside me on its way
to a nice meal. It was the first time I have been touched by the wings
of a Barred Owl in flight.

This is one of it perched before it was took off:

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/owls-in-nature/eaa2b4fe9

Now for those of you that don't mind seeing what it was eating on, here
is one of it perched a top of a dead tree having a mid morning meal.

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/owls-in-nature/eaa2b4f6e

I am still working on the rest of the images from the visit to Radnor Lake.

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PESO: Portrait of Hoot Barred Owl perched

2018-05-05 Thread PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com
While at Radnor Lake I took the road trail close to the lake first off 
early morning on a mission to hopefully get the privilege of seeing 
either the otters or the beavers. Well I didn't get that privilege but I 
did get to see one of the Barred Owls. Later in the visit and before I 
was going to leave I decided to head back around again to see if I could 
get lucky and see the owl again. Well to my surprise it was still at the 
same spot but just a bit higher up. There is another trail that goes 
into the wood above the lake so I took it to get a closer look. While 
standing there for a bit the owl decided to fly up beside me on its way 
to a nice meal. It was the first time I have been touched by the wings 
of a Barred Owl in flight.


This is one of it perched before it was took off:

http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/owls-in-nature/eaa2b4fe9

Now for those of you that don't mind seeing what it was eating on, here 
is one of it perched a top of a dead tree having a mid morning meal.


http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/owls-in-nature/eaa2b4f6e

I am still working on the rest of the images from the visit to Radnor Lake.

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2018-05-05 Thread lrc
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Re: PESOS two pretties

2018-05-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I shoot ‘em where they be!


> On May 5, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> Excellent captures of the subject birds but the backgrounds are distracting - 
> too bright with the Siskin and too cluttered with the sparrow.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Stenquist 
>> Subject: PESOS two pretties
>> 
>> A pine siskin against a background of forsythia
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18471628/Pine-Siskin
>> 
>> A white throated sparrow foraging on the ground
>> https://www.photo.net/photo/18471627/White-Throated-Sparrow
> 
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Re: PESOS two pretties

2018-05-05 Thread Ken Waller
Excellent captures of the subject birds but the backgrounds are distracting - 
too bright with the Siskin and too cluttered with the sparrow.


-Original Message-
>From: Paul Stenquist 
>Subject: PESOS two pretties
>
>A pine siskin against a background of forsythia
>https://www.photo.net/photo/18471628/Pine-Siskin
>
>A white throated sparrow foraging on the ground
>https://www.photo.net/photo/18471627/White-Throated-Sparrow


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Re: Printing question

2018-05-05 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 5 May 2018, at 20:47, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Mark C  wrote:
>> 
>> Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut color 
>> in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut colors into the 
>> destination color space and also shifts other colors to preserve the 
>> relative differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric could result in 
>> blocked up colors or a loss of color separation,  but it preserves the 
>> accuracy of in gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric colors retain 
>> their relation with each other and avoid getting blocked up, but there can a 
>> loss of color accuracy throughout the image.
>> 
>> A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
>> colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have weird 
>> skin tones with perceptual.
>> 
>> In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
>> perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
>> differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
>> assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte 
>> paper and MK ink.
>> 
> 
> If Mark selected his quotations based on usefulness rather than amusement 
> value, this post would be close to the top of the list.
> 

I thought it was hilarious.


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Re: Printing question

2018-05-05 Thread Larry Colen

> On May 5, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut color 
> in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut colors into the 
> destination color space and also shifts other colors to preserve the relative 
> differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric could result in blocked up 
> colors or a loss of color separation,  but it preserves the accuracy of in 
> gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric colors retain their relation with 
> each other and avoid getting blocked up, but there can a loss of color 
> accuracy throughout the image.
> 
> A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
> colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have weird 
> skin tones with perceptual.
> 
> In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
> perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
> differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
> assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte paper 
> and MK ink.
> 

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Re: From Strobe to Stage Prop

2018-05-05 Thread Paul Sorenson
Never underestimate how poorly some theoretical minds cannot understand 
practical things.  I worked with a guy working on his Masters in EE that 
couldn't understand how to wire a 3-way switch and make it work.


-p


On 5/5/2018 2:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On May 5, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Dale H. Cook  wrote:

At 12:49 PM 5/5/2018, Larry Colen wrote:


Just out of curiosity, do you also happen to be a ham?

No - I have been a commercial operator for nearly 50 years but never an amateur 
operator.

Interesting.  So many people get into things like radio and photography 
professionally as an extension of a personal interest that first has them doing 
it as a hobby.

