Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you very much, Igor.


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> In contrast to #1, this image doesn't show much of muscle tension: the
> position is more comfortable. This pose is more comfortable (and you
> described previously why).
>
> Enjoying watching your work,
>
> Igor
>
>
> Bruce Walker Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:26:48 -0700 wrote:
>
> The next in my Body Language series.
>
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>
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PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Igor PDML-StR]

Bruce,

In contrast to #1, this image doesn't show much of muscle tension: the 
position is more comfortable. This pose is more comfortable (and you 
described previously why).


Enjoying watching your work,

Igor


Bruce Walker Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:26:48 -0700 wrote:

The next in my Body Language series.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IHsDA9atyyg0


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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Bill]

On 9/27/2016 8:54 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Standing, Richard.


One wonders if Richard has ever seen a naked lady or not.



On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Richard Klein  wrote:

Are the models standing or prone?

On Sep 26, 2016 9:26 PM, "Bruce Walker"  wrote:


The next in my Body Language series.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Bruce Walker]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Larry.
>>
>> #2 is here on ello.co:
>>
>> https://ello.co/brucewalker/post/hgtep983uxryoyyrnfewww
>>
>> I haven't posted it to my portfolio yet it seems.
>
>
> Thanks, that's also nice, but #3 is my favorite.
>
> I am amused that you start posting this series now, sometime around labor
> day I had the idea for some group nude photos myself, I just hadn't gotten
> around to it.

Heh, coincidence: I did this shoot on the Sunday of Labour Day weekend. :)

It was a blast and some of my best ever work has resulted from it. I'm
extremely happy with it.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Larry Colen]

Bruce Walker wrote:

Thanks, Larry.

#2 is here on ello.co:

https://ello.co/brucewalker/post/hgtep983uxryoyyrnfewww

I haven't posted it to my portfolio yet it seems.


Thanks, that's also nice, but #3 is my favorite.

I am amused that you start posting this series now, sometime around 
labor day I had the idea for some group nude photos myself, I just 
hadn't gotten around to it.


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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Bruce Walker]

Thanks, Larry.

#2 is here on ello.co:

https://ello.co/brucewalker/post/hgtep983uxryoyyrnfewww

I haven't posted it to my portfolio yet it seems.


On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 3:40 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> The next in my Body Language series.
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IHsDA9atyyg0
>
>
> Very nice.  I might have missed #2, but I like this a lot better than the
> first one.
>
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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Bruce Walker]

Standing, Richard.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 1:15 AM, Richard Klein  wrote:
> Are the models standing or prone?
>
> On Sep 26, 2016 9:26 PM, "Bruce Walker"  wrote:
>
>> The next in my Body Language series.
>>
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>>
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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Bruce Walker]

You mean trouble like the 30 day ban from Facebook that I'm now under?
 Well, yeah.

But it was worth it. :)

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> That's the kind of of picture that can get you into trouble Bruce. ;)
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> The next in my Body Language series.
>>
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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Larry Colen]

Bruce Walker wrote:

The next in my Body Language series.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IHsDA9atyyg0


Very nice.  I might have missed #2, but I like this a lot better than 
the first one.




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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Richard Klein]

Are the models standing or prone?

On Sep 26, 2016 9:26 PM, "Bruce Walker"  wrote:

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Re: PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

[Zos Xavius]

That's the kind of of picture that can get you into trouble Bruce. ;)

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PESO - jigsaw #3 (nsfw)

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The next in my Body Language series.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

You better believe I'm waiting for the right dancer(s) to work with,
Larry. I love dancers because they move so fluidly, gracefully and can
improvise poses to die for on the spot.

I worked with a wonderful dancer who, sadly, does not do nude work,
but I got great shots with her. Here's a gallery of her improvising
with a hunk of rope I gave her ...

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/G2VbXbemyuRg

(The shots where she's in a one-piece leotard.)

I have contact info for two fabulous art nude dancers, one local and
one in Montreal. When the French one comes to Toronto next I just
might get them together for a shoot. It would be a blast I know.


