Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
It's old enough that it does NOT have a catalytic convertor for someone to steal isn't it? On 3/5/2024 2:37 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Thank you, Larry. Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting around 1965 or 1966, but I'd have to look them up to be certain. Doesn't matter really ... the Giulia Sprint and Guiletta Spider are lovely cars and a delight to drive. My Fulvia's muffler lost a dime sized hole out of the end of the main muffler last week, and the muffler is cracking all the way around now. But that small additional opening netted a rather pretty exhaust sound. So I've ordered an Abarth system to replace the stock exhaust and give the car a little more aural character ... the stock Fulvia Coupé exhaust is rather quiet, but that little V4 makes such a pretty sound it deserves a more sporting system to highlight it. :) onwards! G On Mar 4, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the Right Coast tomorrow. Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer Perkeo II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or TTL viewing system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale. A true "zone focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale has no distance markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate distances, and close up. We may not always agree on everything, but I do admire and respect your cyclopedic (Polyphemian?) knowledge on so many topics. I did think of you yesterday when I passed a light blue Giullia(?) sprint of similar vintage to yours. As I was driivng unfortunately as I was driving, getting a photo wasn't feasible. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
On 3/4/2024 3:53 AM, Bob W PDML wrote: On 3 Mar 2024, at 17:45, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill: I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable with. Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film from top to bottom and a very odd shape of the camera. […] Actually it would be the same shape but in a different orientation. I’m not a mechanical engineer so I might be completely wrong, but if you put the film advance on the new top of the camera it would perhaps need only one more gear to deal with the change of orientation. The rewind crank doesn’t need to be on the new top. Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll. A lot of people now like to see the sprocket holes in the picture, postmodernly drawing attention to it being film, so making the frame mask switchable might be an interesting option. In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. I wonder if he means click-stops on the focus ring, or perhaps on a dial, with symbols for the type of shot, eg headshot, head and shoulders, cowboy, full-length, group/wide shot, landscape etc. That could also be used to determine the exposure settings in conjunction with the orientation of the camera, favouring a larger aperture for closer portraits to increase background blur, and a smaller aperture for wider shots using the hyperfocal distance to give the greatest depth of field. The problem with square format in this case is that it's a bastard sized negative that won't be scan-able or printable in conventional labs. For the format to work it needs to be a 35mm format that has been in use. Even half frame is going to be a problem because of how few labs are equipped for it, but at least half frame masks can be had. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
> On Mar 4, 2024, at 11:37 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Thank you, Larry. > > Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 > chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting around 1965 or > 1966, but I'd have to look them up to be certain. Doesn't matter really ... > the Giulia Sprint and Guiletta Spider are lovely cars and a delight to drive. I did some poking around, and what I saw looked like it might have been a 1954 sprint coupe, rounded body lines and very small. > > My Fulvia's muffler lost a dime sized hole out of the end of the main muffler > last week, and the muffler is cracking all the way around now. But that small > additional opening netted a rather pretty exhaust sound. So I've ordered an > Abarth system to replace the stock exhaust and give the car a little more > aural character ... the stock Fulvia Coupé exhaust is rather quiet, but that > little V4 makes such a pretty sound it deserves a more sporting system to > highlight it. :) Upon reflection, we're coming up on 40 years since the muffler unwelded itself on my sprite, the day before I was heading to a camping event at Grant Park on Mount Hamilton. (when I moved the exhaust system from the '68 body to the '64 it was cut and re-welded). Driving up Mt. Hamilton, on a beautiful afternoon, top down, with straight pipes will long be one of those cherished memories of everything coming together for a perfect moment in time. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
> On 5 Mar 2024, at 01:48, John Sessoms wrote: > I'd play with film more if I had a reliable place to get it processed. I tried several UK labs a couple of years ago when I restarted with film. Most of them were disappointing but I have found two that provide a very good service. One of them is Harman Labs, who also have a lab in the US. You’ll have to Google it as the Pdml rejects it when I include the link. They own and make Ilford film and processing chemicals. The labs use Refrema dip’n’dunk processing with their own Ilford chemicals, and it all seems very well controlled and consistent. My favourite film is Ilford Delta 100 and 400, so it’s a perfect match. Over here they turn the stuff round pretty quickly. It takes about a week from me posting the freepost envelope to getting the scans, then another day or two to receiving the negs. There’s obviously some dependency on the postal service. They always include another mailer when they return the negs. One of the other labs I use gives you the option of returning the negs in archival sleeves; Harman doesn’t offer this so I just resolve and file them when I get them back. Shoot a few rolls and send them in, see what you think. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