In college, I was talking to someone in my basic circuits class about the 
lecture on resistor bridges. I commented that they looked like full wave 
rectifiers, but with resistors rather than diodes, and I was blown away that 
someone could be in their second year of Electrical Engineering without already 
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Re: From Strobe to Stage Prop

2018-05-05 Thread Larry Colen

> On May 5, 2018, at 12:03 PM, Dale H. Cook  
> wrote:
> 
> At 12:49 PM 5/5/2018, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> Just out of curiosity, do you also happen to be a ham?
> 
> No - I have been a commercial operator for nearly 50 years but never an 
> amateur operator.

Interesting.  So many people get into things like radio and photography 
professionally as an extension of a personal interest that first has them doing 
it as a hobby.

In college, I was talking to someone in my basic circuits class about the 
lecture on resistor bridges. I commented that they looked like full wave 
rectifiers, but with resistors rather than diodes, and I was blown away that 
someone could be in their second year of Electrical Engineering without already 
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Re: Printing question

2018-05-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks for the clear explanation, Mark! I tried printing the same file twice in 
Relative Colorimetric. Once with Black Point Compensation on and once with it 
off. Hard to see a difference, but with it turned on the print seemed to pick 
up a bit more contrast. I’m leaving it on for now.
Paul

> On May 5, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut color 
> in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut colors into the 
> destination color space and also shifts other colors to preserve the relative 
> differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric could result in blocked up 
> colors or a loss of color separation,  but it preserves the accuracy of in 
> gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric colors retain their relation with 
> each other and avoid getting blocked up, but there can a loss of color 
> accuracy throughout the image.
> 
> A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
> colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have weird 
> skin tones with perceptual.
> 
> In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
> perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
> differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
> assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte paper 
> and MK ink.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> I use Relative Colorimetric without black point compensation. Haven’t really 
>> thought about it for years. My prints are nice. I don’t know if they could 
>> be better. I print on Epson Premium Luster or Exhibition Fiber and use the 
>> ICC profiles. Perhaps I should experiment with other settings?
>> Paul
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mark C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Paul Sorenson wrote:
 Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles what is 
 your preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative colorimetric?  
 Does your choice vary by paper surface?
 
 -p
 
>>> I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't 
>>> change the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot point 
>>> since I very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 01:30 PM 5/5/2018, P. J. Alling wrote:

>Which port are you using.  I'm using the suggested port of 995.

I am as well.

>What version of Eudora are you using?

7.0.1.0.

>What platform?

Win 7 Pro 64-bit.

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PESOS two pretties

2018-05-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
A pine siskin against a background of forsythia
https://www.photo.net/photo/18471628/Pine-Siskin

A white throated sparrow foraging on the ground
https://www.photo.net/photo/18471627/White-Throated-Sparrow

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Re: Printing question

2018-05-05 Thread Mark C
Relative colorimetirc maps out of gamut colors to the nearest in gamut 
color in the desintation color space. Perceptual maps out of gamut 
colors into the destination color space and also shifts other colors to 
preserve the relative differences between them. Relative Colorimetiric 
could result in blocked up colors or a loss of color separation,  but it 
preserves the accuracy of in gamut colors. With Perceptual Colorimetric 
colors retain their relation with each other and avoid getting blocked 
up, but there can a loss of color accuracy throughout the image.


A photo of vibrant flowers might look blocked up printed with relative 
colorimetric, but a photo of a person holding the flowers might have 
weird skin tones with perceptual.


In the tests I did I didn't see much difference between relative and 
perceptual with Epson K3 inks and glossy or luster paper. I saw slight 
differences with Epson enhanced matte paper and preferred perceptual. I 
assume the photo papers and PK inks have a broader gamut than the matte 
paper and MK ink.


Mark



Paul Stenquist wrote:

I use Relative Colorimetric without black point compensation. Haven’t really 
thought about it for years. My prints are nice. I don’t know if they could be 
better. I print on Epson Premium Luster or Exhibition Fiber and use the ICC 
profiles. Perhaps I should experiment with other settings?
Paul


On May 5, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mark C  wrote:

Paul Sorenson wrote:

Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles what is your 
preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative colorimetric?  Does your 
choice vary by paper surface?

-p


I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't change 
the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot point since I 
very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.

Mark

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Re: From Strobe to Stage Prop

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 12:49 PM 5/5/2018, Larry Colen wrote:

>Just out of curiosity, do you also happen to be a ham?

No - I have been a commercial operator for nearly 50 years but never an amateur 
operator.