On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Excellent idea, well executed, but I think it is worth revisiting with what 
> you have learned.
> I wonder if maybe you could find models from the dance communities. Igor or I 
> might be able to introduce you to people in the blues, fusion, lindy or tango 
> communities.
> One of my first nude photo shoots was an attempt at dance photos. 
> Unfortunately, that was also one of my first photo shoots and my technical 
> skills were sorely lacking. It is a concept that I've been meaning to revisit.
>
>
> On September 9, 2016 11:07:52 AM PDT, Bruce Walker  
> wrote:
>>Zooming right to the point, I agree with you, Igor, that the more
>>relaxed the posing the better the results. And harmony is certainly
>>what I hope to get if possible. I thought that my two models did quite
>>well following my directions, but no doubt a number of factors would
>>have resulted in falling short of perfection.
>>
>>Dorrie on the right is 5 inches shorter than Camille, and Camille's
>>trunk is longer than Dorrie's. Neither of them dances. I put Dorrie on
>>a step stool then iteratively directed them as they tried to fit their
>>curved backs together. It likely took over a minute just to get this
>>one pose.
>>
>>Oh, and Dorrie and Camille met for the first time at this shoot, 45
>>minutes before this shot. And this was the first time I had ever
>>worked with two nude models.
>>
>>If I had a couple of trained dancers who also worked together, I bet I
>>could get even a better overall look.
>>
>>But as they say, the best nude models are the ones you have with you.
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Thanks, as always for your well considered thoughts, Igor. Appreciated!
>>
>>
>>On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR 
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Cuteing edge photography? ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce,
>>> Nice idea and photo.
>>>
>>> But there is something that bothered me when I looked at the photo in
>>the
>>> morning, and it still does, when I am looking at it again.
>>>
>>> You might remember that I've been photographing dancers. And having
>>been
>>> dancing myself a several different "vernacular" dances, I appreciate
>>the
>>> ergonomics of the dance. And I am convinced that ergonomic dancing
>>yields
>>> the true beauty of the dance, both social and performance versions.
>>> Over the years, I've had extensive discussions on this and related
>>topics
>>> (including photographs of dancers)  with several respectful dance
>>> instructors from difference dances.
>>>
>>> While sharing my thoughts dancers and photographers in my workshops
>>on how
>>> to make better photographs of dancers (from both sides), I've
>>analyzed
>>> together with the workshop participants the visible level of
>>> ergonomics/comfort in different photos. And a couple of relevant
>>aspects of
>>> that are: (1) It is usually easy to see if the photo was taken in
>>motion
>>> (dynamic) or while hitting the pose statically.
>>> And (2) in both dynamic and even in static photos, one can usually
>>see how
>>> ergonomic that pose was. This is especially apparent in couple's
>>dances.
>>>
>>>
>>> All this long prelude is to describe where my comment is stemming
>>from.
>>> (As it is a rather different perspective than that of your
>>photography.)
>>> We've already discussed the issue of pose ergonomics back in June of
>>2014.
>>> So, forgive me for repeating certain aspects of the same ideas
>>introduction
>>> now, 2+ years later.
>>>
>>> Now, to the point:
>>> What keeps swirling in my mind is that in this photo the pose is
>>rather
>>> uncomfortable for the model on the right.
>>> I might be wrong, but I don't think you were going after tension in
>>this
>>> case, as I think it was the harmony. I think if the pose were more
>>> comfortable, the photo would radiate more harmony.
>>> But maybe you had a different intent. Hence my curiousity: Did you?
>>>
>>> Igor
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ann sanfedele Fri, 09 Sep 2016 08:20:31 -0700 wrote:
>>>
>>> cutting edge photography :-)
>>>
>>> nice
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Next in my Body Language series.

 http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY

 nsfw: nipples in profile.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

Thank you, Paul!

