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Peter Alling wrote:
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Company from HELL!
Updated: August 15, 2003
- Original Message -
From: alex wetmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
So did I get lost in the car forum or is this supposed
Opel is a GM car. Always has been.
Peter Alling wrote:
GM owned enough of ISUZU to dictate design and production decisions to them
in the 70's.
GM at one time imported Opel Kadets from Germany and sold them through
Buick dealerships
of all places. When it became too expensive to get the
A 1993 model Saturn? Which one?
That was pretty early in the Saturn line.
Nevertheless, a brand new line of cars, and a manual transmission lasts
for over 230,000 miles, well that is pretty good, all by itself.
An average of 23,000 miles a year is pretty high milage.
Sounds to me like you got a
Hey, Bucky,
I'm getting real confused here - but hell, with all the share transfers, and
rebadged autos that have sold all over, who can keep track?
Someone else, off list, reminded me that the Geo Storm was an Isuzu. IIRC,
Geo was going to be GM's import or Japanese division. Didn't the
5-speed 2000 SW2 here, also; with about 57,000 miles on it. Never owned a car
with an automatic transmission. Won't buy an SLR without DOF preview,
either.
Have not been following this post but I think if Pentax were an automobile
company it would be a subaru. Useful, well designed, not flashy
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
William,
When you mentioned much earlier in this thread that you have a Saab, I was
thinking that might be an apt automotive comparison to Pentax. Especially
a
couple of years ago, before GM (is it GM that owns them?) acquired them
Maybe GM didn't own Isuzu, but wasn't there a marketing agreement between
the two, maybe 10 years back? I can't remember, but I'm sure that GM
rebadged some Isuzu product for US sales. Much like they rebadged Toyota
Corollas as Novas (that wasn't a flop, was it?).
Damn, what was it? They
Oh yes, Frank. There is a lot of that going on. The Isuzu PUP and the
Chevy S-10 pickup were both built on the same assembly line in
California. Different drive trains and minor trim but essensially the
same vehicle. The Ford Explorer and the Mazda 4x4 were build an the same
assembly line in
not their part.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I still want to hear about that tranny! g
Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km
(thats 62,500 miles
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car,
and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them
from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might
Bob S:
For a less flattering comparison, I'd think about Saab's.
My experience is dated, but I think about the 2 cycle engines firing by,
butt ugly cars, and the odd folks who owned them.
They were irrationally loyal - a good match for Pentax camera loyalists.
Yes, veeery dated... Those...
could go on, but I shan't. vbg
cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like
William Johnson:
Yeah, GM owns SAAB now, but I know looking at the new models that the key is
still between the seats! :-)
Yes, but it's electronic, and you don't have to put it in reverse to
take the key out!
anders
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http://anders.hultman.nu/
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GM does own Isuzu, much like they own Saab and a number of other
companies. But they don't build Isuzu cars or Saab cars. Nor do they
build the transmission Bill is complaining about. They do make GM cars,
which have scored
Auto-tranny, no way, I like to have control over my machines, not the other way
around. Ten years and 230,000 miles and the damned thing just came apart.
Then don't build them like they used to, and its a good thing too...
At 02:00 PM 10/12/03, you wrote:
Automatic tranny?
I only have 1/10 the
transmissions. They buy them
from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses,
but it's not their part.
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I still want to hear about that tranny! g
Well, the GM
GM owned enough of ISUZU to dictate design and production decisions to them
in the 70's.
GM at one time imported Opel Kadets from Germany and sold them through
Buick dealerships
of all places. When it became too expensive to get the Opels from Germany
they had ISUZU
build them and imported
Asuna?
At 10:16 AM 10/13/03, you wrote:
Maybe GM didn't own Isuzu, but wasn't there a marketing agreement between
the two, maybe 10 years back? I can't remember, but I'm sure that GM
rebadged some Isuzu product for US sales. Much like they rebadged Toyota
Corollas as Novas (that wasn't a
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't
getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
Peugot in the UK has an excellent quality reputation AFAIK, and some of
the hottest cars around.
This from what I've heard...I don't drive
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Maybe, but it will take a generation for them to shed their poor quality
lets dupe the public image.
I don't think so. Look how quickly Mercedes-Benz has shed their high
quality image. And GM sales are strong and getting stronger
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:51:04 -0700
Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Paul,
GM does has a higher quality rating than Benz at the moment,
they (GM) have come a long way in the last five years. Being
a consumer (I consumed one in April, very tough to get down ;))
ROFL...
Boris
Automatic tranny?
I only have 1/10 the miles on my 4 year old SW-2 Saturn wagon, but it's
a stick with a 5 speed tranny.
I'm still very well pleased with the quality and - so far - durability.
I've owned foreign sports cars, and later coupes and sports sedans since
1956, far preferring the
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I still want to hear about that tranny! g
Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km
(thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired).