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Re: From Strobe to Stage Prop

2018-05-05 Thread mike wilson
> On 05 May 2018 at 17:25 "Dale H. Cook"  wrote:
> 
> 
> At 09:48 AM 5/5/2018, Mike Wilson wrote:
> 
> >How are you protecting the operator from (at least) a nasty burn on the 
> >thumb?
> 
> Mike -
> 
> The electronics is in a 2-gang plastic electrical box at the top of the (~ 3 
> foot) pole under the reflector. A  triac trigger has been added to the 
> electronics in the box. The operator is holding the bottom of the pole and is 
> pushing a button carrying 5 volts DC.
> 
> Remember where I have spent my career. I am used to having to try to make 
> things idiot-proof, or as we say in radio engineering, "DJ-proof."

I guessed you wouldn't be running a couple of hundred volts down a wire.  I'm 
used to having to idiot-proof stuff against both students and lecturers.  
Lecturers are more gung-ho and students more inventive.  Keeps me on my toes.

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Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread Larry Colen

> On May 5, 2018, at 12:36 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> This is decidedly strange.  I'm suddenly no longer able to retrieve my 
> messages from the gmail pop server using Thunderbird. I can still send them 
> using the smpt server, but I have to read them on the gmail web page.  Anyone 
> else having this problem?

Why are you using POP rather than IMAP?  

 SMTP is Simple Mail Transfer Protocol not smpt


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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread DagT
I learned from a taxfree shop in an airport (I think it was Heathrow) that 
Lagavulin distillery had had a fire, and lost some of it´s production. It 
caused some frustration and higher prices.

DagT

> 4. mai 2018 kl. 19:28 skrev Daniel J. Matyola :
> 
> I like Laphroig as well.  A solid bargain.
> 
> I usually don't pay $90 for Lagavulin;  one has to shop the discount liquor
> stores and keep an eye out for specials.
> 
> When both Laphroig and Lagavulin are priced too high, I go for Green Label
> (a blend but with single malts only, no grain spirits) or Bush Black or
> Irish Honey.
> 
> One must be flexible.
> 
> If I'm at the bar and its the other guy's turn to buy, I choose Lagavulin.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
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> 
> On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 9:51 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
>> I like Lagavulin, but it’s overpriced at close to $90 a fifth. Laphroig is
>> just as good at half the price.
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
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Re: Ol' Red Eye

2018-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I believe that is the case.


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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 9:14 AM, John  wrote:

> If I understand how it works, all Terrapins are Turtles, but not all
> Turtles are Terrapins.
>
> Are you a Turtle?
>
>
> On 5/5/2018 03:03, Alan C wrote:
>
>> Thanks John. Not easy to see in Dan's photo. Then there are Terrapins too!
>>
>> Alan C
>>
>> -Original Message- From: John
>> Sent: 5 May, 2018 12:06 AM
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: PESO: Ol' Red Eye
>>
>> Difference between turtles and tortoises
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPVbcQKGvk
>>
>> On 5/4/2018 13:35, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for looking Alan.
>>>
>>> It is an eastern box turtle.  While it looks and behaves similar to a
>>> tortoise, it is a pond turtle variety:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_turtle
>>>
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Alan C  wrote:
>>>
>>> Cute, bashful too! Is that a tortoise or a turtle?

 Alan C

 -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
 Sent: 4 May, 2018 6:38 PM
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 Subject: PESO: Ol' Red Eye


 My dog discovered this critter in our driveway when we returned from our
 morning walk:

 http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/4/turtle

 K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
 Comments and criticisms are invited and appreciated.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread DagT


> 5. mai 2018 kl. 19:58 skrev Christine Aguila :
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Dale H. Cook  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> At 09:46 AM 5/5/2018, Christine Aguila wrote:
>> 
>>> ... but the more important question is what is your view of cormorants?
>> 
>> Christine -
>> 
>> My view of then is best from a distance. The closest I want to get to a 
>> cormorant is one pictured on a Packard hood ornament. The Packard brothers 
>> who founded the company were distant cousins.
> 
> Chances are you will see a picture or two of the cormorant—so you’re safe!  
> :-)
> The cormorant is the PDML mascot!

And if there is nothing to see in the picture, it is mine.
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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Christine Aguila


> On May 5, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Dale H. Cook  
> wrote:
> 
> At 09:46 AM 5/5/2018, Christine Aguila wrote:
> 
>> ... but the more important question is what is your view of cormorants?
> 
> Christine -
> 
> My view of then is best from a distance. The closest I want to get to a 
> cormorant is one pictured on a Packard hood ornament. The Packard brothers 
> who founded the company were distant cousins.

Chances are you will see a picture or two of the cormorant—so you’re safe!  :-)
The cormorant is the PDML mascot!

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Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread p. j. alling
Dale,
 I already have my gmail accounts set to allow less secure apps to connect.

 Which port are you using.  I'm using the suggested port of 995.

Still getting "failed to connect to server pop.gmail.com" when attempting
to download messages.

