Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
Beautiful landscape of Wales. The *istD was indeed a nice little camera. I had this same idea a few weeks ago to reprocess in LR some of of my old RAW pictures taken with the *istD on my trip to Australia in 2006. Here are a few of the Great Ocean Road. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/39809564163/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/31833059027/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/mxer/46049365594/in/dateposted/ Henk Op 2019-02-06 om 21:16 schreef Postmaster: Yet another reason to always shoot raw: Some of those old files are much better than you thought. Here's an oldie from 2005. https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg Pen-y-pass, Llanberis, Wales. This was taken as we were finishing our Snowdon hike. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
MARK, MARK ! ann On 2/6/2019 8:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: When the light is good most of the job is taken care of for you no matter what camera/sensor you're using. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
I thought maybe you had posted the jpeg someplace On February 6, 2019 7:22:24 PM PST, Mark Roberts wrote: >l...@red4est.com wrote: > >>As has been noted that's a very nice photo. By any chance is the >original processing of it available? It would be interesting to >compare. > >I'm afraid not. It was done in a much earlier version of Lightroom >(this is all Lightropom processing, no Photoshop) and I don't even >remember which version so I can't be sure which adjustments were even >available. > >https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
l...@red4est.com wrote: >As has been noted that's a very nice photo. By any chance is the original >processing of it available? It would be interesting to compare. I'm afraid not. It was done in a much earlier version of Lightroom (this is all Lightropom processing, no Photoshop) and I don't even remember which version so I can't be sure which adjustments were even available. https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
As has been noted that's a very nice photo. By any chance is the original processing of it available? It would be interesting to compare. On February 6, 2019 5:28:38 PM PST, Mark Roberts wrote: >Jostein Øksne wrote: > >>The istD is still a good camera. Software has come a long way in >fifteen years. >>The camera I miss the most is actually the K10D. It had very special >raw files, with its sensor oversampling technique. > >Oh yeah. The K-10D had a nice "look" to its images. Not nearly as mush >dynamic range as today's sensors and obviously a bit noisier, but >wonderful when used within its limits. As is the ist-D sensor, of >course. > >>It's a nice image too, Mark. Love the play of sunlight and shadow >across the landscape. > >I suppose that's the real point: When the light is good most of the >job is taken care of for you, no matter what camera/sensor you're >using. > >>>https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg > > > > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
Jostein Øksne wrote: >The istD is still a good camera. Software has come a long way in fifteen years. >The camera I miss the most is actually the K10D. It had very special raw >files, with its sensor oversampling technique. Oh yeah. The K-10D had a nice "look" to its images. Not nearly as mush dynamic range as today's sensors and obviously a bit noisier, but wonderful when used within its limits. As is the ist-D sensor, of course. >It's a nice image too, Mark. Love the play of sunlight and shadow across the >landscape. I suppose that's the real point: When the light is good most of the job is taken care of for you, no matter what camera/sensor you're using. >>https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flower
Nice image. Where I live, that is called "Christmas Cactus." Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 8:11 AM Bulent Celasun wrote: > At last a Pentax shot! > > https://tinyurl.com/ycvtwvrv > > Could anyone please tell the name of the flower? > I do not know it even in Turkish : ( > > > Bulent > - > http://patoloji.gen.tr > http://celasun.wordpress.com/ > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ > http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
Excellent image! I love how you caught the color changes caused by the distance of the various hills from your camera. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:16 AM Postmaster wrote: > Yet another reason to always shoot raw: Some of those old files are > much better than you thought. Here's an oldie from 2005. > > https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg > Pen-y-pass, Llanberis, Wales. This was taken as we were finishing our > Snowdon hike. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2019 - in Cozumel - GDG
BTW, I love the Bubba Gump image. I guess he is everywhere these days! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 8:35 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > In port, Cozumel, Mexico ... > > https://flic.kr/p/QRD6iv > > Our little troupe hired a short taxi/tour ride to a local Mayan info and > tequila distillery/plantation. Most then went on to the beach; I requested > the driver drop me back to the pier where I walked around a little while, > then re-boarded our ship. > > There's nothing about a beach that I can enjoy more than the pool deck on > the ship... and there's no sand to bother with. :-) The tequila distillery > was very interesting, the port side shops pretty much the same as anywhere > else in today's world. > > Enjoy! > G > — > No matter where you go, there you are. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2019 - in Cozumel - GDG