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> An intriguing concept, well executed.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>>
>> On 9/9/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>>> Next in my Body Language series.
>>>
>>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY
>>
>> Tonality is subtle and pleasing, shapes also.
>>
>> Really nice work as usual Bruce
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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 6:37 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> On 9/9/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
>>Next in my Body Language series.
>>
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> Tonality is subtle and pleasing, shapes also.
>
> Really nice work as usual Bruce

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

I did do some lying down shots, Igor, and they are coming up in my
retouching list.

But to address your idea that lying horizontally might make it easier
to create the curves-match, well yes, but I'd not get the same results
at all because: gravity.

At the risk of sounding crude -- wait, you are married, are you not?
Have you ever spent any time observing the effects of gravity on the
human female breast? The shape of breasts varies wildly depending on
their owner's orientation; most notably: standing, lying on side,
lying on back, on hands and knees.

So the only way to get that perfect teardrop shape (two intersecting
catenary curves) with both Dorrie and Camille, they had to be
standing.

And for the lying shots, I climbed up a 12 foot ladder. I wasn't
directly overhead, so there's a slight angle to the shots, but it was
safer for them in case I dropped that 7 pound camera!

I'd love to have a proper lift or a loft. Maybe when I can afford a
better studio. :)

Thanks once again, Igor.


On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
> After having written, a constructive idea came to my mind:
> I am thinking if the same shot as you did would work better if the models
> where lying (horizontally), while the camera would be right above them. That
> would allow an easier back-curve "matching", while avoiding unnecessary
> strain.
>
> But then, it might be harder to accomplish, unless you have some type of
> gantry or a boom lift in the studio (or a 2-level loft with a balcony).
>
> ... but the models you have are better than that equipment. :-)
>
> Igor
>
>
>
>  Bruce Walker Fri, 09 Sep 2016 11:09:18 -0700 wrote:
>
> Zooming right to the point, I agree with you, Igor, that the more
> relaxed the posing the better the results. And harmony is certainly
> what I hope to get if possible. I thought that my two models did quite
> well following my directions, but no doubt a number of factors would
> have resulted in falling short of perfection.
>
>
> Dorrie on the right is 5 inches shorter than Camille, and Camille's
> trunk is longer than Dorrie's. Neither of them dances. I put Dorrie on
> a step stool then iteratively directed them as they tried to fit their
> curved backs together. It likely took over a minute just to get this
> one pose.
>
> Oh, and Dorrie and Camille met for the first time at this shoot, 45
> minutes before this shot. And this was the first time I had ever
> worked with two nude models.
>
> If I had a couple of trained dancers who also worked together, I bet I
> could get even a better overall look.
>
> But as they say, the best nude models are the ones you have with you.
>
> :)
>
> Thanks, as always for your well considered thoughts, Igor. Appreciated!
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Cuteing edge photography? ;-)
>>
>>
>> Bruce,
>> Nice idea and photo.
>>
>> But there is something that bothered me when I looked at the photo in the
>> morning, and it still does, when I am looking at it again.
>>
>> You might remember that I've been photographing dancers. And having been
>> dancing myself a several different "vernacular" dances, I appreciate the
>> ergonomics of the dance. And I am convinced that ergonomic dancing yields
>> the true beauty of the dance, both social and performance versions.
>> Over the years, I've had extensive discussions on this and related topics
>> (including photographs of dancers)  with several respectful dance
>> instructors from difference dances.
>>
>> While sharing my thoughts dancers and photographers in my workshops on how
>> to make better photographs of dancers (from both sides), I've analyzed
>> together with the workshop participants the visible level of
>> ergonomics/comfort in different photos. And a couple of relevant aspects of
>> that are: (1) It is usually easy to see if the photo was taken in motion
>> (dynamic) or while hitting the pose statically.
>> And (2) in both dynamic and even in static photos, one can usually see how
>> ergonomic that pose was. This is especially apparent in couple's dances.
>>
>>
>> All this long prelude is to describe where my comment is stemming from.
>> (As it is a rather different perspective than that of your photography.)
>> We've already discussed the issue of pose ergonomics back in June of 2014.
>> So, forgive me for repeating certain aspects of the same ideas introduction
>> now, 2+ years later.
>>
>> Now, to the point:
>> What keeps swirling in my mind is that in this photo the pose is rather
>> uncomfortable for the model on the right.
>> I might be wrong, but I don't think you were going after tension in this
>> case, as I think it was the harmony. I think if the pose were more
>> comfortable, the photo would radiate more harmony.
>> But maybe you had a different intent. Hence my curiousity: Did you?
>>
>> Igor
>>
>>
>> ann sanfedele Fri, 09 Sep 2016 08:20:31 -0700 wrote:
>>
>> cutting edge photography :-)
>>
>> nice
>>
>> 

Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Larry Colen]

Excellent idea, well executed, but I think it is worth revisiting with what you 
have learned.  
I wonder if maybe you could find models from the dance communities. Igor or I 
might be able to introduce you to people in the blues, fusion, lindy or tango 
communities.  
One of my first nude photo shoots was an attempt at dance photos. 
Unfortunately, that was also one of my first photo shoots and my technical 
skills were sorely lacking. It is a concept that I've been meaning to revisit.


On September 9, 2016 11:07:52 AM PDT, Bruce Walker  
wrote:
>Zooming right to the point, I agree with you, Igor, that the more
>relaxed the posing the better the results. And harmony is certainly
>what I hope to get if possible. I thought that my two models did quite
>well following my directions, but no doubt a number of factors would
>have resulted in falling short of perfection.
>
>Dorrie on the right is 5 inches shorter than Camille, and Camille's
>trunk is longer than Dorrie's. Neither of them dances. I put Dorrie on
>a step stool then iteratively directed them as they tried to fit their
>curved backs together. It likely took over a minute just to get this
>one pose.
>
>Oh, and Dorrie and Camille met for the first time at this shoot, 45
>minutes before this shot. And this was the first time I had ever
>worked with two nude models.
>
>If I had a couple of trained dancers who also worked together, I bet I
>could get even a better overall look.
>
>But as they say, the best nude models are the ones you have with you.
>
>:)
>
>Thanks, as always for your well considered thoughts, Igor. Appreciated!
>
>
>On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR 
>wrote:
>>
>>
>> Cuteing edge photography? ;-)
>>
>>
>> Bruce,
>> Nice idea and photo.
>>
>> But there is something that bothered me when I looked at the photo in
>the
>> morning, and it still does, when I am looking at it again.
>>
>> You might remember that I've been photographing dancers. And having
>been
>> dancing myself a several different "vernacular" dances, I appreciate
>the
>> ergonomics of the dance. And I am convinced that ergonomic dancing
>yields
>> the true beauty of the dance, both social and performance versions.
>> Over the years, I've had extensive discussions on this and related
>topics
>> (including photographs of dancers)  with several respectful dance
>> instructors from difference dances.
>>
>> While sharing my thoughts dancers and photographers in my workshops
>on how
>> to make better photographs of dancers (from both sides), I've
>analyzed
>> together with the workshop participants the visible level of
>> ergonomics/comfort in different photos. And a couple of relevant
>aspects of
>> that are: (1) It is usually easy to see if the photo was taken in
>motion
>> (dynamic) or while hitting the pose statically.
>> And (2) in both dynamic and even in static photos, one can usually
>see how
>> ergonomic that pose was. This is especially apparent in couple's
>dances.
>>
>>
>> All this long prelude is to describe where my comment is stemming
>from.
>> (As it is a rather different perspective than that of your
>photography.)
>> We've already discussed the issue of pose ergonomics back in June of
>2014.
>> So, forgive me for repeating certain aspects of the same ideas
>introduction
>> now, 2+ years later.
>>
>> Now, to the point:
>> What keeps swirling in my mind is that in this photo the pose is
>rather
>> uncomfortable for the model on the right.
>> I might be wrong, but I don't think you were going after tension in
>this
>> case, as I think it was the harmony. I think if the pose were more
>> comfortable, the photo would radiate more harmony.
>> But maybe you had a different intent. Hence my curiousity: Did you?
>>
>> Igor
>>
>>
>>
>> ann sanfedele Fri, 09 Sep 2016 08:20:31 -0700 wrote:
>>
>> cutting edge photography :-)
>>
>> nice
>>
>> ann
>>
>>
>> On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Next in my Body Language series.
>>>
>>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY
>>>
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Re: PESO - jigsaw

