Re: Gorilla

[Larry Colen]

> On Dec 2, 2022, at 8:46 AM, Stan Halpin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the info and the link to the EFH site!  I am just beginning a 
> short trip, but will be ordering from him once back home.
> Stan

Cool, that looks quite good.


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Re: Gorilla

[Stan Halpin]

Thanks for the info and the link to the EFH site!  I am just beginning a short 
trip, but will be ordering from him once back home.
Stan

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> On Dec 1, 2022, at 11:40 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I have the BEOON as well .. it's useful for quickies, but to do a full roll 
> of film, or a lot of slides, it isn't convenient or as consistent as other 
> jigs. 
> 
> The Essential Film Holder negative carrier, by Andrew Clifforth, is what I've 
> been using for some months now. It's a simple jig, not too expensive, and he 
> can supply a variety of masks for 35mm strips, mounted slides, and various 
> 120 formats. Work with any 2x2 inch mounted slides. The website is here: 
> https://clifforth.co.uk/index2.html
> 
> This and a thin flourescent or LED based light box works great with my copy 
> stand and whatever camera/macro lens setup I need for a format. 
> 
> Since I setup and do my scanning in my office, I minimize ambient light by 
> shutting the blinds and turning off all but my desk lamp at a low setting. 
> I've also done a simple black paper shield surrounding the camera and film 
> stage but haven't found it particularly necessary. The hardest stuff I have 
> to copy are my Polaroids … the ultra-glossy print surface is hellish with 
> respect to reflections and keeping it flat!
> 
> I'm going to set up and do some scanning later today (it's rainy out, I will 
> be home all afternoon it seems). I'll photograph the setup with the EFH in a 
> couple of configurations and post some photos.
> 
> G
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 2:07 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Godfrey. 
>> 
>> One thing I’m doing differently from my first attempts is to use the tubes 
>> and slide holder instead of the Leitz Beoon which I originally used. The 
>> reason for this is to prevent unwanted light altering the colour balance - 
>> I’m too lazy to do it in the dark! The Beoon of course handles several 
>> formats.
>> 
>> My current method doesn’t handle unmounted slides and negatives. I’m not 
>> aware of a film strip holder that will fit the Pentax slide holders I have, 
>> they’re all too thick, so I may need to experiment with butchering a plastic 
>> slide mount, or I may have to close the curtains and switch the lights off.
>> 
 On 1 Dec 2022, at 01:11, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Great set of photos, Bob! 
>>> 
>>> Yes, I have discontinued using film and flatbed scanners for the most part, 
>>> do almost all my negative and transparency scanning using a copy camera 
>>> setup now … similar to yours in some ways, but a different camera and lens 
>>> mix. *
>>> 
>>> It's an easy setup to master if you have a few basic pieces so I agree: 
>>> anyone wanting to do film to digital capture nowadays and who already has 
>>> an interchangeable lens camera should try the copy camera approach first, 
>>> before spending money on any kind of scanner.
>>> 
>>> G
>>> 
>>> * My setup varies depending upon what format and film type I'm capturing. I 
>>> work with formats from Minox 8x11 to 6x9cm so I need a range of different 
>>> film holders and lenses.
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Re: Gorilla

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

There's nothing much smaller than a Minox 8x11mm negative, and they come up 
quite nicely when scanned with a copy-camera setup nowadays: 

  https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/887y1rj38k

I've managed to get some decent 11x14 prints out of them, with a LOT of effort! 
:)

G

> On Dec 1, 2022, at 4:06 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
> 
> I've scanned a considerable number of slides, negatives, and old glossy 
> prints using an Epson V500 scanner, with what I think are good quality 
> results.  The trickiest were old family negatives from other members of the 
> family processed by the local chemist!
> The impossible were the tiny negatives from 70's era insta-type cameras, 
> could never get a decent image from them, and there are no commercial holders 
> available, AFAIK.
> Not sure if this helps!
> 
> 
> John in Brisbane
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RE: Gorilla

[jcoyle]

I've scanned a considerable number of slides, negatives, and old glossy prints 
using an Epson V500 scanner, with what I think are good quality results.  The 
trickiest were old family negatives from other members of the family processed 
by the local chemist!
The impossible were the tiny negatives from 70's era insta-type cameras, could 
never get a decent image from them, and there are no commercial holders 
available, AFAIK.
Not sure if this helps!