Cozumel is famous for one thing, which it does extremely well: scuba diving. Aside from that, it is a run-of-the-mil destination. Cozumel sits at the northern edge of the longest and best reef in the Caribbean, and the facilities for diving there are far superior to anything else in the Caribbean. I would never dive with any dive operator in Jamaica, other parts of Mexico, or any of the other islands; the equipment is rarely up-to-date and well maintained, and the emergency services are non-existent. Cozumel, however, exists almost entirely on income from scuba divers, and it takes the sport very seriously. My son and I loved Cozumel for the diving; my wife is not a diver, so she was bored -- except for the hair-raising plane trip to Chichen Itza. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 8:35 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > In port, Cozumel, Mexico ... > > https://flic.kr/p/QRD6iv > > Our little troupe hired a short taxi/tour ride to a local Mayan info and > tequila distillery/plantation. Most then went on to the beach; I requested > the driver drop me back to the pier where I walked around a little while, > then re-boarded our ship. > > There's nothing about a beach that I can enjoy more than the pool deck on > the ship... and there's no sand to bother with. :-) The tequila distillery > was very interesting, the port side shops pretty much the same as anywhere > else in today's world. > > Enjoy! > G > — > No matter where you go, there you are. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: London
Excellent images. Thanks for sharing the link. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:57 AM Bob W-PDML wrote: > Some superb photos of London here, a real portrait of a city from eyes we > don't often see through: > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-47090315 > > B > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2019 - in Cozumel - GDG
When I was a teenager I had a summer job in a hardware store. One of the old boys who worked there was Reg, who'd fought Rommel in the desert. A regular customer was a rather stuck-up, posh lady called Mrs Sandicock, which she insisted was pronounced Sandicoe. Whenever she came in Reg made a point of pronouncing her name very loudly, as written, and as she was leaving he would turn to me and say "Always puts me in mind of my time in the desert, that woman". > On 6 Feb 2019, at 22:34, ann sanfedele wrote: > > oh lordy- visiting "exotic" venues ? I'm with you re: beach sand and this > is a fun shot. > > ann > >> On 2/6/2019 1:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> In port, Cozumel, Mexico ... >> >> https://flic.kr/p/QRD6iv >> >> Our little troupe hired a short taxi/tour ride to a local Mayan info and >> tequila distillery/plantation. Most then went on to the beach; I requested >> the driver drop me back to the pier where I walked around a little while, >> then re-boarded our ship. >> >> There's nothing about a beach that I can enjoy more than the pool deck on >> the ship... and there's no sand to bother with. :-) The tequila distillery >> was very interesting, the port side shops pretty much the same as anywhere >> else in today's world. >> >> Enjoy! >> G >> — >> No matter where you go, there you are. >> > > -- > ann sanfedele photography > https://annsan.smugmug.com > https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff > https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2019 - in Cozumel - GDG
oh lordy- visiting "exotic" venues ? I'm with you re: beach sand and this is a fun shot. ann On 2/6/2019 1:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: In port, Cozumel, Mexico ... https://flic.kr/p/QRD6iv Our little troupe hired a short taxi/tour ride to a local Mayan info and tequila distillery/plantation. Most then went on to the beach; I requested the driver drop me back to the pier where I walked around a little while, then re-boarded our ship. There's nothing about a beach that I can enjoy more than the pool deck on the ship... and there's no sand to bother with. :-) The tequila distillery was very interesting, the port side shops pretty much the same as anywhere else in today's world. Enjoy! G — No matter where you go, there you are. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
Very pretty -- agree with Jostein - and I can't imagine not shooting raw... I would still ahve my ISTD if I had not needed more range for a specific shoot and I got a new camera as pay for work. ann On 2/6/2019 3:36 PM, Jostein Øksne wrote: The istD is still a good camera. Software has come a long way in fifteen years. The camera I miss the most is actually the K10D. It had very special raw files, with its sensor oversampling technique. It's a nice image too, Mark. Love the play of sunlight and shadow across the landscape. Jostein Den 6. februar 2019 21.16.05 CET, skrev Postmaster : Yet another reason to always shoot raw: Some of those old files are much better than you thought. Here's an oldie from 2005. https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg Pen-y-pass, Llanberis, Wales. This was taken as we were finishing our Snowdon hike. -- ann sanfedele photography https://annsan.smugmug.com https://www.cafepress.com/annsanstuff https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/annsan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
