Re: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
The only modern camera that I've experience with that sensed weather the film loaded or not is the zx-m. If film is loaded and it isn't advancing the shutter still fires, the camera just doesn't count frames. If I remember correctly this is consistent with many other older model cameras that I've handled. Even in this age where camera manufactures try to idiot proof everything the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Most cameras will probably set the correct aperture and shutter speed and auto focus regardless of correct film insertion. (Those few that did fail to fire without film could be fooled by a cardboard insert, many came with one). At 09:42 AM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Jostein wrote: However, the check for presence of film doesn't start until the back lid is shut. Surely the (correctly loaded) presence of film is detected by the toothed wheels to the right of the film gate? If these turn when the advance motor is working, film is loaded and the camera will fire. If they don't, the film is misloaded or not present and it will not. I don't see how the insert will overcome this. It will be much easier to deal with those units which use LEDs to monitor film movement. mike
RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
This is not my experience at all. Any 'electronic' camera I have ever used flashes an 'E' and locks up if the film wont load. (MZ-30, MZ-S, mjuii, Ixus etc) Also, I have noticed on the MZ-S that when the film is finished and rewinds you cannot fire the shutter again until you open and close the back. -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 16:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc) The only modern camera that I've experience with that sensed weather the film loaded or not is the zx-m. If film is loaded and it isn't advancing the shutter still fires, the camera just doesn't count frames. If I remember correctly this is consistent with many other older model cameras that I've handled. Even in this age where camera manufactures try to idiot proof everything the cost of doing so would be prohibitive. Most cameras will probably set the correct aperture and shutter speed and auto focus regardless of correct film insertion. (Those few that did fail to fire without film could be fooled by a cardboard insert, many came with one). At 09:42 AM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: Hi, Jostein wrote: However, the check for presence of film doesn't start until the back lid is shut. Surely the (correctly loaded) presence of film is detected by the toothed wheels to the right of the film gate? If these turn when the advance motor is working, film is loaded and the camera will fire. If they don't, the film is misloaded or not present and it will not. I don't see how the insert will overcome this. It will be much easier to deal with those units which use LEDs to monitor film movement. mike
RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
Now that's an interesting question. I'm not able to do any direct research since I don't own any other ZX models. At 05:33 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] At 04:37 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: This is not my experience at all. Any 'electronic' camera I have ever used flashes an 'E' and locks up if the film wont load. (MZ-30, MZ-S, mjuii, Ixus etc) However I can deliberately mis-load the example of the ZX=M I own and it will fire and advance even though there is no film movement. Since this camera is based on ZX series I would bet that all other ZX/MZ cameras with the possible exception of the MZ-S will work the same way. I wonder... I am pretty sure my MZ-30 will not work if it misloads. Looking at the cameras, the MZ-M and MZ3/5 look like one family while the MZ-30, MZ-7 and MZ-6 look like another. The former models look to only have a frame counter LCD, whereas the latter show much more and an 'E' flashes for a misload. I wonder if one family or MZ/ZXs handles this differently to the other?
RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc)
I will test properly with my MZ-30 tonight. Although I am sure I have had a misfeed in the past, I cannot state categorically this is the case without verification. -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 19 September 2002 17:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc) Now that's an interesting question. I'm not able to do any direct research since I don't own any other ZX models. At 05:33 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] At 04:37 PM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: This is not my experience at all. Any 'electronic' camera I have ever used flashes an 'E' and locks up if the film wont load. (MZ-30, MZ-S, mjuii, Ixus etc) However I can deliberately mis-load the example of the ZX=M I own and it will fire and advance even though there is no film movement. Since this camera is based on ZX series I would bet that all other ZX/MZ cameras with the possible exception of the MZ-S will work the same way. I wonder... I am pretty sure my MZ-30 will not work if it misloads. Looking at the cameras, the MZ-M and MZ3/5 look like one family while the MZ-30, MZ-7 and MZ-6 look like another. The former models look to only have a frame counter LCD, whereas the latter show much more and an 'E' flashes for a misload. I wonder if one family or MZ/ZXs handles this differently to the other?