I haven't used Eudora in years but since you seem to have it working I
think I'll give it a whirl.  Funny thing is I'm not getting any messages
about blocked attempts.  It just fails to connect.

Strangely everything was working as expected until May 3, when the last
message downloaded was received at 12:02 AM.  Maybe years of working in IT
have made me paranoid, but that seems like just the date and time for a
software feature to be disabled.  Usually some notification is given to
users but this is Google we're dealing with here.  It would surely help if
Thunderbird had a logging feature that could be easily enabled, but if it
does it's well hidden.

The previous instructions on connecting to the the gmail pop server seem to
have disappeared from the Thunderbird help pages. both at Mozilla and
Google.  Only imap instructions are currently available for Thunderbird.
There are only generic instructions for using the pop server, though the
settings are those I'm already using.

Now the unfortunate thing...  Mozilla is the sole support, such as it is,
for Eudora, to use it I have to uninstall Thunderbird.

What version of Eudora are you using?  What platform?  If it's not Windows
even that might not solve my problem.

On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 5:51 AM, Dale H. Cook 
wrote:

> Okay, here's the deal. Even though my POP3 settings for all three Gmail
> accounts are using SSL with the alternate port I still had to sign into
> Gmail for each account, open the message with the subject "Review blocked
> sign-in attempt" and choose to allow access to less secure apps. I am now
> getting POP3 email from all three accounts.
>
> I am not worried that Google does not think that those accounts are secure
> - I never use them for anything sensitive anyway, just as I never use
> either of my Yahoo addresses for anything sensitive. My Gmail and Yahoo
> addresses are, for me, the email equivalent of burner phones.
>
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> colored filters for B&W gravestone photography
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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
My favorite guitarist is Leadbelly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dk6Y9uIwiMI

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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Dale H. Cook 
wrote:

> At 11:55 AM 5/5/2018, John Francis wrote:
>
> >I'm boringly old school - I like Eric Clapton.
>
> I listen to guitarists from many periods. I have both of the Chet
> Atkins-Les Paul "Chester and Lester" albums.
>
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Advice at various stages

2018-05-05 Thread Larry Colen
On that other timesuck, someone once asked what advice you’d give to dancers 
that have 1-3 years of experience.  People could most benefit from different 
advice at different stages of their learning process.What advice would you 
give to people at different stages of learning photography?


Just the concept of “new can have many shades of meaning:
New to photography, or new to taking their photography seriously.

New to digital photography.

New to taking photos with a DSLR, rather than a camera.

The next step seems to be having learned the basics of manual controls and 
processing raw files.

After that, is often studio lighting.

What about the photographer who has worked for many years and feels that their 
growth as a photographer has hit a plateau?

What advice would you give someone at any of these stages (or any others that 
come to mind) of their photography? What important things did you learn along 
the way that really helped?

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Re: From Strobe to Stage Prop

2018-05-05 Thread Larry Colen

> On May 5, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Dale H. Cook  wrote:
> 
> At 09:48 AM 5/5/2018, Mike Wilson wrote:
> 
>> How are you protecting the operator from (at least) a nasty burn on the 
>> thumb?
> 
> Mike -
> 
> The electronics is in a 2-gang plastic electrical box at the top of the (~ 3 
> foot) pole under the reflector. A  triac trigger has been added to the 
> electronics in the box. The operator is holding the bottom of the pole and is 
> pushing a button carrying 5 volts DC.
> 
> Remember where I have spent my career. I am used to having to try to make 
> things idiot-proof, or as we say in radio engineering, "DJ-proof.”

A task that would be a lot easier if idiots weren’t so damned clever.

Just out of curiosity, do you also happen to be a ham?  And, no, I could never 
get my code over 3wpm, Now that that is no longer an issue, I just simply don’t 
have the time to add another hobby onto the pile.


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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 11:55 AM 5/5/2018, John Francis wrote:

>I'm boringly old school - I like Eric Clapton.

I listen to guitarists from many periods. I have both of the Chet Atkins-Les 
Paul "Chester and Lester" albums.

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Re: From Strobe to Stage Prop

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 09:48 AM 5/5/2018, Mike Wilson wrote:

>How are you protecting the operator from (at least) a nasty burn on the thumb?

Mike -

The electronics is in a 2-gang plastic electrical box at the top of the (~ 3 
foot) pole under the reflector. A  triac trigger has been added to the 
electronics in the box. The operator is holding the bottom of the pole and is 
pushing a button carrying 5 volts DC.

Remember where I have spent my career. I am used to having to try to make 
things idiot-proof, or as we say in radio engineering, "DJ-proof."

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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 09:46 AM 5/5/2018, Christine Aguila wrote:

>... but the more important question is what is your view of cormorants?

