Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
The young woman in the left background appears to be in period French costume. I'm guessing a dinner theater production of Les Miz. On 9/24/2014 2:17 PM, knarf wrote: Well, I don't know how Marco meant it but I'm seeing waiters or servers standing at the periphery of an event, at the beck and call of rich white folks. They're far enough away that they won't be conspicuous but close enough to immediately serve their masters. The body language is awkward, arms folded behind their back. Even at that it looks like the fellow on the left is tense, arms and hands twisted, like a coiled spring, as if he wants to scream out in anger, demanding respect. Meanwhile the rich folk are oblivious. They take no notice of the staff unless of course they need something. I would think working in such a place is very humiliating no matter what the pay. If there ever were a revolution I'd expect him to be at the forefront. Of course maybe I have it all wrong but that's what I feel when I look at the title and photo together. Cheers, frank On 24 September, 2014 12:29:30 PM EDT, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Marco, Please excuse my ignorance - but I am not getting this title. I suspect it might have some reference that I am missing. So, I am intrigued what it was. Igor On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
Marco, Please excuse my ignorance - but I am not getting this title. I suspect it might have some reference that I am missing. So, I am intrigued what it was. Igor On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
Well, I don't know how Marco meant it but I'm seeing waiters or servers standing at the periphery of an event, at the beck and call of rich white folks. They're far enough away that they won't be conspicuous but close enough to immediately serve their masters. The body language is awkward, arms folded behind their back. Even at that it looks like the fellow on the left is tense, arms and hands twisted, like a coiled spring, as if he wants to scream out in anger, demanding respect. Meanwhile the rich folk are oblivious. They take no notice of the staff unless of course they need something. I would think working in such a place is very humiliating no matter what the pay. If there ever were a revolution I'd expect him to be at the forefront. Of course maybe I have it all wrong but that's what I feel when I look at the title and photo together. Cheers, frank On 24 September, 2014 12:29:30 PM EDT, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Marco, Please excuse my ignorance - but I am not getting this title. I suspect it might have some reference that I am missing. So, I am intrigued what it was. Igor On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
Obviously you've never worked in a restaurant. The class structure within the establishment is considerably more rigid than that between the wait staff and the public. On 9/24/2014 2:17 PM, knarf wrote: Well, I don't know how Marco meant it but I'm seeing waiters or servers standing at the periphery of an event, at the beck and call of rich white folks. They're far enough away that they won't be conspicuous but close enough to immediately serve their masters. The body language is awkward, arms folded behind their back. Even at that it looks like the fellow on the left is tense, arms and hands twisted, like a coiled spring, as if he wants to scream out in anger, demanding respect. Meanwhile the rich folk are oblivious. They take no notice of the staff unless of course they need something. I would think working in such a place is very humiliating no matter what the pay. If there ever were a revolution I'd expect him to be at the forefront. Of course maybe I have it all wrong but that's what I feel when I look at the title and photo together. Cheers, frank On 24 September, 2014 12:29:30 PM EDT, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Marco, Please excuse my ignorance - but I am not getting this title. I suspect it might have some reference that I am missing. So, I am intrigued what it was. Igor On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying. -- Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
What frank said (and pretty darned evocatively, I might add). m On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:17 AM, knarf wrote: Well, I don't know how Marco meant it but I'm seeing waiters or servers standing at the periphery of an event, at the beck and call of rich white folks. They're far enough away that they won't be conspicuous but close enough to immediately serve their masters. The body language is awkward, arms folded behind their back. Even at that it looks like the fellow on the left is tense, arms and hands twisted, like a coiled spring, as if he wants to scream out in anger, demanding respect. Meanwhile the rich folk are oblivious. They take no notice of the staff unless of course they need something. I would think working in such a place is very humiliating no matter what the pay. If there ever were a revolution I'd expect him to be at the forefront. Of course maybe I have it all wrong but that's what I feel when I look at the title and photo together. Cheers, frank On 24 September, 2014 12:29:30 PM EDT, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote: Marco, Please excuse my ignorance - but I am not getting this title. I suspect it might have some reference that I am missing. So, I am intrigued what it was. Igor On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
I guessed that you may have implied that, but it seemed to be a bit too radical reading of it. So, I was not sure if there were more to it (e.g. a reference to a particular historic event/situation/movie/...). Hence the question. While I appreciate and enjoy the literary abilities of Frank, the photo doesn't look as dramatic or even tense to me. I don't see anything showing the richness. This could've been at a catered family wedding, company party, or even at a Sunday brunch buffet at a restaurant with outdoors seating. While the attendees are more likely to be in the middle class, I don't think that necessarily suggests some sort of disdain. I've seen some people for whom the pose with the hands behind the back like this is a normal relaxed pose that helps avoiding stooping/slouching. But again, Frank's/Marco's spin is also possible, but it would be more convincing with some additional context. Igor Marco Alpert Wed, 24 Sep 2014 12:21:56 -0700 What frank said (and pretty darned evocatively, I might add). m On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:17 AM, knarf wrote: Well, I don't know how Marco meant it but I'm seeing waiters or servers standing at the periphery of an event, at the beck and call of rich white folks. They're far enough away that they won't be conspicuous but close enough to immediately serve their masters. The body language is awkward, arms folded behind their back. Even at that it looks like the fellow on the left is tense, arms and hands twisted, like a coiled spring, as if he wants to scream out in anger, demanding respect. Meanwhile the rich folk are oblivious. They take no notice of the staff unless of course they need something. I would think working in such a place is very humiliating no matter what the pay. If there ever were a revolution I'd expect him to be at the forefront. Of course maybe I have it all wrong but that's what I feel when I look at the title and photo together. Cheers, frank On 24 September, 2014 12:29:30 PM EDT, Igor PDML-StR wrote: Marco, Please excuse my ignorance - but I am not getting this title. I suspect it might have some reference that I am missing. So, I am intrigued what it was. Igor On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
Nice photo with a very smooth tonal range, how did you convert this? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
Thanks, Attila. The conversion was done with a BW adjustment layer in Photoshop, some levels adjustment and a final application of wide-radius unsharp masking for local tonal enhancement. - Marco On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:15 AM, Attila Boros wrote: Nice photo with a very smooth tonal range, how did you convert this? On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
Brilliant! Great title. Cheers, frank On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Before the Revolution
Thanks, Frank! - Marco On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:28 AM, knarf wrote: Brilliant! Great title. Cheers, frank On 23 September, 2014 1:36:36 AM EDT, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote: http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso27.html Comments, as always, welcomed. -Marco --- http://www.alpert.com/marco “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Before the Revolution
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