Cost two
Auto or stick?
keith
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I still want to hear about that tranny! g
Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km
(thats 62,500
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Auto or stick?
Auto.
William Robb
Boris may think it's funny, but Mercedes-Benz doesn't. They're getting
their ass kicked worldwide.
Boris Liberman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:51:04 -0700
Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Paul,
GM does has a higher quality rating than Benz at the moment,
they (GM) have come a
: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I still want to hear about that tranny! g
Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km
(thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired).
Cost two and a half grand to fix.
I was mighty
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Peugot in the UK has an excellent quality reputation AFAIK, and some of
the hottest cars around.
This from what I've heard...I don't drive cars.
you just ride around in helicopters instead, eh? ;o)
Land Rovers!
Cheers,
Cotty
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really missed that 'Benz, but next car, I went back to manual
transmissions... g
keith
William Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Auto or stick?
Auto.
William Robb
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car,
and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build
: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Boris may think it's funny, but Mercedes-Benz doesn't. They're getting
their ass kicked worldwide.
Boris Liberman wrote:
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:51:04 -0700
Steve Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Sorry - reposting cuz my email app is having a spasm with the subject
line and it keeps coming out with gobbledy-guck. Sorta like the content.
*
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
HUH? What DO you drive? Or do you? Velocipede, motorcycle, what?
1978: 1971 Rover 2000 SC
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
that's a nice selection!
However, I miss the Landrover Freelander (best 4x4xfar :-) )
Hans B.
Danke. They dealer lets me play in a Freelander when the Disco is in for
a service. Like being on a skateboard!
Q: What's the fastest car in the world?
A
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Been meaning to ask you, Cot, ol' pal, what do you think of Land Rovers?
No, tell the truth!
They carry lots of Pentax gear. (Yeah, swings it back, baby. Swings it back!)
Cheers,
Cotty
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On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Okay, I like that list. (I work on Jeep advertising for Europe, Asia
Pacific, and South America.)
Paul
One of the projects that I want to do before I die is build a CJ5 from
scratch. I will do it, maybe not for 20 years but hell's teeth I Will Do It.
No problem. I did get that post about an hour and 20 minutes ago...
keith
Cotty wrote:
Sorry - reposting cuz my email app is having a spasm with the subject
line and it keeps coming out with gobbledy-guck. Sorta like the content.
*
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Sent: 12 October 2003 12:43
To: pentax list
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd
make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make
Robb wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Keith Whaley
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I still want to hear about that tranny! g
Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km
(thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired).
Cost two
I'll leave that for the Peugeot owners to take it up with ya.. Alin? :)
Rgds,
Ryan
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I
wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
But Peugeot has a quality problem. Pentax does
Paul wrote:
PS But Peugeot has a quality problem. Pentax does not.
I wouldn't know as I never had issues with either. Admittedly I keep
both in great shape and ready for launch. Come to think of it, it's
remarkable how well they team together when it comes to get at the
right time and
Ryan wrote:
RL Btw, being Peugeois, you must have watched Taxi and Taxi 2? Think it was Luc
RL Besson.. hilarious French Fry Peugeots taking potshots at them Germ Mercs.
RL Good veg out movies..
Hi Ryan,
Actually I'll pick up the Taxi 2 to cheer up the rainy day that
glooms tomorrow. If
frank theriault wrote, re Lotus:
One day, if I win the lottery...
I've got a new (lottery) lust object, soon to appear
this side of the pond. Have you seen the Elise?
Regards,
Stephen
What are they REALLY called, then?
keith
John Francis wrote:
Caterham has improved them a bit. Many more engine options. De Dion rear
suspension. Actual seats that slide forward and backward to adjust for
different sized drivers.
But, they're still pretty basic, elemental
No. Neither have I heard of any such.
What might it be?
keith
Stephen Moore wrote:
frank theriault wrote, re Lotus:
One day, if I win the lottery...
I've got a new (lottery) lust object, soon to appear
this side of the pond. Have you seen the Elise?
Regards,
Stephen
Well, whaddya know? That's the real company name, not a nickname.
It was originally derived from Rotary+Lotus; the original cars were
mostly rotary-engined. They ended up with three variants using Mazda
engines (including one with twin turbos!), and some pretty frightening
conventional engines
it was funny, anyway...
g
cheers,
frank
The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: William Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile
-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:50:47 -0700
alex wetmore wrote:
So did I get lost in the car forum or is this supposed to be the
Pentax forum? I think I'm remembering why I dropped off of it a few
years
alex wetmore wrote:
So did I get lost in the car forum or is this supposed to be the
Pentax forum? I think I'm remembering why I dropped off of it a few
years ago.
Come on Alex, you should know that it only takes one mention of a classic car or bike
to set the boys off with their nostalgic
Paul wrote:
They've learned more than that. Look at the JD Power results for both
initial satisfaction and long term durability. GM is now right at the
top of the heap. Which only goes to prove that cubic dollars can make
it happen.
