Re: Pentax full-frame sensor direction (WAS: Re: New Pentax SMC-DA 3.5-4.5/15-26)

2003-11-18 Thread Steve Desjardins
Or simply a 12 MP FF 35 mm sensor in a back that will fit on a 645 nII.  That could be 
below $6K and would given the MF types a digital option.  There are few enough FF 35 
mm- style cameras around to make this a viable option, especially since the Canon 1DS 
is competing with MF.


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On 16 Nov 2003 at 21:03, Pål Jensen wrote:

 Not very likely as Pentax according to the latest rumors already have a fully
 working full frame DSLR based on the 645 system. They are waiting for the price
 to come down. Apparently this price point is $6000; not too bad for a full frame
 6 X 4,5 sensor in a rather compact camera!

That's got to be some fantasy story. If Pentax could deliver a FF 645 digital 
camera for 6k or under at this moment they'd have the market sown up as there 
isn't even any add on backs approaching this price in the market at this 
moment. Next there will be stories of a 12Mp FF 35mm body for under 1k :-(

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Pentax full-frame sensor direction (WAS: Re: New Pentax SMC-DA 3.5-4.5/15-26)

2003-11-17 Thread Steve Desjardins
I'll agree to this.  The one niche really open to Pentax is the 645 style cameras, 
regardless of sensor size.

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Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I suspect that Pentax just can't even begin to compete with Canon
anymore.  Because of the sheer amount of RD money Canon had, it
probably already has prototypes for a number of cameras.  So, for
example, if Pentax did come out with a full frame DSLR, I'm sure Canon
would one-up it within a month or even produce an equivalent with a few
months.   


Not very likely as Pentax according to the latest rumors already have a fully working 
full frame DSLR based on the 645 system. They are waiting for the price to come down. 
Apparently this price point is $6000; not too bad for a full frame 6 X 4,5 sensor in a 
rather compact camera! I doubt Canon will venture into what was once known as medium 
format anytime soon. With various sizes of sensors the 35mm standard doesn't really 
have much meaning anymore. Smaller sensor will always be cheaper than larger ones. The 
APS sized sensor are apparently good enough for professional quality anyway and there 
are lenses than only fit this format from both Nikon, Pentax and Canon. Besides, the 
smaller sensor gives you telephotos and super telephotos for a fraction of the price 
of 35mm image circle lenses. In other words we are already seeing a obliteration of 
the 35mm standard; now it is just different sensor size DSLR's that happens to use 
different lenses. Format is something that really belongs to film. I think Pentax is 
in a good position having both APS, 35mm, 645 and 67 all suitable platform for digital 
solutions. Pentax have already announced that they have digital solution ready for the 
645 system. In addition, they have said that they plan a more compact 67. I refuse to 
believe that Pentax are designing film cameras these days without a digital future in 
mind. I belive that Pentax in digital, as they have with film, will venture in much 
higher areas of image qualiy than both Nikon and Canon. Also, that Pentax full frame 
solutions, at least initially, will be based on the MF platforms. That will give them 
their own niche and an edge to Nikon and Canon in the image quality area. 
As for RD: I don't think Canon is different from anyone else in that they want they 
RD cost back from selling the product. That is the real limit. Not lack of funds. 

Pål







Re: Pentax full-frame sensor direction (WAS: Re: New Pentax SMC-DA 3.5-4.5/15-26)

2003-11-17 Thread Rob Studdert
On 16 Nov 2003 at 21:03, Pål Jensen wrote:

 Not very likely as Pentax according to the latest rumors already have a fully
 working full frame DSLR based on the 645 system. They are waiting for the price
 to come down. Apparently this price point is $6000; not too bad for a full frame
 6 X 4,5 sensor in a rather compact camera!

That's got to be some fantasy story. If Pentax could deliver a FF 645 digital 
camera for 6k or under at this moment they'd have the market sown up as there 
isn't even any add on backs approaching this price in the market at this 
moment. Next there will be stories of a 12Mp FF 35mm body for under 1k :-(

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998