Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think that's entirely true.  This is a leveler.  There's a 
saying supposedly from the Old West, God created Men, Sam Colt made them 
equal.  In a fight with clubs the bigger heavier opponent has an 
advantage in a fight with guns, a lot of that advantage goes away.


Let me tell a story, a few years ago, I visited some friends in Florida, 
and we had a day trip to a baseball spring training camp.  The nice 
thing about spring training is that you get to see actual pros in a park 
with less strictures than AA ball, and for my purposes at least, the 
pitcher wasn't trying quite so hard to keep the batter from actually 
getting a hit.


I planted myself on the sidelines pretty much just off the third base 
line, and shot few rolls of B trying to get the moment when the batter 
connected with the ball.  I kind of know baseball, used to watch a lot 
of AAA games, so I know at close range what to look for when the batter 
is actually going to take a swing.


I'm not a award winning sports photographer, but out of my four rolls or 
so of film I managed to get one shot where the batter connected, and a 
couple just after.  (damn, I really wish I knew where the negatives got 
to at this point).


I was shooting with an LX and the power winder and 300mm f4.0.  I got 
three almost shots and one good one out of four rolls of film.  All I 
had to do was hit the shutter button when the batter started to move.  
With the Sony I'd have gotten pretty much all of them closer than my 
three misses.


On 4/20/2017 3:21 PM, postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

Stanley Halpin  wrote:


If the photog doesn’t exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
happened is that the
burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the field to the editor’s 
desk. The technology
may be a game changer, but getting “the” shot may still be a rarity.

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.




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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[ann sanfedele]

On 4/20/2017 7:35 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.


From my experience, technology has little to do with the gap between the 

work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller


Or for that matter - the work of a talented amateur and an unskilled pro :-)

ann

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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Only $5,000?

What a bargain.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 12:00 PM, P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> If you want to pay the price.
>
> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF
> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional
> sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it
> as well.
>
> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're
> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub
> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary
> anymore.
>
> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely
> to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play
> something will be usable.
>
> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that
> something important has been lost.
>
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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[Ken Waller]

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.


From my experience, technology has little to do with the gap between the 

work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: <postmas...@robertstech.com>

Subject: Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!


Stanley Halpin <s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:

If the photog doesn't exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
happened is that the
burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the field to the 
editor's desk. The technology

may be a game changer, but getting "the" shot may still be a rarity.


Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.


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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[John Sessoms]

If you've got enough mega-pixels you don't even need that great of a
sense of direction or framing. You can crop it down to the image you
want in post.


On 4/20/2017 12:13, Bob W-PDML wrote:

It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still
have to know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the
subject matter, and when to press the button.


On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling  wrote:

If you want to pay the price.

So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no
EVF blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a
professional sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet
I am saddened by it as well.

It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport
you're covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII,
Russian sub machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot
isn't necessary anymore.

Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most
likely to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are
on every play something will be usable.

It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
important has been lost.




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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

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Stanley Halpin  wrote:

>If the photog doesn’t exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
>happened is that the 
>burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the field to the editor’s 
>desk. The technology
> may be a game changer, but getting “the” shot may still be a rarity.

Moreover, this kind of technology will do nothing at all to reduce the
gap between the work of a talented pro and an unskilled amateur.

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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[Stanley Halpin]

If the photog doesn’t exercise some judgment, just guns away, all that has 
happened is that the burden of finding the decisive moment has moved from the 
field to the editor’s desk. The technology may be a game changer, but getting 
“the” shot may still be a rarity.

stan

> On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:05 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Yes, but it doesn't take nearly as much skill.
> 
> That's half what big name sports photographers used to get paid for, the 
> knowledge of the sport, not just where to point the camera, someone with a 
> bit more than passing knowledge can do that,  but when press the shutter to 
> capture the best possible shot.
> 
> Hell I remember when you had to focus the lens yourself and a lot of 
> newspaper sports photogs actually used Spotmatics rather than Nikons because 
> they were light weight, and the extras the Nikon gave didn't help all that 
> much.
> 
> Now I'm not saying we should go back to the good ol' days they kinda sucked.  
> But now we've actually reached the point where in, the minds of upper 
> management, a monkey can take the shot, and now they're almost right.
> 
> 
> On 4/20/2017 12:13 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>> It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
>> know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, 
>> and when to press the button.
>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want to pay the price.
>>> 
>>> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
>>> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional 
>>> sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it 
>>> as well.
>>> 
>>> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
>>> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
>>> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary 
>>> anymore.
>>> 
>>> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely 
>>> to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play 
>>> something will be usable.
>>> 
>>> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that 
>>> something important has been lost.
>>> 


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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[P. J. Alling]

Yes, but it doesn't take nearly as much skill.

That's half what big name sports photographers used to get paid for, the 
knowledge of the sport, not just where to point the camera, someone with 
a bit more than passing knowledge can do that,  but when press the 
shutter to capture the best possible shot.


Hell I remember when you had to focus the lens yourself and a lot of 
newspaper sports photogs actually used Spotmatics rather than Nikons 
because they were light weight, and the extras the Nikon gave didn't 
help all that much.


Now I'm not saying we should go back to the good ol' days they kinda 
sucked.  But now we've actually reached the point where in, the minds of 
upper management, a monkey can take the shot, and now they're almost right.



On 4/20/2017 12:13 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, and 
when to press the button.


On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling  wrote:

If you want to pay the price.

So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional sports 
photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it as well.

It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary anymore.

Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely to 
take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play something 
will be usable.

It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
important has been lost.


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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[ann sanfedele]

MARK!

On 4/20/2017 12:17 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

And a moment is just an interval that's too short to bother with





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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

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And a moment is just an interval that's too short to bother with

> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:14, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
> know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, 
> and when to press the button.
> 
>> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> 
>> If you want to pay the price.
>> 
>> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
>> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional sports 
>> photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it as well.
>> 
>> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
>> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
>> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary 
>> anymore.
>> 
>> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely 
>> to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play 
>> something will be usable.
>> 
>> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
>> important has been lost.
>> 
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Re: Decisive moment available to everyone now!

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It's no longer a decisive moment, but a decisive interval. You still have to 
know which direction to point the camera, how to frame the subject matter, and 
when to press the button.

> On 20 Apr 2017, at 17:10, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> If you want to pay the price.
> 
> So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
> blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional sports 
> photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by it as well.
> 
> It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport you're 
> covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian sub 
> machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't necessary 
> anymore.
> 
> Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most likely to 
> take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on every play 
> something will be usable.
> 
> It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that something 
> important has been lost.
> 
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Decisive moment available to everyone now!

[P. J. Alling]

If you want to pay the price.

So Sony's introduced the a9, a 20 frame/second 24mp camera with no EVF 
blackout.  Everything about it seems great.  If I were a professional 
sports photographer I'd really want this camera.  Yet I am saddened by 
it as well.


It changes the skill set from knowing your equipment and the sport 
you're covering to something more like the skill set of a WWII, Russian 
sub machine-gunner detailed knowledge to get the right shot isn't 
necessary anymore.


Now all you need is a general knowledge of where the action is most 
likely to take place and you can really spray and pray.  Odds are on 
every play something will be usable.


It's a triumph of digital technology and yet it makes me feel that 
something important has been lost.



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