> On 5 Mar 2024, at 07:38, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > > […] > > My Fulvia's muffler > […] If that’s not the start of a Frankie Howerd joke then I’m a Vestal Virgin. https://youtu.be/SKphHvvvNSs?si=CZcXsrSOaB9lQmco -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
Cheaper to peg a playing card to the fender ;-) Cot > On 5 Mar 2024, at 07:37, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > So I've ordered an Abarth system to replace the stock exhaust and give the > car a little more aural character ... the stock Fulvia Coupé exhaust is > rather quiet, but that little V4 makes such a pretty sound it deserves a more > sporting system to highlight it. :) -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
Thank you, Larry. Hmm. My Lancia is a 1967 model ... I seem to recall the Alfa Romeo type 105 chassis replaced the Giulia Sprint and its siblings, starting around 1965 or 1966, but I'd have to look them up to be certain. Doesn't matter really ... the Giulia Sprint and Guiletta Spider are lovely cars and a delight to drive. My Fulvia's muffler lost a dime sized hole out of the end of the main muffler last week, and the muffler is cracking all the way around now. But that small additional opening netted a rather pretty exhaust sound. So I've ordered an Abarth system to replace the stock exhaust and give the car a little more aural character ... the stock Fulvia Coupé exhaust is rather quiet, but that little V4 makes such a pretty sound it deserves a more sporting system to highlight it. :) onwards! G > On Mar 4, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > >> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >> >> Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It >> is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got >> it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the >> Right Coast tomorrow. >> >> Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer >> Perkeo II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or >> TTL viewing system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale. >> A true "zone focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale >> has no distance markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate >> distances, and close up. > > > > We may not always agree on everything, but I do admire and respect your > cyclopedic (Polyphemian?) knowledge on so many topics. > > I did think of you yesterday when I passed a light blue Giullia(?) sprint of > similar vintage to yours. As I was driivng unfortunately as I was driving, > getting a photo wasn't feasible. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
If you read along with the English subtitles, he says they interviewed a lot of young people to find out what THEY wanted in a film camera. Face it Larry, you're "over the hill". On 3/3/2024 3:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Mar 3, 2024, at 9:29 AM, Bill wrote: On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote: As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing something here? Paul Yeah, you are not in the target market for a half frame P camera just like the target market for this camera is interested in a view camera. I remember when I was a kid all of the anti-drug propaganda that was made by adults who were desperately trying to send out messages that were "cool", and failing miserably. I also look at every fashion trend that I think is incredibly lame, but which is the hot buzz, from wearing trousers hanging so low that half your underwear is visible to "stanced" cars, that I think is incredibly lame, but nonetheless is "cool". I can't tell whether this is a case of Ricoh cluelessly trying to be cool, my being clueless at what actually is cool, or both. There is a lot to be said in favor of the not just being a 'me too' company and trying new things. I personally would prefer a K-1 III, and I'd also prefer a UI that put less effort into being a large heavy expensive point and shoot, and more into making it easier to get the best possible raw file. Unfortunately, once again, I am not what large companies perceive as their target market, otherwise I would have been able to find a sporty rear wheel drive hatchback (estate or shooting brake) car that gets >35MPG on the freeway, has a manual transmission and doesn't have all sorts of "features" where the car does things that the driver doesn't explicitly tell it to do. Over on the Forum of Pentax this camera is getting quite a bit of buzz from people who still treat photography as a fun experiment. You mean that there are people who think that photography is actually fun? I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable with. I'm inclined to suggest that one of the biggest advantages of film is that every frame does cost money, it is what forces you to slow down and think about each shot. If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR and replace the focusing screen with a sensor. The viewfinder would be electronic, and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or cheap snaps, but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame of film. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
Target market is YOUNG PEOPLE, not veteran photographers. On 3/3/2024 10:04 AM, Comcast wrote: As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing something here? Paul On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: More news on the Pentax film camera: https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one. Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
I'd play with film more if I had a reliable place to get it processed. On 3/3/2024 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: More news on the Pentax film camera: https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one. Henk -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vivere in aeternum aut mori conatur -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