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At least I made you feel something, Jack. :)

You may be much more perceptive of a person's comfort levels than I
am, Jack; I just don't see it -- the strain, that is. They _are_
positioned very unnaturally in order to get the geometry I desired.
But they claimed they were pretty comfortable and were able to hold
the pose for a time while I instructed them to make small adjustments
like the angle of raised arms to get shoulder blades into position.

It may be that with other models, perhaps more flexible -- yoga
instructors for instance -- that I can get even more "natural",
composed looks. I will try that when I next get a chance. (I only know
one nude art model who is great at yoga.)

I'm always serious about these shoots. It takes too much effort to
coordinate these things not to go all out.

Thanks for looking and commenting, Jack!


On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Like the consept, Bruce, but from the instant I saw this I was in sort of a 
> stress mode
> attempting to make the models less strained and contorted. The idea is good, 
> but worthy of
> a serious effort.
>
> J
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>
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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
>> It likely took over a minute just to get this
>> one pose.
>>
>
> A whole minuite  That is pretty efficient work, but anyone else's
> standards!
>
> This image has wonderful curving lines;  It is effective even as an
> abstract.
>
> The tones are marvelous, and the overall composition quite effective.
>
> This series of images with nude models is really superb.

Thank you very much, Dan. Really appreciate it.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Paul Stenquist]

An intriguing concept, well executed. 

Paul via phone

> On Sep 10, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 9/9/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Next in my Body Language series.
>> 
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY
> 
> Tonality is subtle and pleasing, shapes also.
> 
> Really nice work as usual Bruce
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On 9/9/16, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Next in my Body Language series.
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Tonality is subtle and pleasing, shapes also.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[John]

On 9/9/2016 3:31 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



I see.

And just as a followup thought (which is probably obvious): I didn't
mean that dance experience of a model is needed (even though it could be
a big added bonus). And in reverse, I am not sure that all good dancers
would make good models.

After having written, a constructive idea came to my mind:
I am thinking if the same shot as you did would work better if the
models where lying (horizontally), while the camera would be right above
them. That would allow an easier back-curve "matching", while avoiding
unnecessary strain.

But then, it might be harder to accomplish, unless you have some type of
gantry or a boom lift in the studio (or a 2-level loft with a balcony).

... but the models you have are better than that equipment. :-)

Igor




You could probably do it with one of those "Little Giant" ladders that
folds every which way.



 Bruce Walker Fri, 09 Sep 2016 11:09:18 -0700 wrote:

Zooming right to the point, I agree with you, Igor, that the more
relaxed the posing the better the results. And harmony is certainly
what I hope to get if possible. I thought that my two models did quite
well following my directions, but no doubt a number of factors would
have resulted in falling short of perfection.


Dorrie on the right is 5 inches shorter than Camille, and Camille's
trunk is longer than Dorrie's. Neither of them dances. I put Dorrie on
a step stool then iteratively directed them as they tried to fit their
curved backs together. It likely took over a minute just to get this
one pose.

Oh, and Dorrie and Camille met for the first time at this shoot, 45
minutes before this shot. And this was the first time I had ever
worked with two nude models.

If I had a couple of trained dancers who also worked together, I bet I
could get even a better overall look.

But as they say, the best nude models are the ones you have with you.

:)

Thanks, as always for your well considered thoughts, Igor. Appreciated!


On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:




Cuteing edge photography? ;-)


Bruce,
Nice idea and photo.

But there is something that bothered me when I looked at the photo in
the morning, and it still does, when I am looking at it again.

You might remember that I've been photographing dancers. And having
been dancing myself a several different "vernacular" dances, I
appreciate the ergonomics of the dance. And I am convinced that
ergonomic dancing yields the true beauty of the dance, both social and
performance versions.
Over the years, I've had extensive discussions on this and related
topics (including photographs of dancers)  with several respectful
dance instructors from difference dances.