Christine -

My view of then is best from a distance. The closest I want to get to a 
cormorant is one pictured on a Packard hood ornament. The Packard brothers who 
founded the company were distant cousins.

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Re: Estúpido

2018-05-05 Thread Larry Colen

> On May 5, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
> A lesson you would think I had learned long before this. Hopefully I have 
> been sufficiently reminded.

It’s a lesson that you’d think that we all would have been able to learn after 
the first dozen times we made that mistake.


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Estúpido

2018-05-05 Thread Eric Weir

A while back I raved about the images i was getting with my iPhone. So I was 
disappointed when I started reviewing images from one of my longest hikes in 
Big Bend Bend National Park, through landscape that is distinctive even for Big 
Bend. The focus on almost all 265 of the images is uniformly lousy. I was 
reassured however when I checked the images from another special hike, again 
almost all taken with my iPhone. 

I use the Manual app, which enables shooting in either manual or autofocus 
mode. My guess is that I set focus to auto focus without realizing it and never 
checked throughout the hike. 

A sample image from the first hike, on the Marufo Vega trail, in the southeast 
corner of the Park. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/27039162517/in/album-72157696472321585/lightbox/

And one from the other hike, to the South Rim of the Chisos Mountains, in the 
center of the Park.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/41009079135/in/album-72157690703853270/lightbox/

A lesson you would think I had learned long before this. Hopefully I have been 
sufficiently reminded.

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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread John Francis
On Sat, May 05, 2018 at 04:34:48AM -0400, Dale H. Cook wrote:
> At 10:30 PM 5/4/2018, Mark Roberts wrote:
> 
> >Up next, motorcycles and then guitars.
> 
> I'm waiting for favorite guitarists. Anyone for Annie Clark?

I'm boringly old school - I like Eric Clapton.
Mind you, Mark Knopfler is worth listening to.

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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread John Francis
On Fri, May 04, 2018 at 08:47:17PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote:
> When I discovered Lagavulin, about 25 years ago, it was about $40 a fifth 
> here. Never less than $80 now. Bought Laphroig 10 for $50 today. Enjoying it 
> now. I like it at least as much as Lagavulin.
> 
> Paul

Personally, I'm not a great fan of that style of whisky.
Mind you, I've got Bowmore, Laphroig, and Lagavulin on the
shelves, as well as Caol Ila.

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Re: Printing question

2018-05-05 Thread Paul Stenquist
I use Relative Colorimetric without black point compensation. Haven’t really 
thought about it for years. My prints are nice. I don’t know if they could be 
better. I print on Epson Premium Luster or Exhibition Fiber and use the ICC 
profiles. Perhaps I should experiment with other settings?
Paul

> On May 5, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mark C  wrote:
> 
> Paul Sorenson wrote:
>> Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles what is 
>> your preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative colorimetric?  Does 
>> your choice vary by paper surface?
>> 
>> -p
>> 
> I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't change 
> the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot point since I 
> very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.
> 
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Re: Printing question

2018-05-05 Thread Mark C

Paul Sorenson wrote:
Kind of looking for a consensus...when printing using ICC profiles 
what is your preferred rendering intent?  Perceptual or relative 
colorimetric?  Does your choice vary by paper surface?


-p

I start with perceptual with black point compensation enabled. I don't 
change the setting for different papers, but that's something a moot 
point since I very rarely use anything but glossy or luster papers.


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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread John

I like Gin.

Add a little water, a little quinine, some sugar and a twist of lime (for the 
vitamin C) and you can treat malaria.


I think I mentioned earlier, I rarely consume alcohol for anything other than 
medicinal purposes.


On 5/5/2018 09:27, mike wilson wrote:

Who was talking about Gin?


On 05 May 2018 at 11:54 Jostein  wrote:


Who wants to drink distilled bog water anyway?

Jostein
(Grins, ducks and runs)

Den 03.05.2018 23:40, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:

Lagavulin is the answer.

Or perhaps it's 42 .  .  .  .


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Re: PESO Let's call it an abstract

2018-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
LOL!

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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 9:43 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Your abstract is like a Jurassic park nightmare...scary
>
> ann\
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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Insolvency!

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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 9:41 AM, mike wilson  wrote:

>
Just as long as we don't get started on photography.  You know where that
will lead to
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Re: From Strobe to Stage Prop

2018-05-05 Thread mike wilson
How are you protecting the operator from (at least) a nasty burn on the thumb?