John in Brisbane



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From: Godfrey DiGiorgi  
Sent: Friday, 2 December 2022 5:40 AM
To: PDML 
Subject: Re: Gorilla

I have the BEOON as well .. it's useful for quickies, but to do a full roll of 
film, or a lot of slides, it isn't convenient or as consistent as other jigs. 

The Essential Film Holder negative carrier, by Andrew Clifforth, is what I've 
been using for some months now. It's a simple jig, not too expensive, and he 
can supply a variety of masks for 35mm strips, mounted slides, and various 120 
formats. Work with any 2x2 inch mounted slides. The website is here: 
https://clifforth.co.uk/index2.html

This and a thin flourescent or LED based light box works great with my copy 
stand and whatever camera/macro lens setup I need for a format. 

Since I setup and do my scanning in my office, I minimize ambient light by 
shutting the blinds and turning off all but my desk lamp at a low setting. I've 
also done a simple black paper shield surrounding the camera and film stage but 
haven't found it particularly necessary. The hardest stuff I have to copy are 
my Polaroids … the ultra-glossy print surface is hellish with respect to 
reflections and keeping it flat!

I'm going to set up and do some scanning later today (it's rainy out, I will be 
home all afternoon it seems). I'll photograph the setup with the EFH in a 
couple of configurations and post some photos.

G


> On Dec 1, 2022, at 2:07 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Godfrey. 
> 
> One thing I’m doing differently from my first attempts is to use the tubes 
> and slide holder instead of the Leitz Beoon which I originally used. The 
> reason for this is to prevent unwanted light altering the colour balance - 
> I’m too lazy to do it in the dark! The Beoon of course handles several 
> formats.
> 
> My current method doesn’t handle unmounted slides and negatives. I’m not 
> aware of a film strip holder that will fit the Pentax slide holders I have, 
> they’re all too thick, so I may need to experiment with butchering a plastic 
> slide mount, or I may have to close the curtains and switch the lights off.
> 
>> On 1 Dec 2022, at 01:11, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Great set of photos, Bob! 
>> 
>> Yes, I have discontinued using film and flatbed scanners for the most 
>> part, do almost all my negative and transparency scanning using a 
>> copy camera setup now … similar to yours in some ways, but a 
>> different camera and lens mix. *
>> 
>> It's an easy setup to master if you have a few basic pieces so I agree: 
>> anyone wanting to do film to digital capture nowadays and who already has an 
>> interchangeable lens camera should try the copy camera approach first, 
>> before spending money on any kind of scanner.
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> * My setup varies depending upon what format and film type I'm capturing. I 
>> work with formats from Minox 8x11 to 6x9cm so I need a range of different 
>> film holders and lenses.
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Re: Gorilla

[Bob Pdml]

Yes, I have an EFH too, although I haven’t used it yet. I plan to try it with a 
Copipod holding the camera and tubes and will use something to block out 
whatever extraneous light could get in. Will be interested to see your setup.

B

> On 1 Dec 2022, at 19:40, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I have the BEOON as well .. it's useful for quickies, but to do a full roll 
> of film, or a lot of slides, it isn't convenient or as consistent as other 
> jigs. 
> 
> The Essential Film Holder negative carrier, by Andrew Clifforth, is what I've 
> been using for some months now. It's a simple jig, not too expensive, and he 
> can supply a variety of masks for 35mm strips, mounted slides, and various 
> 120 formats. Work with any 2x2 inch mounted slides. The website is here: 
> https://clifforth.co.uk/index2.html
> 
> This and a thin flourescent or LED based light box works great with my copy 
> stand and whatever camera/macro lens setup I need for a format. 
> 
> Since I setup and do my scanning in my office, I minimize ambient light by 
> shutting the blinds and turning off all but my desk lamp at a low setting. 
> I've also done a simple black paper shield surrounding the camera and film 
> stage but haven't found it particularly necessary. The hardest stuff I have 
> to copy are my Polaroids … the ultra-glossy print surface is hellish with 
> respect to reflections and keeping it flat!
> 
> I'm going to set up and do some scanning later today (it's rainy out, I will 
> be home all afternoon it seems). I'll photograph the setup with the EFH in a 
> couple of configurations and post some photos.
> 
> G
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Re: Gorilla

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have the BEOON as well .. it's useful for quickies, but to do a full roll of 
film, or a lot of slides, it isn't convenient or as consistent as other jigs. 