On March 4, 2024 3:08:47 PM PST, Bill wrote: > >On 3/4/2024 3:15 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> >> As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 rolls of >> film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no longer fashionable >> gadgets, it certainly will fit the bill. And much higher than for dirty laundry hangers that mascarade as home gyms >> >> Ralf >> >That would make it's usage identical to probably 95% of all cameras ever sold. > >bill >-- >%(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List >To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net >to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow >the directions. > -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.03.24 um 00:08 schrieb Bill: That would make it's usage identical to probably 95% of all cameras ever sold. Right enough. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/4/2024 3:15 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 rolls of film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no longer fashionable gadgets, it certainly will fit the bill. Ralf That would make it's usage identical to probably 95% of all cameras ever sold. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
> On Mar 4, 2024, at 8:06 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: > > Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It > is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got > it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the > Right Coast tomorrow. > > Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer Perkeo > II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or TTL > viewing system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale. A > true "zone focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale has > no distance markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate distances, > and close up. We may not always agree on everything, but I do admire and respect your cyclopedic (Polyphemian?) knowledge on so many topics. I did think of you yesterday when I passed a light blue Giullia(?) sprint of similar vintage to yours. As I was driivng unfortunately as I was driving, getting a photo wasn't feasible. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 04.03.24 um 21:16 schrieb Marco Alpert: I guess my question on this is how long these theoretical young folks will continue to find waiting anywhere from a few days to a week to even see what they’ve shot “fun" My guess would be as long as they take to find the next new big thing. This isn't about value or usability. It's about spontaneity, as in spontaneously spending money for the next craze. As long as this camera keeps them happy for, say, half a year or 4 rolls of film until it ends up in a drawer with all their other no longer fashionable gadgets, it certainly will fit the bill. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
I guess my question on this is how long these theoretical young folks will continue to find waiting anywhere from a few days to a week to even see what they’ve shot “fun.” Given the apparent popularity of the Fuji Instax cameras, absolute image quality is not necessarily a big requirement for that kind of fun, but instant gratification seems to be. How long until that enforced wait eclipses the novelty and the camera ends up in a drawer? Sure, there are going to be some who will stick with it for “artistic” or retrophilia reasons (and fewer still who will process and print themselves), but is that market really big enough to make all this development effort worthwhile? I’m actually pretty interested to see how this will play out. - Marco -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 04.03.24 um 19:38 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I had “2 to 3 Minox 35…” I remember for sure it was at least 2. I had one, it was fine, a newer model was introduced with some feature that intrigued me, I think the camera store gave me a trade-in discount when I bought the 2nd. Ah, I see. The 35GT had a certain notoriety for shutter failures. Mine was a present to my father from his colleagues when he retired. I still have it complete with the original box, the docs and the little flash unit. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
I had “2 to 3 Minox 35…” I remember for sure it was at least 2. I had one, it was fine, a newer model was introduced with some feature that intrigued me, I think the camera store gave me a trade-in discount when I bought the 2nd. It seems that there might have been a 3rd, but I don’t have the records nor the memory to be able to verify. Stan > On Mar 4, 2024, at 12:25 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 04.03.24 um 16:06 schrieb Stanley Halpin: >> I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. > > 2 to 3 because they kept failing? My 35GT has been repaired a few times > because of shutter probs until I eventually gave up on it. > > Still, a lovely little camera and capable of great results if it happened to > work properly. It's sitting on my retired cameras shrine. > > Here's a photo I took with it: > > https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/fuehrerstandsmitfahrten-fotoralfbe/44923299 > > Wish I had something digitlal with the same dimensions and picture quality. > > Ralf > > -- > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 04.03.24 um 16:06 schrieb Stanley Halpin: I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. 2 to 3 because they kept failing? My 35GT has been repaired a few times because of shutter probs until I eventually gave up on it. Still, a lovely little camera and capable of great results if it happened to work properly. It's sitting on my retired cameras shrine. Here's a photo I took with it: https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/fuehrerstandsmitfahrten-fotoralfbe/44923299 Wish I had something digitlal with the same dimensions and picture quality. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
Exactly! On 04-Mar-24 05:59 PM, Bob W PDML wrote: On 4 Mar 2024, at 15:42, Alan C wrote: It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but half a frame at a time. It seems to me it will be like a digital compact with film replacing the sensor. All controls will be electronic, nothing mechanical. The lens could be anything. Auto mode will probably mostly rule supreme. Alan C He says in the video, as they have all along, that it will have a manual mechanical film advance. Same with the rewind. They also seem to be considering some sort of unconventional focusing method based on zone focusing, so I’m guessing at a click-stop mechanism possibly implemented as focus by wire rather than having all the gubbins needed for autofocus or for a real focus ring. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