> On 05 May 2018 at 02:13 "Dale H. Cook"  wrote:
> 
> 
> This group seems free-wheeling enough that you might enjoy hearing what I 
> have been working on for two days (although I will likely bore some of you 
> into hitting the trash can icon). It is a stage prop made using the guts of a 
> Vivitar 283 flash.
> 
> Before any of you start screaming and cussing at me for cannibalizing a 283, 
> hear me out.
> 
> This play needed a prop consisting of a small metal bowl on the end of a 
> short pole, with a strobe lamp inside the bowl rigged so that it would fire 
> when the actor pushes a button on the side of the pole. The metal bowl will 
> reflect the light outwards and upwards. One of the adults (this is a local 
> children's theatre company) asked at the only electronic parts distributor 
> left in town (30 years ago we had four distributors plus several Radio 
> Shacks) if they could do the job. They said that they could not, but 
> suggested that they call me.
> 
> I told them to see if they could get someone to donate some old camera flash 
> units for the project. An out-of-town friend of one of the adults donated 
> three Vivitar 283 flashes, all rather sad looking, all missing their light 
> sensors, two missing their battery holders, and one even missing its hot shoe.
> 
> Next comes some technical explanation that should be familiar to us senior 
> citizens but may be new information to the young folks in the group. I expect 
> that some of you have used a Vivitar 283. The original 283 from the late '70s 
> and early '80s was one of the seven wonders of the world of photography with 
> automatically controlled flash duration (controlled by the light sensor). 
> Even one in top condition today would be useless with most DSLRs. Old-school 
> film SLRs triggered the hot shoe by closing a switch connected to the shutter 
> button. Flashes of the day put 200-300 volts on the hot shoe, needing a 
> relatively stout switch to trigger them. That also meant that if you were 
> stupid enough to pull the flash off the SLR without discharging it you could 
> get a nasty shock from the flash. In any case the 283 does not support TTL 
> (through-the-lens) flash control they way that the better current speedlights 
> do.
> 
> Today's DSLRs are generally designed for a much lower trigger voltage in the 
> 5 to 24 volt range. Some models of DSLR may be able to handle trigger 
> voltages up to 250 volts, but you had better be darn sure that yours will 
> before tying to use a 30-40 year old flash, as many cameras can sustain 
> electronic damage if you try to make them handle 200-300 volts on the hot 
> shoe.
> 
> All in all those three donated 283s are useless for current use unless you 
> are using an old-school 35mm SLR, and even then none would control the flash 
> automatically since all three are missing the light sensors.
> 
> It took me an entire working day yesterday to 1) show that all three properly 
> worked in manual mode (fortunately I had one battery holder), 2) find and 
> download the service manual (well worth the $4.99 I paid) and read it 
> thoroughly to familiarize myself with the circuitry (it is a complex beast), 
> 3) go out and buy some parts and components that I needed, and 4) do most of 
> the disassembly of my candidate, the saddest looking one which was missing 
> the hot shoe.
> 
> Today I finished the disassembly and started removing bits and pieces that I 
> don't need, such as the automatic flash duration control circuit and other 
> gewgaws (if they had room they would probably have included a kitchen sink in 
> the design). I have been building the prop with some parts from my extensive 
> electronic scrapyard (I've been collecting electronics of various sorts for 
> nearly sixty years), a couple of parts bought at the electronic parts 
> distributor, and some physical components from the home center. I expect to 
> have it ready to demonstrate at tomorrow afternoon's rehearsal. It will not 
> be in finished form - it will be in what we radio engineers formally call 
> "proof of concept" stage. It will be ugly but will demonstrate how well it 
> works. Informally some call that the "chewing gum and paper clip stage," or 
> as I prefer to call it, the "baling wire and duct tape" stage. Note that 
> tomorrow some parts will, in fact, be held together with duct tape (but 
> probably no baling wire). It will be in its final aesthetically pleasing form 
> in time for the first dress rehearsal in a couple of weeks.
> 
> My total investment will be about twenty hours of labor. At my going labor 
> rate for my most favored customers (I still work a little for some small 
> locally owned radio stations) that would amount to 10 Benjamins, and I am 
> donating the labor. The out-of-pocket cost for parts and materials is another 
> matter as they have no budget. Fortunately they have three of those Vivitar 
> 2

Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Dale:

Welcome aboard!  Declaring your favorite scotch is all well and good, but the 
more important question is what is your view of cormorants?

