RE: Some examples of actual pictures, WAS: Hands up who crops?

2003-02-12 Thread Rob Brigham
years!! -Original Message- From: Mike Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 February 2003 01:33 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some examples of actual pictures, WAS: Hands up who crops? just having a quick look at your shots on Sunday photog, you have a perfect example

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-12 Thread Paul Franklin Stregevsky
I own Capturing the Moment, the Newseum's collection of all Pulitzer-prize-winning photos from the 1940s to the late 1990s. In several of the photos that had been shot in crowded scenes with a 20 or a 24, there is no tell-tale line convergence or curvature at the edges. That tells me these photos

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Feb 2003 at 7:47, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: I own Capturing the Moment, the Newseum's collection of all Pulitzer-prize-winning photos from the 1940s to the late 1990s. In several of the photos that had been shot in crowded scenes with a 20 or a 24, there is no tell-tale line

Re: Hands up who crops?

2003-02-12 Thread Mark Roberts
The answer to this question depends on whether I'm shooting for myself (artsy stuff for which I can impose my own pretentious, anal-retentive standards...just like everyone else g) or for someone else. For myself, I can recall only 2 photos that I've cropped in the past 10 years or so. Both were

Re: Hands up who crops?

2003-02-12 Thread Dan Scott
On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 03:51 AM, Rob Brigham wrote: OK lets have a show of hands. Me. Whenever I think a photo can be enhanced by cropping, I do it. Same with increasing contrast, blurring, burning, dodging, applying usm, etc.. Just another tool. Dan Scott

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-12 Thread Paul Franklin Stregevsky
On 12 Feb 2003 at 7:47, I wrote: I own Capturing the Moment, the Newseum's collection of all Pulitzer-prize-winning photos from the 1940s to the late 1990s. In several of the photos that had been shot in crowded scenes with a 20 or a 24, there is no tell-tale line convergence or curvature

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-12 Thread Rob Studdert
On 12 Feb 2003 at 20:38, Paul Franklin Stregevsky wrote: Rob, It wasn't so much the absence of barrel distortion as the lack of the familiar converging vertical lines effect and elongate faces that you invariably find at the edges of a wide-angle photo. The faces of people at the edges

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Matt Greene
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most of the time I try very hard to compose exactly what I want in the viewfinder, but a) I'm sometimes unable to do so because of not being able to change my location quickly enough or not having quite as long a lens as I needed at that

Hands up who crops?

2003-02-11 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Rob Brigham said: OK lets have a show of hands. Who here often finds they left just a little too much space around their subject, either due to not framing as well as possible or because you couldn't get close enough of enough magnification. Who here sometimes takes a lanscape format

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Alling
I'll admit it, I crop, (I feel like I'm in an AA meeting). Often I will compose a photo knowing I intend to crop from the beginning, some subjects just scream out for a panoramic treatment, or square treatment, as well as the reasons Bob listed At 09:51 AM 2/11/2003 +, Bob wrote: OK lets

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Bruce Dayton
Rob, Sounds like square format would actually work well for you. I used to shoot too tight and when it came time to frame, I would not have enough around the edges so the subject would be uncomfortably tight in the frame. From my experience, at least with people shots, it is better to be just a

RE: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Rob Brigham
I agree I need both, but on the longer telephoto score, as I said both a 600mm and/or a track pass for a Grand Prix are out of my league. I do need to improve my skills, but just having a quick look at your shots on Sunday photog, you have a perfect example of the kind of crop I do for people

Hands up who crops?

2003-02-11 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And nobody has even mentioned the poor, neglected spies and private eyes that need as much information in their photos as they can get. They need to read license plates and recognize people's faces from a distance, you know. they used to use

RE: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread J. C. O'Connell
With 35mm I compose very carefully and usually print full frame. BUT, with 67 and 4X5 I intentionally shoot a little wider than my final vision and crop to perfection during the printing phase. Why because with the higher resolution formats you can afford to crop, with 35mm you cant. Secondly,

Re: Hands up who crops?

2003-02-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
I crop, I'd say , only about 15% of what I print. Usually because of not having time to focus in on what I want in the picture, shooting out of car windows, etc. I'm not counting trimming the very edges of the frame just a tad to eliminate vignetting or a stray hair, branch , etc that I

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Rob, I try ~real hard~ not to crop, and I'd guess that 90% to 95% of my shots are only cropped as necessary to fit the print format. That being said, sometimes it is impossible to get that pesky telephone wire or lampost out of the frame, and I know at the time I take the shot that a crop

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Treena
it fit where it needs to. When I do a picture page, unless I'm getting rid of a really distracting element, I rarely crop. - Original Message - From: Rob Brigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:51 AM Subject: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10print?)

2003-02-11 Thread frank theriault
Hi, Rob, Taken way back around '75, I'd guess, with my old Praktica and a Soligor 300mm, most likely with a 2x converter (but maybe not, hell, I can't remember that far back!): http://www.urbancaravan.com/images/perkins_car.jpg By the time the F1 races started in the afternoon, I'd had a few

RE: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
...with 67 and 4X5 I intentionally shoot a little wider than my final vision and crop to perfection during the printing phase. Why because with the higher resolution formats you can afford to crop, with 35mm you cant. Is that one of those cast in stone photographers rules? Rob Studdert

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread Rob Studdert
OK lets have a show of hands. Who here often finds they left just a little too much space around their subject, either due to not framing as well as possible or because you couldn't get close enough of enough magnification. Who here sometimes takes a lanscape format portrait and realises

Some examples of actual pictures, WAS: Hands up who crops?

2003-02-11 Thread Mike Johnston
just having a quick look at your shots on Sunday photog, you have a perfect example of the kind of crop I do for people shots. In your article on flare (the first one I cam across with people shots when looking back) there is one titled mj-morgan. If you cropped that from landscape to

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread wendy beard
At 08:39 PM 11/02/2003 -0500, you wrote: ...with 67 and 4X5 I intentionally shoot a little wider than my final vision and crop to perfection during the printing phase. Why because with the higher resolution formats you can afford to crop, with 35mm you cant. Is that one of those cast in

Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?)

2003-02-11 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert Subject: Re: Hands up who crops? (was: Megapixels required for an 8X10 print?) I only crop when the found view looks a little too found. Since my viewfinder doesn't match my negative perfectly, I have to crop to what my viewfinder sees