The Essential Film Holder negative carrier, by Andrew Clifforth, is what I've 
been using for some months now. It's a simple jig, not too expensive, and he 
can supply a variety of masks for 35mm strips, mounted slides, and various 120 
formats. Work with any 2x2 inch mounted slides. The website is here: 
https://clifforth.co.uk/index2.html

This and a thin flourescent or LED based light box works great with my copy 
stand and whatever camera/macro lens setup I need for a format. 

Since I setup and do my scanning in my office, I minimize ambient light by 
shutting the blinds and turning off all but my desk lamp at a low setting. I've 
also done a simple black paper shield surrounding the camera and film stage but 
haven't found it particularly necessary. The hardest stuff I have to copy are 
my Polaroids … the ultra-glossy print surface is hellish with respect to 
reflections and keeping it flat!

I'm going to set up and do some scanning later today (it's rainy out, I will be 
home all afternoon it seems). I'll photograph the setup with the EFH in a 
couple of configurations and post some photos.

G


> On Dec 1, 2022, at 2:07 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Godfrey. 
> 
> One thing I’m doing differently from my first attempts is to use the tubes 
> and slide holder instead of the Leitz Beoon which I originally used. The 
> reason for this is to prevent unwanted light altering the colour balance - 
> I’m too lazy to do it in the dark! The Beoon of course handles several 
> formats.
> 
> My current method doesn’t handle unmounted slides and negatives. I’m not 
> aware of a film strip holder that will fit the Pentax slide holders I have, 
> they’re all too thick, so I may need to experiment with butchering a plastic 
> slide mount, or I may have to close the curtains and switch the lights off.
> 
>> On 1 Dec 2022, at 01:11, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Great set of photos, Bob! 
>> 
>> Yes, I have discontinued using film and flatbed scanners for the most part, 
>> do almost all my negative and transparency scanning using a copy camera 
>> setup now … similar to yours in some ways, but a different camera and lens 
>> mix. *
>> 
>> It's an easy setup to master if you have a few basic pieces so I agree: 
>> anyone wanting to do film to digital capture nowadays and who already has an 
>> interchangeable lens camera should try the copy camera approach first, 
>> before spending money on any kind of scanner.
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> * My setup varies depending upon what format and film type I'm capturing. I 
>> work with formats from Minox 8x11 to 6x9cm so I need a range of different 
>> film holders and lenses.
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Re: Gorilla

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I have the BEOON as well .. it's useful for quickies, but to do a full roll of 
film, or a lot of slides, it isn't convenient or as consistent as other jigs. 

The Essential Film Holder negative carrier, by Andrew Clifforth, is what I've 
been using for some months now. It's a simple jig, not too expensive, and he 
can supply a variety of masks for 35mm strips, mounted slides, and various 120 
formats. Work with any 2x2 inch mounted slides. The website is here: 
https://clifforth.co.uk/index2.html

This and a thin flourescent or LED based light box works great with my copy 
stand and whatever camera/macro lens setup I need for a format. 

Since I setup and do my scanning in my office, I minimize ambient light by 
shutting the blinds and turning off all but my desk lamp at a low setting. I've 
also done a simple black paper shield surrounding the camera and film stage but 
haven't found it particularly necessary. The hardest stuff I have to copy are 
my Polaroids … the ultra-glossy print surface is hellish with respect to 
reflections and keeping it flat!

I'm going to set up and do some scanning later today (it's rainy out, I will be 
home all afternoon it seems). I'll photograph the setup with the EFH in a 
couple of configurations and post some photos.

G


> On Dec 1, 2022, at 2:07 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Godfrey. 
> 
> One thing I’m doing differently from my first attempts is to use the tubes 
> and slide holder instead of the Leitz Beoon which I originally used. The 
> reason for this is to prevent unwanted light altering the colour balance - 
> I’m too lazy to do it in the dark! The Beoon of course handles several 
> formats.
> 
> My current method doesn’t handle unmounted slides and negatives. I’m not 
> aware of a film strip holder that will fit the Pentax slide holders I have, 
> they’re all too thick, so I may need to experiment with butchering a plastic 
> slide mount, or I may have to close the curtains and switch the lights off.
> 
>> On 1 Dec 2022, at 01:11, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> Great set of photos, Bob! 
>> 
>> Yes, I have discontinued using film and flatbed scanners for the most part, 
>> do almost all my negative and transparency scanning using a copy camera 
>> setup now … similar to yours in some ways, but a different camera and lens 
>> mix. *
>> 
>> It's an easy setup to master if you have a few basic pieces so I agree: 
>> anyone wanting to do film to digital capture nowadays and who already has an 
>> interchangeable lens camera should try the copy camera approach first, 
>> before spending money on any kind of scanner.
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> * My setup varies depending upon what format and film type I'm capturing. I 
>> work with formats from Minox 8x11 to 6x9cm so I need a range of different 
>> film holders and lenses.
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Re: Gorilla

[Bob Pdml]

Thanks Godfrey. 