Cheers, Christine




> On May 2, 2018, at 12:25 PM, Dale H. Cook  
> wrote:
> 
> I am a recently retired broadcast engineer who is taking up photography as a 
> hobby after using it largely only for work and genealogical research over the 
> last 30+ years. Most of my genealogical photography going forward will 
> undoubtedly be photographing gravestones in B&W, the preferred format for 
> those photos (I am a member of the Association for Gravestone Studies).
> 
> I used SLRs for years (most recently a Pentax K-1000). but switched to a 
> digital camera (a Sony Cybershot) about 15 years ago for convenience. With 
> retirement I decided to upgrade, and recently bought a Pentax K-70 with a DA 
> 18-270mm as my walking-around lens. I am still mastering the amazing array of 
> settings but am making progress. I am using a variety of colored B&W filters 
> for gravestones, because 1) I am on old guy who was used to doing that with 
> film, and 2) although I have done a fair amount of image post-production over 
> the years I would rather get the correct image in-camera than fix it in post.
> 
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> Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm lens, using
> colored filters for B&W gravestone photography 
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Re: PESO Let's call it an abstract

2018-05-05 Thread ann sanfedele
For a baby bird photo I definitely prefer the first one in the set - it 
isn't that unsharp and chick looks cute.

Your abstract is like a Jurassic park nightmare...scary

ann

On 5/4/2018 9:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

In other words, too many technical flaws, but I still kind of like it:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/41179422794/in/album-72157695788632564/ 



I'll probably try again in better light.  If anyone is curious, the 
rest of the set is marginally sharper, but I liked this one better 
artistically.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157695788632564



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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread mike wilson
> On 05 May 2018 at 03:30 Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> 
> Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> >If anyone wants to find out just how pedantic I an get about whisky, 
> >show up here sometime for whiskymas, or talk me into giving a tour of 
> >the isles.
> 
> See what you've done, Dale. First thing after joining the PDML and
> we've got a full-blown single-malt thread going.
> 
> Up next, motorcycles and then guitars.

Just as long as we don't get started on photography.  You know where that will 
lead to

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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread mike wilson
> On 05 May 2018 at 01:36 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, but.
> 
> Blended Scotch can be mixed with any grain whiskey
> 
> Single malt scotch can only be distilled from malted barley from a single
> distillery;  Blended scotch can use any whiskey from any grain, malted or
> not.  Blended malt whisky, like Green Label, is blended from whiskies from
> several distilleries, but only whisky form malted barley, not from generic"
> grain.
> 
> I was trying to shortcut that explanation, and obviously failed.   :(

Putting "other" before grain would have made all the difference. 8 -)  

BTW, "malt whisky" is a tautology, as all grains need to be malted (i.e. 
germinated) before fermenting, or there is no free sugar to ferment.  This 
applies whether the final output is a beer or spirit.  I suppose it 
differentiates between the usual and some form of artificially produced spirit 
but I don't know of any examples of the latter.

> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 7:06 PM, mike wilson  wrote:
> 
> >
> > > On 04 May 2018 at 18:28 "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > (a blend but with single malts only, no grain spirits)
> >
> > ??  Whisky _is_ a grain spirit.

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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread mike wilson
Who was talking about Gin?

> On 05 May 2018 at 11:54 Jostein  wrote:
> 
> 
> Who wants to drink distilled bog water anyway?
> 
> Jostein
> (Grins, ducks and runs)
> 
> Den 03.05.2018 23:40, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:
> > Lagavulin is the answer.
> > 
> > Or perhaps it's 42 .  .  .  .
> > 
> > 
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > 
> > 
> >>> Bill wrote:
> >>>
>  All this is fine, but what is your favorite Scotch?
> >>

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Re: Ol' Red Eye

2018-05-05 Thread John
If I understand how it works, all Terrapins are Turtles, but not all Turtles are 
Terrapins.


Are you a Turtle?

On 5/5/2018 03:03, Alan C wrote:

Thanks John. Not easy to see in Dan's photo. Then there are Terrapins too!

Alan C

-Original Message- From: John
Sent: 5 May, 2018 12:06 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Ol' Red Eye

Difference between turtles and tortoises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPVbcQKGvk

On 5/4/2018 13:35, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks for looking Alan.

It is an eastern box turtle.  While it looks and behaves similar to a
tortoise, it is a pond turtle variety:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_turtle

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Alan C  wrote:


Cute, bashful too! Is that a tortoise or a turtle?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: 4 May, 2018 6:38 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO: Ol' Red Eye


My dog discovered this critter in our driveway when we returned from our
morning walk:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/4/turtle

K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
Comments and criticisms are invited and appreciated.

Dan Matyola
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Re: Ol' Red Eye

2018-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
The problem is that the box turtle, which is the species in my image, looks
and behaves more like a tortoise than a turtle.  It is mainly terrestrial.

This a more typical tyrtle:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/2/18/green-turtle

Terrapins are turtles that spend time both on land and in brackish, swampy
water.