While sharing my thoughts dancers and photographers in my workshops on
how to make better photographs of dancers (from both sides), I've
analyzed together with the workshop participants the visible level of
ergonomics/comfort in different photos. And a couple of relevant
aspects of that are: (1) It is usually easy to see if the photo was
taken in motion (dynamic) or while hitting the pose statically.
And (2) in both dynamic and even in static photos, one can usually see
how ergonomic that pose was. This is especially apparent in couple's
dances.


All this long prelude is to describe where my comment is stemming from.
(As it is a rather different perspective than that of your photography.)
We've already discussed the issue of pose ergonomics back in June of
2014. So, forgive me for repeating certain aspects of the same ideas
introduction now, 2+ years later.

Now, to the point:
What keeps swirling in my mind is that in this photo the pose is
rather uncomfortable for the model on the right.
I might be wrong, but I don't think you were going after tension in
this case, as I think it was the harmony. I think if the pose were
more comfortable, the photo would radiate more harmony.
But maybe you had a different intent. Hence my curiousity: Did you?

Igor


ann sanfedele Fri, 09 Sep 2016 08:20:31 -0700 wrote:

cutting edge photography :-)

nice

ann


On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Next in my Body Language series.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY

nsfw: nipples in profile.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Igor PDML-StR]

I see.

And just as a followup thought (which is probably obvious): I didn't mean 
that dance experience of a model is needed (even though it could be a big 
added bonus). And in reverse, I am not sure that all good dancers would 
make good models.


After having written, a constructive idea came to my mind:
I am thinking if the same shot as you did would work better if 
the models where lying (horizontally), while the camera would be right 
above them. That would allow an easier back-curve "matching", while avoiding 
unnecessary strain.


But then, it might be harder to accomplish, unless you have some type of 
gantry or a boom lift in the studio (or a 2-level loft with a balcony).


... but the models you have are better than that equipment. :-)

Igor



 Bruce Walker Fri, 09 Sep 2016 11:09:18 -0700 wrote:

Zooming right to the point, I agree with you, Igor, that the more
relaxed the posing the better the results. And harmony is certainly
what I hope to get if possible. I thought that my two models did quite
well following my directions, but no doubt a number of factors would
have resulted in falling short of perfection.


Dorrie on the right is 5 inches shorter than Camille, and Camille's
trunk is longer than Dorrie's. Neither of them dances. I put Dorrie on
a step stool then iteratively directed them as they tried to fit their
curved backs together. It likely took over a minute just to get this
one pose.

Oh, and Dorrie and Camille met for the first time at this shoot, 45
minutes before this shot. And this was the first time I had ever
worked with two nude models.

If I had a couple of trained dancers who also worked together, I bet I
could get even a better overall look.

But as they say, the best nude models are the ones you have with you.

:)

Thanks, as always for your well considered thoughts, Igor. Appreciated!


On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:




Cuteing edge photography? ;-)


Bruce,
Nice idea and photo.

But there is something that bothered me when I looked at the photo in the 
morning, and it still does, when I am looking at it again.


You might remember that I've been photographing dancers. And having been 
dancing myself a several different "vernacular" dances, I appreciate the 
ergonomics of the dance. And I am convinced that ergonomic dancing yields the 
true beauty of the dance, both social and performance versions.
Over the years, I've had extensive discussions on this and related topics 
(including photographs of dancers)  with several respectful dance instructors 
from difference dances.


While sharing my thoughts dancers and photographers in my workshops on how to 
make better photographs of dancers (from both sides), I've analyzed together 
with the workshop participants the visible level of ergonomics/comfort in 
different photos. And a couple of relevant aspects of that are: (1) It is 
usually easy to see if the photo was taken in motion (dynamic) or while 
hitting the pose statically.
And (2) in both dynamic and even in static photos, one can usually see how 
ergonomic that pose was. This is especially apparent in couple's dances.