One thing I’m doing differently from my first attempts is to use the tubes and 
slide holder instead of the Leitz Beoon which I originally used. The reason for 
this is to prevent unwanted light altering the colour balance - I’m too lazy to 
do it in the dark! The Beoon of course handles several formats.

My current method doesn’t handle unmounted slides and negatives. I’m not aware 
of a film strip holder that will fit the Pentax slide holders I have, they’re 
all too thick, so I may need to experiment with butchering a plastic slide 
mount, or I may have to close the curtains and switch the lights off.

> On 1 Dec 2022, at 01:11, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Great set of photos, Bob! 
> 
> Yes, I have discontinued using film and flatbed scanners for the most part, 
> do almost all my negative and transparency scanning using a copy camera setup 
> now … similar to yours in some ways, but a different camera and lens mix. *
> 
> It's an easy setup to master if you have a few basic pieces so I agree: 
> anyone wanting to do film to digital capture nowadays and who already has an 
> interchangeable lens camera should try the copy camera approach first, before 
> spending money on any kind of scanner.
> 
> G
> 
> * My setup varies depending upon what format and film type I'm capturing. I 
> work with formats from Minox 8x11 to 6x9cm so I need a range of different 
> film holders and lenses.
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Re: Gorilla

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Great set of photos, Bob! 

Yes, I have discontinued using film and flatbed scanners for the most part, do 
almost all my negative and transparency scanning using a copy camera setup now 
… similar to yours in some ways, but a different camera and lens mix. *

It's an easy setup to master if you have a few basic pieces so I agree: anyone 
wanting to do film to digital capture nowadays and who already has an 
interchangeable lens camera should try the copy camera approach first, before 
spending money on any kind of scanner.

G

* My setup varies depending upon what format and film type I'm capturing. I 
work with formats from Minox 8x11 to 6x9cm so I need a range of different film 
holders and lenses.

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 5:06 AM, Bob Pdml  wrote:
> 
> I wrote a longish reply yesterday to Larry and John in Stan’s thread about 
> scanning, but the server told me to f*ck off even though the only vaguely 
> HTMLy stuff was John and Larry’s email addresses, which the server itself had 
> sent me! Won’t eat its own dog food.
> 
> Anyway, these photos illustrate what I was saying about how I’m now 
> ‘scanning’.
> 
> The pictures were shot in 1998/9 on Kodachrome, I can’t remember which zoo it 
> was. Almost certainly shot with a Pentax LX, Pentax-A 400mm f5.6 lens and 
> possibly a 1.4X extender.
> 
> I digitised them and a bunch of others yesterday using a LUMIX GX8 attached 
> via a Novoflex MFT/PENT adapter to a Pentax-M 50mm f4 macro. This was 
> attached with a 49mm reversing adapter to a Pentax auto extension tube #3 
> which in turn was attached to a slide holder 1X K. This gives a 1:1 
> reproduction ratio which means there is very little cropping needed to make 
> the 4/3rds image fit the original 35mm format. With a full frame body it 
> would be even easier, but my only full frame digital camera only does black 
> and white. The light source was a Kaiser slimlite plano. I used focus 
> peaking, lowest ISO available, f/8 and Aperture priority.
> 
> The point of all this is that I find the whole process and outputs much 
> better, quicker and easier than a scanner. I used to have a Nikon LS1000 (?) 
> but the process was awful and the results nowhere near as good as I’m getting 
> now. So my recommendation to anyone thinking of getting a scanner is, try 
> this first, it really is surprisingly good and simple.
> 
>> < https://adobe.ly/3gMZ5V7  >
>> 
>> Will comment if the server lets this through.
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Re: Gorilla

[Bob Pdml]

I wrote a longish reply yesterday to Larry and John in Stan’s thread about 
scanning, but the server told me to f*ck off even though the only vaguely HTMLy 
stuff was John and Larry’s email addresses, which the server itself had sent 
me! Won’t eat its own dog food.

Anyway, these photos illustrate what I was saying about how I’m now ‘scanning’.

The pictures were shot in 1998/9 on Kodachrome, I can’t remember which zoo it 
was. Almost certainly shot with a Pentax LX, Pentax-A 400mm f5.6 lens and 
possibly a 1.4X extender.