Maybe, but it will take a generation for them to shed their
Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
Alfa Romeo
for me !
Yes! Especially the pre-Fiat Alfas: wonderful performance
and handling, and a (mostly) charming set of idiosyncrasies,
sneaking under the mainstream radar. Not to mention a hard
core of aficionados. It never surprised me that I've wound
up with
2? Think it was Luc
Besson.. hilarious French Fry Peugeots taking potshots at them Germ Mercs.
Good veg out movies..
:),
Ryan
- Original Message -
From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ryan Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like
Well, I once had a white 1958 Guilletta. Still have a set of ball joints
for the front end! Never did replace them...
Loved that car!
keith
Stephen Moore wrote:
Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
Alfa Romeo
for me !
Yes! Especially the pre-Fiat Alfas: wonderful performance
and handling,
Stephen Moore a écrit:
Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
Alfa Romeo
for me !
Yes! Especially the pre-Fiat Alfas: wonderful performance
and handling, and a (mostly) charming set of idiosyncrasies,
sneaking under the mainstream radar. Not to mention a hard
core of aficionados. It never surprised me
Uhhh, that's Giulietta. The Spider version. Thankfully, I rarely had
to spell it! g
keith
Keith Whaley wrote:
Well, I once had a white 1958 Guilletta. Still have a set of ball joints
for the front end! Never did replace them...
Loved that car!
[. . .]
See:
http://www.caterham.co.uk/
See:http://www.old-jalopies-I-have-owned.com/rusty-jap.htm
worlds. The pessimist
fears it is true. -J. Robert Oppenheimer
From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:34:02 -0400
Gee, the Super 7 still lives. I really wanted one
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:34:02 -0400
Gee, the Super 7 still lives. I really wanted one of those when I was a
tad. Tell's you how long those things have been around, they had cycle type
front fenders back
Caterham has improved them a bit. Many more engine options. De Dion rear
suspension. Actual seats that slide forward and backward to adjust for
different sized drivers.
But, they're still pretty basic, elemental things, that go like stink.
I'm sure it's anathema to mention them in
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:40:10 -0700, Keith Whaley wrote:
Once I think they offered a kit for a fairly reasonable price.
Don't know what they did...deliver this huge crate to your front lawn?
Most of the kits are the frame (or the rails and you weld them up) and
some suspension components and
... which one would it be more like?
Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable.
GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product.
Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price.
... or some other copmany ... and why?
Collin
KC8TKA
How bout:
Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end
Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative
Chrysler - never the leader, good mix of features but never outstanding
Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
... which one would it be more like?
Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not
Honda/Acura. Good value for the price, work like clockwork, but certainly
not a mercedes, and some of the feature sets you just have to shake your
head at...
-Mat
... which one would it be more like?
Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable.
GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre
I'd have to say they would be more like Infinity or Nissan.
Reason, decent products but certainly niche and don't get much
respect.
---
Bruce
Wednesday, October 8, 2003, 11:18:36 AM, you wrote:
CB ... which one would it be more like?
CB Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable.
CB GM --
Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun.
In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car...
m
Robert Gonzalez wrote:
How bout:
Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end
Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative
Chrysler - never the leader, good mix
: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:06:49 +0100
Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun.
In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car...
m
Robert Gonzalez wrote
to the market.
Jim A.
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:18:36 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
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Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:18:40 -0400
.. which
-
From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:18 AM
Subject: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
... which one would it be more like?
Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable.
GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product
were like an automobile company ...
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:06:49 +0100
Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun.
In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car...
m
Robert Gonzalez wrote:
How bout:
Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end
Chevy - inexpensive, gets you
Packard. Extinct.Fortunately, Pentax is competing in a much less
demanding market than that of the automobile.
By the way, GM quality ratings on the latest JD power reports exceeds
that of Jaguar, Mercedes, and a lot of other big name marques. To me,
Accura is reliable but plain vanilla, much like
Yea, I couldn't afford mine either. It was fun while it lasted.
At 04:39 PM 10/8/03 -0600, you wrote:
Yeah, I know the chicks really dig my SAAB, but I'm not sure if I can make a
Pentax is like SAAB connection. :-)
William (who sure the heck lucked out cuz I certainly don't have the money
for a
mmm.. Pentax to maybe Peugeot..not the first cars/cameras looked at by
consumers, though it rings a bell. Consumer access to brilliant easy
handling mechanics in a small package (Peugeot 206/ MZ,ZX-5n). Sleeky
flagship MZ-S, Coupe 406 (especially that one with the leather interior!)..
And having a
- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist
Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
By the way, GM quality ratings on the latest JD power reports exceeds
that of Jaguar, Mercedes, and a lot of other big name marques.
You mean they have finally learned how to build
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