All this long prelude is to describe where my comment is stemming from.
(As it is a rather different perspective than that of your photography.)
We've already discussed the issue of pose ergonomics back in June of 2014. 
So, forgive me for repeating certain aspects of the same ideas introduction 
now, 2+ years later.


Now, to the point:
What keeps swirling in my mind is that in this photo the pose is rather 
uncomfortable for the model on the right.
I might be wrong, but I don't think you were going after tension in this 
case, as I think it was the harmony. I think if the pose were more 
comfortable, the photo would radiate more harmony.

But maybe you had a different intent. Hence my curiousity: Did you?

Igor


ann sanfedele Fri, 09 Sep 2016 08:20:31 -0700 wrote:

cutting edge photography :-)

nice

ann


On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Next in my Body Language series.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Jack Davis]

Like the consept, Bruce, but from the instant I saw this I was in sort of a 
stress mode 
attempting to make the models less strained and contorted. The idea is good, 
but worthy of
a serious effort.

J 

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Subject: PESO - jigsaw

Next in my Body Language series.

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Daniel J. Matyola]

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

> It likely took over a minute just to get this
> one pose.
>

A whole minuite  That is pretty efficient work, but anyone else's
standards!

This image has wonderful curving lines;  It is effective even as an
abstract.

The tones are marvelous, and the overall composition quite effective.

This series of images with nude models is really superb.

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[Bruce Walker]

Thank you very much, Marco.

I have long admired Robert Mapplethorpe's nude studies and I have
strived to get the tones that he achieved in his female nude studies.
With this one, I think I'm just about there. :)


On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
> I’ll resist the impulse to pile on the pun train (to mangle a metaphor), and 
> point out that your B tonalities (here and elsewhere) are lovely in the 
> extreme.
>
> m
>
>> On Sep 9, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>>
>> Well, I saw that coming. :)  Thanks, Ann!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> cutting edge photography :-)
>>>
>>> nice
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Next in my Body Language series.

 http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY

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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

Zooming right to the point, I agree with you, Igor, that the more
relaxed the posing the better the results. And harmony is certainly
what I hope to get if possible. I thought that my two models did quite
well following my directions, but no doubt a number of factors would
have resulted in falling short of perfection.

Dorrie on the right is 5 inches shorter than Camille, and Camille's
trunk is longer than Dorrie's. Neither of them dances. I put Dorrie on
a step stool then iteratively directed them as they tried to fit their
curved backs together. It likely took over a minute just to get this
one pose.

Oh, and Dorrie and Camille met for the first time at this shoot, 45
minutes before this shot. And this was the first time I had ever
worked with two nude models.

If I had a couple of trained dancers who also worked together, I bet I
could get even a better overall look.

But as they say, the best nude models are the ones you have with you.

:)

Thanks, as always for your well considered thoughts, Igor. Appreciated!


On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>
> Cuteing edge photography? ;-)
>
>
> Bruce,
> Nice idea and photo.
>
> But there is something that bothered me when I looked at the photo in the
> morning, and it still does, when I am looking at it again.
>
> You might remember that I've been photographing dancers. And having been
> dancing myself a several different "vernacular" dances, I appreciate the
> ergonomics of the dance. And I am convinced that ergonomic dancing yields
> the true beauty of the dance, both social and performance versions.
> Over the years, I've had extensive discussions on this and related topics
> (including photographs of dancers)  with several respectful dance
> instructors from difference dances.
>
> While sharing my thoughts dancers and photographers in my workshops on how
> to make better photographs of dancers (from both sides), I've analyzed
> together with the workshop participants the visible level of
> ergonomics/comfort in different photos. And a couple of relevant aspects of
> that are: (1) It is usually easy to see if the photo was taken in motion
> (dynamic) or while hitting the pose statically.
> And (2) in both dynamic and even in static photos, one can usually see how
> ergonomic that pose was. This is especially apparent in couple's dances.
>
>
> All this long prelude is to describe where my comment is stemming from.
> (As it is a rather different perspective than that of your photography.)
> We've already discussed the issue of pose ergonomics back in June of 2014.
> So, forgive me for repeating certain aspects of the same ideas introduction
> now, 2+ years later.
>
> Now, to the point:
> What keeps swirling in my mind is that in this photo the pose is rather
> uncomfortable for the model on the right.
> I might be wrong, but I don't think you were going after tension in this
> case, as I think it was the harmony. I think if the pose were more
> comfortable, the photo would radiate more harmony.
> But maybe you had a different intent. Hence my curiousity: Did you?
>
> Igor
>
>
>
> ann sanfedele Fri, 09 Sep 2016 08:20:31 -0700 wrote:
>
> cutting edge photography :-)
>
> nice
>
> ann
>
>
> On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Next in my Body Language series.
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY
>>
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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Igor PDML-StR]