I digitised them and a bunch of others yesterday using a LUMIX GX8 attached via 
a Novoflex MFT/PENT adapter to a Pentax-M 50mm f4 macro. This was attached with 
a 49mm reversing adapter to a Pentax auto extension tube #3 which in turn was 
attached to a slide holder 1X K. This gives a 1:1 reproduction ratio which 
means there is very little cropping needed to make the 4/3rds image fit the 
original 35mm format. With a full frame body it would be even easier, but my 
only full frame digital camera only does black and white. The light source was 
a Kaiser slimlite plano. I used focus peaking, lowest ISO available, f/8 and 
Aperture priority.

The point of all this is that I find the whole process and outputs much better, 
quicker and easier than a scanner. I used to have a Nikon LS1000 (?) but the 
process was awful and the results nowhere near as good as I’m getting now. So 
my recommendation to anyone thinking of getting a scanner is, try this first, 
it really is surprisingly good and simple.

> < https://adobe.ly/3gMZ5V7  >
> 
> Will comment if the server lets this through.
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Gorilla

[Bob Pdml]

< https://adobe.ly/3gMZ5V7  >

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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[mike wilson]

 
 From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2006/11/14 Tue PM 11:52:58 GMT
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room
 
 
 
 Bob W wrote:
 
  Actually Ann, I think you are seeing a mixed metaphor in 'the 800
  pound gorilla in the room'. One person talked about the 800 pound
  gorilla. as being, basically, the alpha male, silverback or dominant
  person, which is quite a convincing metaphor, but it seems to have got
  itself mixed up with the elephant in the room, which is a different
  kettle of fish.
 
 er... large kettle, what?
 
 
 
  Personally, I think a gorilla should cost a lot more than 800 pounds,
  but that's eBay for you.
 
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  Cheers,
   Bob
 
 doggedly optmistic are you?
 
 ohoh, here we go again
 
 ann

I've got Gnus for you.  He's lion.


 
 
 
 
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   Subject: Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room
  
   What is fascinating is the slight variations on what all of you
   (who answered quickly, so apparently have no lives :) :) )
   mentioned.
  
   I had kinda guessed wrong about the origin, I see.
  
   Thanks to you all!
  
   ann
  
   Mark Roberts wrote:
  
ann sanfedele wrote:
   
any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
thumb.
the gorilla says
but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
room
after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
other -
maybe investments.
   
The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or
   agency that is
so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no
  one
can challenge.
   
Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing
   software business
   
Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry
   photo business
   
etc. etc.
   
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way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[ann sanfedele]

any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
thumb.
the gorilla says
but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
room
after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
other -
maybe investments.

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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[P. J. Alling]

I think it's a twist on the old joke,

Where does an 800 pound gorilla sleep?

Any where he wants to.
rim shot

(thank you very much I'll be here all week...)
ann sanfedele wrote:
 any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
 turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
 to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
 thumb.
 the gorilla says
 but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
 room
 after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
 other -
 maybe investments.

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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[Mark Roberts]

ann sanfedele wrote:

any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
thumb.
the gorilla says
but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
room
after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
other -
maybe investments.

The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or agency that is 
so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no one 
can challenge.

Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing software business

Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry photo business

etc. etc.



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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[skye]

My guess is it started off as an elephant and mutated into a gorilla.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room

On 11/14/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
 turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
 to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
 thumb.
 the gorilla says
 but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
 room
 after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
 other -
 maybe investments.

 ann



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RE: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[Bob W]

I'm familiar with it as the term 'the elephant in the living room',
meaning something big, obvious and difficult to avoid that people
don't want to talk about, but can't miss. For example, Tony Blair
tries to avoid talking about the lies etc. leading up to the war in
Iraq, tries to forget that it has all turned into a disaster and urges
us to 'move on', but as far as his incumbency as PM is concerned, Iraq
is the elephant in the living room.

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 Subject: Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room
 
 My guess is it started off as an elephant and mutated into a
gorilla.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_in_the_room
 
 On 11/14/06, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
  turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
  to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
  thumb.
  the gorilla says
  but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
  room
  after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
  other -
  maybe investments.
 
  ann
 
 
 
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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[Gonz]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ann sanfedele wrote:
 
 
any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
thumb.
the gorilla says
but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
room
after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
other -
maybe investments.
 
 
 The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or agency that is 
 so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no one 
 can challenge.
 
 Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing software business
 
 Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry photo business
 
Dont forget:

Mark Roberts is the 800-pound gorilla of the metaphor business

 etc. etc.
 
 
 

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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[Jack Davis]

Either that or I've heard it sometimes used in the same context as,
the elephant in the room. A very well known or obvious condition
relating to one or more present, but yet unaddressed.

Jack 

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ann sanfedele wrote:
  
  
 any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
 turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
 to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
 thumb.
 the gorilla says
 but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
 room
 after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
 other -
 maybe investments.
  
  
  The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or agency that
 is 
  so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no
 one 
  can challenge.
  
  Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing software
 business
  
  Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry photo
 business
  
 Dont forget:
 
 Mark Roberts is the 800-pound gorilla of the metaphor business
 
  etc. etc.
  
  
  
 
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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[Bob Shell]

I think it goes back to an old joke:

What does an 800 pound gorilla eat?

Whatever the hell he wants to eat!

Bob

On Nov 14, 2006, at 2:19 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 ann sanfedele wrote:

 any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
 turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
 to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
 thumb.
 the gorilla says
 but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
 room
 after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
 other -
 maybe investments.

 The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or agency that is
 so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no one
 can challenge.

 Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing software  
 business

 Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry photo  
 business

 etc. etc.



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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[ann sanfedele]

What is fascinating is the slight variations on what all of you
(who answered quickly, so apparently have no lives :) :) )
mentioned.

I had kinda guessed wrong about the origin, I see.

Thanks to you all!

ann

Mark Roberts wrote:

 ann sanfedele wrote:

 any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
 turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
 to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
 thumb.
 the gorilla says
 but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
 room
 after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
 other -
 maybe investments.

 The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or agency that is
 so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no one
 can challenge.

 Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing software business

 Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry photo business

 etc. etc.

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RE: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[Bob W]

Actually Ann, I think you are seeing a mixed metaphor in 'the 800
pound gorilla in the room'. One person talked about the 800 pound
gorilla. as being, basically, the alpha male, silverback or dominant
person, which is quite a convincing metaphor, but it seems to have got
itself mixed up with the elephant in the room, which is a different
kettle of fish.

Personally, I think a gorilla should cost a lot more than 800 pounds,
but that's eBay for you.

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 Sent: 14 November 2006 20:45
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 Subject: Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room
 
 What is fascinating is the slight variations on what all of you
 (who answered quickly, so apparently have no lives :) :) )
 mentioned.
 
 I had kinda guessed wrong about the origin, I see.
 
 Thanks to you all!
 
 ann
 
 Mark Roberts wrote:
 
  ann sanfedele wrote:
 
  any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
  turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
  to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
  thumb.
  the gorilla says
  but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
  room
  after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
  other -
  maybe investments.
 
  The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or 
 agency that is
  so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no
one
  can challenge.
 
  Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing 
 software business
 
  Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry 
 photo business
 
  etc. etc.
 
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Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room

[ann sanfedele]

Bob W wrote:

 Actually Ann, I think you are seeing a mixed metaphor in 'the 800
 pound gorilla in the room'. One person talked about the 800 pound
 gorilla. as being, basically, the alpha male, silverback or dominant
 person, which is quite a convincing metaphor, but it seems to have got
 itself mixed up with the elephant in the room, which is a different
 kettle of fish.

er... large kettle, what?



 Personally, I think a gorilla should cost a lot more than 800 pounds,
 but that's eBay for you.

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doggedly optmistic are you?

ohoh, here we go again

ann




  -Original Message-
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  Subject: Re: way OT: 800 pound gorilla in the room
 
  What is fascinating is the slight variations on what all of you
  (who answered quickly, so apparently have no lives :) :) )
  mentioned.
 
  I had kinda guessed wrong about the origin, I see.
 
  Thanks to you all!
 
  ann
 
  Mark Roberts wrote:
 
   ann sanfedele wrote:
  
   any of you guys know where this originated?  it is
   turning up in a commerical here in the USA - seems
   to me to mean something akin to sticking out like a sore
   thumb.
   the gorilla says
   but what do I know, I'm only the 800 pound gorilla in the
   room
   after offering advice to a couple pondering something or
   other -
   maybe investments.
  
   The 800-pound gorilla is a metaphor for any person or
  agency that is
   so big and powerful that he/she/it dominates totally and whom no
 one
   can challenge.
  
   Adobe is the 800-pound gorilla of the image editing
  software business
  
   Frank Theriault is the 800-pound gorilla of the blurry
  photo business
  
   etc. etc.
  
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