On 6/2/19, Postmaster, discombobulated, unleashed: >Yet another reason to always shoot raw: Some of those old files are >much better than you thought. Here's an oldie from 2005. > >https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg >Pen-y-pass, Llanberis, Wales. This was taken as we were finishing our >Snowdon hike. Beaut. Long live the *ist D ! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: London
On 6/2/19, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed: >Some superb photos of London here, a real portrait of a city from eyes >we don't often see through: > >https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-47090315 Excelent! Thanks for posting mate -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__UK Shoot / Edit and || (O) |Live Broadcast News -- _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
Nice. That valley deserves a good bicycling. > On 6 Feb 2019, at 20:16, Postmaster wrote: > > Yet another reason to always shoot raw: Some of those old files are > much better than you thought. Here's an oldie from 2005. > > https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg > Pen-y-pass, Llanberis, Wales. This was taken as we were finishing our > Snowdon hike. > > -- > Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia > www.robertstech.com > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
The istD is still a good camera. Software has come a long way in fifteen years. The camera I miss the most is actually the K10D. It had very special raw files, with its sensor oversampling technique. It's a nice image too, Mark. Love the play of sunlight and shadow across the landscape. Jostein Den 6. februar 2019 21.16.05 CET, skrev Postmaster : >Yet another reason to always shoot raw: Some of those old files are >much better than you thought. Here's an oldie from 2005. > >https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg >Pen-y-pass, Llanberis, Wales. This was taken as we were finishing our >Snowdon hike. > -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Old school PESO - taken with an ist-D
Yet another reason to always shoot raw: Some of those old files are much better than you thought. Here's an oldie from 2005. https://www.robertstech.com/temp/7d500929.jpg Pen-y-pass, Llanberis, Wales. This was taken as we were finishing our Snowdon hike. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flower
Thanks, Alan. Now I've remembered the Turkish when I saw the synonyme, Christmas flower. Its "New Year's Day Flower". Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun Alan C , 6 Şub 2019 Çar, 21:40 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > > Nice. Zygocactus. > > Alan C > > On 06-Feb-19 08:10 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: > > At last a Pentax shot! > > > > https://tinyurl.com/ycvtwvrv > > > > Could anyone please tell the name of the flower? > > I do not know it even in Turkish : ( > > > > > > Bulent > > - > > http://patoloji.gen.tr > > http://celasun.wordpress.com/ > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ > > http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Flower
Nice. Zygocactus. Alan C On 06-Feb-19 08:10 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote: At last a Pentax shot! https://tinyurl.com/ycvtwvrv Could anyone please tell the name of the flower? I do not know it even in Turkish : ( Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2019 - in Cozumel - GDG
In port, Cozumel, Mexico ... https://flic.kr/p/QRD6iv Our little troupe hired a short taxi/tour ride to a local Mayan info and tequila distillery/plantation. Most then went on to the beach; I requested the driver drop me back to the pier where I walked around a little while, then re-boarded our ship. There's nothing about a beach that I can enjoy more than the pool deck on the ship... and there's no sand to bother with. :-) The tequila distillery was very interesting, the port side shops pretty much the same as anywhere else in today's world. Enjoy! G — No matter where you go, there you are. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Flower
At last a Pentax shot! https://tinyurl.com/ycvtwvrv Could anyone please tell the name of the flower? I do not know it even in Turkish : ( Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris 2019-06 - As it should be
Great tongue-in-cheek [*] humor in this well-captured photo! :-) Thanks for sharing! Igor -- [*] Not "la langue dans la joue": http://fbuffnstuff.blogspot.com/2015/01/la-langue-dans-la-joue.html :-P) On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 12:52 PM Boris Liberman wrote: Have a look: https://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2019/02/2019-06-as-it-should-be.html This little Panasonic Leica lens is a true gem. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: London
Am 06.02.19 um 12:56 schrieb Bob W-PDML: Some superb photos of London here, a real portrait of a city from eyes we don't often see through: Very good indeed. Thanks. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
London
Some superb photos of London here, a real portrait of a city from eyes we don't often see through: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/in-pictures-47090315 B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2019 - on travel - GDG
Nice colors and interest. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 3:15 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > On travel in the Caribbean ... these two from Miami on the way here, > Saturday night and Sunday morning: > > https://flic.kr/p/QQkzYt > https://flic.kr/p/2dbQ51e > > Enjoy! > G > — > No matter where you go, there you are. > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.