Cuteing edge photography? ;-)


Bruce,
Nice idea and photo.

But there is something that bothered me when I looked at the 
photo in the morning, and it still does, when I am looking at it again.


You might remember that I've been photographing dancers. And having been 
dancing myself a several different "vernacular" dances, I appreciate the 
ergonomics of the dance. And I am convinced that ergonomic dancing yields 
the true beauty of the dance, both social and performance versions.
Over the years, I've had extensive discussions on this and related topics 
(including photographs of dancers)  with several respectful dance 
instructors from difference dances.


While sharing my thoughts dancers and photographers in my workshops on how 
to make better photographs of dancers (from both sides), I've analyzed 
together with the workshop participants the visible level of 
ergonomics/comfort in different photos. And a couple of relevant aspects 
of that are: (1) It is usually easy to see if the photo was taken in 
motion (dynamic) or while hitting the pose statically.
And (2) in both dynamic and even in static photos, one can usually see how 
ergonomic that pose was. This is especially apparent in couple's dances.



All this long prelude is to describe where my comment is stemming from.
(As it is a rather different perspective than that of your photography.)
We've already discussed the issue of pose ergonomics back in June of 
2014. So, forgive me for repeating certain aspects of the same ideas 
introduction now, 2+ years later.


Now, to the point:
What keeps swirling in my mind is that in this photo the pose is 
rather uncomfortable for the model on the right.
I might be wrong, but I don't think you were going after tension in 
this case, as I think it was the harmony. I think if the pose were more 
comfortable, the photo would radiate more harmony.

But maybe you had a different intent. Hence my curiousity: Did you?

Igor


ann sanfedele Fri, 09 Sep 2016 08:20:31 -0700 wrote:

cutting edge photography :-)

nice

ann


On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Next in my Body Language series.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY

nsfw: nipples in profile.

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8 macro, f:13, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO

Comments always welcome!



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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Marco Alpert]

I’ll resist the impulse to pile on the pun train (to mangle a metaphor), and 
point out that your B tonalities (here and elsewhere) are lovely in the 
extreme.

m

> On Sep 9, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Well, I saw that coming. :)  Thanks, Ann!
> 
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> cutting edge photography :-)
>> 
>> nice
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>> Next in my Body Language series.
>>> 
>>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY
>>> 
>>> nsfw: nipples in profile.
>>> 
>>> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8 macro, f:13, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO
>>> 
>>> Comments always welcome!
>>> 


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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

Well, I saw that coming. :)  Thanks, Ann!

On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> cutting edge photography :-)
>
> nice
>
> ann
>
>
> On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Next in my Body Language series.
>>
>> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY
>>
>> nsfw: nipples in profile.
>>
>> 645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8 macro, f:13, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO
>>
>> Comments always welcome!
>>
>
>
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Re: PESO - jigsaw

[ann sanfedele]

cutting edge photography :-)

nice

ann


On 9/9/2016 9:28 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Next in my Body Language series.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY

nsfw: nipples in profile.

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8 macro, f:13, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO

Comments always welcome!




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PESO - jigsaw

[Bruce Walker]

Next in my Body Language series.

http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/I70xb_T3x.lY

nsfw: nipples in profile.

645z, dfa645 90mm/2.8 macro, f:13, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO

Comments always welcome!

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