Re: DxO or PhotoAI

2023-01-22 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That sounds far more complex than my own workflow. Most everything I've posted 
marked as a PESO is captured with whatever camera (currently Leica CL, Leica 
M10-M, or Light L16 on the digital side, and even when I'm shooting film my 
capture process is a copy camera technique with the Leica CL or M10-M now). I 
transfer directly into Lightroom Classic. 

The Light L16 adds another step: From camera to the dedicated app "Lumen" for 
initial minor adjustment and output to DNG format, and into LR Classic. Then...

- With about half the photos, the results are whatever LR's default conversion 
is plus a little framing with the Slideshow module. 
- With the other half I tend to add a small vignette and then the framing.

I only rarely do any input sharpening .. in some cases I reduce sharpening to 
soften highlight transitions … what comes out of the cameras is usually sharp 
enough if I got the focus right. Depending on what output products are 
required, I might do a little output sharpening if the output image sizing 
pushes the desired look off the mark. 

Most of the other minor adjustments that might be made deal with scene issues 
to blend transitions, fix flaws (like dust on a negative), or suppress 
unnecessary detail. 

And that's about it.

I have also been testing using Apple's "Photos" app in combination with 
Gentlemen Coders "RAW Power". Photos provides the overall organizational tools, 
RAW Power gives access to image processing functionality in the underlying 
libraries that is a bit less automated and more explicit to what I might want 
to do. The workflow is nearly the same, just different apps, and the image 
results are nearly indistinguishable. The nice part about this app set is that 
it runs on macOS, iOS, and iPadOS so I can use it everywhere, and there's no 
monthly subscription fee. 

I've tested bunches of other image processing apps and not seen much one way or 
another that net me an advantage. 

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> On Jan 20, 2023, at 7:06 AM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to decide what workflow is best. Currently a mix of Topaz
> PhotoAI, DenoiseAI, SharpenAI and DxO Photolab
> 
> https://www.repiuk.nl/projects/GESO/DxO-or-PhotoAI/
> 
> PhotoAI is really a no brainer, fast and integrates smoothly in LR. DxO
> does an excellent job except sharpening which makes DxO and SharpenAI a
> killer combo
> 
> Toine
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Re: DxO or PhotoAI

2023-01-20 Thread Toine
No sharpening in lr. The photoai and dxo plugins work on the original raw
files. In these workflows lr is used for file management and post
processing (for that lr is excellent) they export another dng file. You
could drop lr completely.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, 22:37 Henk Terhell,  wrote:

> What sharpening if any have you applied in LR here as your first step?
> I noticed that considerable improvement in sharpness can be obtained with
> Affinity Photo after processing in LR.
> LR and Photoshop are now staying behind in sharpness and noise reduction
> properties compared to these other programs.
>
> Henk
>
> Op vr 20 jan. 2023 om 16:07 schreef Toine :
>
> > I'm trying to decide what workflow is best. Currently a mix of Topaz
> > PhotoAI, DenoiseAI, SharpenAI and DxO Photolab
> >
> > https://www.repiuk.nl/projects/GESO/DxO-or-PhotoAI/
> >
> > PhotoAI is really a no brainer, fast and integrates smoothly in LR. DxO
> > does an excellent job except sharpening which makes DxO and SharpenAI a
> > killer combo
> >
> > Toine
> >
> >
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Re: DxO or PhotoAI

2023-01-20 Thread Henk Terhell
What sharpening if any have you applied in LR here as your first step?
I noticed that considerable improvement in sharpness can be obtained with
Affinity Photo after processing in LR.
LR and Photoshop are now staying behind in sharpness and noise reduction
properties compared to these other programs.

Henk

Op vr 20 jan. 2023 om 16:07 schreef Toine :

> I'm trying to decide what workflow is best. Currently a mix of Topaz
> PhotoAI, DenoiseAI, SharpenAI and DxO Photolab
>
> https://www.repiuk.nl/projects/GESO/DxO-or-PhotoAI/
>
> PhotoAI is really a no brainer, fast and integrates smoothly in LR. DxO
> does an excellent job except sharpening which makes DxO and SharpenAI a
> killer combo
>
> Toine
>
>
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Re: DxO or PhotoAI

2023-01-20 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 20.01.23 um 16:06 schrieb Toine:

I'm trying to decide what workflow is best. Currently a mix of Topaz
PhotoAI, DenoiseAI, SharpenAI and DxO Photolab


I've switched from LR to ON1 Photo RAW, about two years ago. I'm
currently on the 2023 version and I'm happy with the results. The
denoise function in ON1 works wonders on RAW files and even more so on
film scans.

I also have DxO PL6 but I've found I rarely use it and I don't think
I'll upgrade it any further.

Ralf

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DxO or PhotoAI

2023-01-20 Thread Toine
I'm trying to decide what workflow is best. Currently a mix of Topaz
PhotoAI, DenoiseAI, SharpenAI and DxO Photolab

https://www.repiuk.nl/projects/GESO/DxO-or-PhotoAI/

PhotoAI is really a no brainer, fast and integrates smoothly in LR. DxO
does an excellent job except sharpening which makes DxO and SharpenAI a
killer combo

Toine
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