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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 3:03 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> Thanks John. Not easy to see in Dan's photo. Then there are Terrapins too!
>
> Alan C
>
> -Original Message- From: John
> Sent: 5 May, 2018 12:06 AM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO: Ol' Red Eye
>
> Difference between turtles and tortoises
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPVbcQKGvk
>
> On 5/4/2018 13:35, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> Thanks for looking Alan.
>>
>> It is an eastern box turtle.  While it looks and behaves similar to a
>> tortoise, it is a pond turtle variety:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_turtle
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Alan C  wrote:
>>
>> Cute, bashful too! Is that a tortoise or a turtle?
>>>
>>> Alan C
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
>>> Sent: 4 May, 2018 6:38 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: PESO: Ol' Red Eye
>>>
>>>
>>> My dog discovered this critter in our driveway when we returned from our
>>> morning walk:
>>>
>>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/4/turtle
>>>
>>> K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
>>> Comments and criticisms are invited and appreciated.
>>>
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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
If you don't like "distilled bog water" there is Irish whiskey;  triple
distilled to remove any trace of terroir, but very smooth.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Jostein  wrote:

> Who wants to drink distilled bog water anyway?
>
> Jostein
> (Grins, ducks and runs)
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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Jostein

Who wants to drink distilled bog water anyway?

Jostein
(Grins, ducks and runs)

Den 03.05.2018 23:40, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:

Lagavulin is the answer.

Or perhaps it's 42 .  .  .  .


Dan Matyola
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Bill wrote:


All this is fine, but what is your favorite Scotch?




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Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
Okay, here's the deal. Even though my POP3 settings for all three Gmail 
accounts are using SSL with the alternate port I still had to sign into Gmail 
for each account, open the message with the subject "Review blocked sign-in 
attempt" and choose to allow access to less secure apps. I am now getting POP3 
email from all three accounts.

I am not worried that Google does not think that those accounts are secure - I 
never use them for anything sensitive anyway, just as I never use either of my 
Yahoo addresses for anything sensitive. My Gmail and Yahoo addresses are, for 
me, the email equivalent of burner phones.

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Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread J.C. O'Connell

does using another email client other than thunderbird work?
jco

On Sat, 05 May 2018 05:11:52 -0400, Dale H. Cook  
 wrote:



At 03:36 AM 5/5/2018, P. J. Alling wrote:

This is decidedly strange.  I'm suddenly no longer able to retrieve my  
messages from the gmail pop server using Thunderbird.


Does Thunderbird have an error log that you can check? I just tried a  
test send to all three of my Gmail addresses (I have more than two dozen  
email addresses through four servers - don't ask why unless you want to  
hear another boring story) and Eudora is throwing a "connection timed  
out" error from the POP server for all three. I am investigating.


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Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 03:36 AM 5/5/2018, P. J. Alling wrote:

>This is decidedly strange.  I'm suddenly no longer able to retrieve my 
>messages from the gmail pop server using Thunderbird.

Does Thunderbird have an error log that you can check? I just tried a test send 
to all three of my Gmail addresses (I have more than two dozen email addresses 
through four servers - don't ask why unless you want to hear another boring 
story) and Eudora is throwing a "connection timed out" error from the POP 
server for all three. I am investigating.

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Re: Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Having this for prolly half a year... I had reconfigured tbird, but now i
have to manually drag and drop mail items, so i got lazy.

On Sat, May 5, 2018, 10:38 P. J. Alling  wrote:

> This is decidedly strange.  I'm suddenly no longer able to retrieve my
> messages from the gmail pop server using Thunderbird. I can still send
> them using the smpt server, but I have to read them on the gmail web
> page.  Anyone else having this problem?
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Re: New Member

2018-05-05 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 10:30 PM 5/4/2018, Mark Roberts wrote:

>Up next, motorcycles and then guitars.

I'm waiting for favorite guitarists. Anyone for Annie Clark?

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Problem with gmail.

2018-05-05 Thread P. J. Alling
This is decidedly strange.  I'm suddenly no longer able to retrieve my 
messages from the gmail pop server using Thunderbird. I can still send 
them using the smpt server, but I have to read them on the gmail web 
page.  Anyone else having this problem?


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Re: Ol' Red Eye

2018-05-05 Thread Alan C

Thanks John. Not easy to see in Dan's photo. Then there are Terrapins too!

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: John

Sent: 5 May, 2018 12:06 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO: Ol' Red Eye

Difference between turtles and tortoises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEPVbcQKGvk

On 5/4/2018 13:35, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks for looking Alan.

It is an eastern box turtle.  While it looks and behaves similar to a
tortoise, it is a pond turtle variety:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_turtle

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Alan C  wrote:


Cute, bashful too! Is that a tortoise or a turtle?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
Sent: 4 May, 2018 6:38 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: PESO: Ol' Red Eye


My dog discovered this critter in our driveway when we returned from our
morning walk:

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2018/5/4/turtle

K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm Macro F 2.8
Comments and criticisms are invited and appreciated.

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