Minox 35... I still have my Minox 35GT-E, which I purchased new in 1998. It is a lovely camera and has made many great photos for me. I've currently got it loaded with some Tri-X and may take it on my two-week excursion to the Right Coast tomorrow. Regards terminology, cameras like this, the Rollei 35, the Voigtländer Perkeo II, etc, are "scale focus" cameras ... they have no rangefinder or TTL viewing system, you focus by setting a distance on the focusing scale. A true "zone focusing camera" is even simpler than this: the focusing scale has no distance markings, just symbols to indicate far, intermediate distances, and close up. Zone focusing is a technique that can be used with any camera that has a distance scale on the focusing mechanism. A DoF scale on the lens provides a lot of convenience but isn't strictly necessary since you can use a table of aperture-distance to focus zone with just a distance setting and known aperture on the camera. With the Minox 35 and Rollei 35, for quick shooting, I leave the aperture at f/11 and just have to remember two distance settings to be able to cover the normal shooting range from around 1.5m to infinity (close: 1.5m to 3.5m, far: 2.5m to infinity, approximately). It's very easy to be very very fast making this setting and makes most AF systems look lethargic by comparison once you have it down. And obviously, when you want to use a large lens opening and are working in close, you have to measure or become much more accurate at estimating distance. Accurate estimation comes with lots of practice... and once you get it, it is instantaneous and unambiguous. :) It seems to me that most people today just want the camera to do all this for them, and then they fuss over focusing mode and targeting the precise subject, complain when it doesn't do exactly what they thought, etc etc. The speed and control that scale focus and zone focusing techniques lend to the picture making process is why I will likely always remain a retro-grouch and love using my antiquated cameras. :D onwards, G > On Mar 4, 2024, at 7:06 AM, Stanley Halpin > wrote: > > I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. Many. I don’t > know if it was the proper technical term, but I always thought it had a zone > focus system. > Depending on amount of light available, I set f/ to /5.6, 8/, or 1/11, > usually used an ISO64 film, sometimes ISO200. Auto exposure. > > One handed, I could pull the camera from my pocket or handlebar bag or from > the carabiner on my gear sling (rock climbing), open the flap-down lens > cover, adjust the focus zone to some approximate point on the dial > (2…3…5…10m...Infinity), look through the uncoupled viewfinder to compose, > shoot a frame or two, close the cover, return the camera to pocket… > Wonderfully simple to use, produced good results. Then I got more serious > about SLRs and longer lenses, etc. Today I do have a Ricoh GRiii which has > many of the same characteristics as that Minox, and I usually have it with me > even when I am primarily working with one of my real cameras. I can see the > appeal of a new film camera of this type. > > Stan > >> On Mar 4, 2024, at 5:16 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: >> >>> Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML: >>> Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square >>> negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll. >> >> But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to look >> like. >> >>> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. >> >> The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the >> Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing >> control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and >> infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into >> focus. >> -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
> On 4 Mar 2024, at 15:42, Alan C wrote: > > It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain > silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format > like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but half a frame > at a time. It seems to me it will be like a digital compact with film > replacing the sensor. All controls will be electronic, nothing mechanical. > The lens could be anything. Auto mode will probably mostly rule supreme. > > Alan C He says in the video, as they have all along, that it will have a manual mechanical film advance. Same with the rewind. They also seem to be considering some sort of unconventional focusing method based on zone focusing, so I’m guessing at a click-stop mechanism possibly implemented as focus by wire rather than having all the gubbins needed for autofocus or for a real focus ring. > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's not going to be a horizontal half frame, that would just be plain silly. There were a couple of quick teasers in the video. Portrait format like a 'phone camera. IMHO it will be standard film advance, but half a frame at a time. It seems to me it will be like a digital compact with film replacing the sensor. All controls will be electronic, nothing mechanical. The lens could be anything. Auto mode will probably mostly rule supreme. Alan C On 03-Mar-24 07:45 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill: I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable with. Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film from top to bottom and a very odd shape of the camera. There has apparently been a market for vertical frame cameras long before mobile phone photography. Remember those 645 rangefinders from Bronica (or Mamiya) in the late 80s or 90s? Ralf -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had 2-3 different Minox 35 GT 35mm cameras many years ago. Many. I don’t know if it was the proper technical term, but I always thought it had a zone focus system. Depending on amount of light available, I set f/ to /5.6, 8/, or 1/11, usually used an ISO64 film, sometimes ISO200. Auto exposure. One handed, I could pull the camera from my pocket or handlebar bag or from the carabiner on my gear sling (rock climbing), open the flap-down lens cover, adjust the focus zone to some approximate point on the dial (2…3…5…10m...Infinity), look through the uncoupled viewfinder to compose, shoot a frame or two, close the cover, return the camera to pocket… Wonderfully simple to use, produced good results. Then I got more serious about SLRs and longer lenses, etc. Today I do have a Ricoh GRiii which has many of the same characteristics as that Minox, and I usually have it with me even when I am primarily working with one of my real cameras. I can see the appeal of a new film camera of this type. Stan > On Mar 4, 2024, at 5:16 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML: >> Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square >> negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll. > > But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to look > like. > >> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. > > The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the > Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing > control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and > infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into > focus. > > Ralf > > -- > > Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany > Blog :http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com > Audio :http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf > Fotos :https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 4 Mar 2024, at 10:16, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > >> In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. > > The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the > Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing > control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and > infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into > focus. It’s a technique that was necessary before rangefinders were standard on cameras, and is still quite widely used by street photographers, using the hyperfocal distance to ensure maximum depth of field. Manual lenses are generally marked with the hyperfocal ranges for different f-stops. Some, such as the thread-mount Leica 50mm Elmar that I have, use a mark to line up focus at 10ft/3m so you can be ready to snap à la sauvette. At f8 everything is in focus from 7.5 feet / 2.something metres to 15ft/4-5m. At 3m the vertical 35mm frame covers the height of a normal door - perfect for when you’re pouting into a mirror for a full-length selfie. It might be a bit different for a half-frame camera. Old school paparazzi relied on this to get their flash-subject distance right. They set their cameras, focus and flashes in advance and pressed the button only when their target was positioned correctly in the finder. The human figure becomes the scale for all the camera settings, something I expect Le Corbusier would have approved of. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 04.03.24 um 10:53 schrieb Bob W PDML: Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll. But it wouldn't look like what those youngsters expect a film camera to look like. In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. The only times I ever see this term is when people describe the way the Horizon panoramic camera is focussed or rather isn't. It has no focussing control. Instead it's fix-focussed somehere mid-distance between here and infinity and you have to stop down to get whatever you want to be sharp into focus. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio :http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos :https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 3 Mar 2024, at 17:45, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: > > Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill: >> I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind >> that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already >> comfortable with. > > Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film from top > to bottom and a very odd shape of the camera. […] Actually it would be the same shape but in a different orientation. I’m not a mechanical engineer so I might be completely wrong, but if you put the film advance on the new top of the camera it would perhaps need only one more gear to deal with the change of orientation. The rewind crank doesn’t need to be on the new top. Making the camera square would do away with that. In fact using a square negative 24x24 would give you 54 frames per roll. A lot of people now like to see the sprocket holes in the picture, postmodernly drawing attention to it being film, so making the frame mask switchable might be an interesting option. In the video he talks about using zone focusing on the camera. I wonder if he means click-stops on the focus ring, or perhaps on a dial, with symbols for the type of shot, eg headshot, head and shoulders, cowboy, full-length, group/wide shot, landscape etc. That could also be used to determine the exposure settings in conjunction with the orientation of the camera, favouring a larger aperture for closer portraits to increase background blur, and a smaller aperture for wider shots using the hyperfocal distance to give the greatest depth of field. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/03/2024 8:01 pm, Henk Terhell wrote: More news on the Pentax film camera: https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one. Same here. All of this discussion reminded me that I have an old (very old!) Olympus Pen half frame around somewhere. If I can work up enough enthusiasm, I might try it out for old time's sake - assuming it still works. I think it dates from around 1959. Brian -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/2024 4:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Very few of my fantasies are likely, that doesn't make them much less fun, it just means that they remain fantasies rather than becoming memories. You just described my experience with girls while I was a teenager. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Mar 3, 2024, at 1:34 PM, Bill wrote: >> If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR >> and replace the focusing screen with a sensor. The viewfinder would be >> electronic, and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or >> cheap snaps, but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame >> of film. >> > This would require a sea change in their camera philosophy and a tremendous > cash outlay available for throwing burning hundred dollar bills out the > window. > > Neither is likely. Very few of my fantasies are likely, that doesn't make them much less fun, it just means that they remain fantasies rather than becoming memories. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/2024 2:21 PM, Larry Colen wrote: You mean that there are people who think that photography is actually fun? Some of us still do it for the joy of doing it rather than treating it as some sort of chore where we need to post one masterpiece per day in Instagram. I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable with. I'm inclined to suggest that one of the biggest advantages of film is that every frame does cost money, it is what forces you to slow down and think about each shot. If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR and replace the focusing screen with a sensor. The viewfinder would be electronic, and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or cheap snaps, but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame of film. This would require a sea change in their camera philosophy and a tremendous cash outlay available for throwing burning hundred dollar bills out the window. Neither is likely. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/2024 11:49 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.03.24 um 18:39 schrieb Doug Brewer: Grain is indeed part of the allure. In an earlier life, I used to shoot expired Tri X at 3200 and process it in Diafine, mostly because it was cheap and simple. You don't get much grainier than that. Ralf I used to rate Kodak Recording film at either 3200 or 6400 for similar effect. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On Mar 3, 2024, at 9:29 AM, Bill wrote: > > > On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote: >> As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less >> capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops >> precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film >> work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal >> whatsoever. Am I missing something here? >> Paul > > Yeah, you are not in the target market for a half frame P camera just like > the target market for this camera is interested in a view camera. I remember when I was a kid all of the anti-drug propaganda that was made by adults who were desperately trying to send out messages that were "cool", and failing miserably. I also look at every fashion trend that I think is incredibly lame, but which is the hot buzz, from wearing trousers hanging so low that half your underwear is visible to "stanced" cars, that I think is incredibly lame, but nonetheless is "cool". I can't tell whether this is a case of Ricoh cluelessly trying to be cool, my being clueless at what actually is cool, or both. There is a lot to be said in favor of the not just being a 'me too' company and trying new things. I personally would prefer a K-1 III, and I'd also prefer a UI that put less effort into being a large heavy expensive point and shoot, and more into making it easier to get the best possible raw file. Unfortunately, once again, I am not what large companies perceive as their target market, otherwise I would have been able to find a sporty rear wheel drive hatchback (estate or shooting brake) car that gets >35MPG on the freeway, has a manual transmission and doesn't have all sorts of "features" where the car does things that the driver doesn't explicitly tell it to do. > > Over on the Forum of Pentax this camera is getting quite a bit of buzz from > people who still treat photography as a fun experiment. You mean that there are people who think that photography is actually fun? > > I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind > that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already > comfortable with. I'm inclined to suggest that one of the biggest advantages of film is that every frame does cost money, it is what forces you to slow down and think about each shot. If Ricoh were really thinking outside the box, they would take a film SLR and replace the focusing screen with a sensor. The viewfinder would be electronic, and it would be able to take digital images either as proofs or cheap snaps, but when you wanted, you could flip a switch and expose a frame of film. > > bill > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from ret13est -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 03.03.24 um 18:39 schrieb Doug Brewer: Grain is indeed part of the allure. In an earlier life, I used to shoot expired Tri X at 3200 and process it in Diafine, mostly because it was cheap and simple. You don't get much grainier than that. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
Am 03.03.24 um 18:29 schrieb Bill: I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable with. Making it a horizontal half frame would mean transporting the film from top to bottom and a very odd shape of the camera. There has apparently been a market for vertical frame cameras long before mobile phone photography. Remember those 645 rangefinders from Bronica (or Mamiya) in the late 80s or 90s? Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos : https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Grain is indeed part of the allure. On 3/3/24 10:51 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote: Am 03.03.24 um 16:16 schrieb Bob W PDML: Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are using it for fun. If shooting grainy photos is fun then let them have it. :-) Ralf -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/3/2024 9:04 AM, Comcast wrote: As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing something here? Paul Yeah, you are not in the target market for a half frame P camera just like the target market for this camera is interested in a view camera. Over on the Forum of Pentax this camera is getting quite a bit of buzz from people who still treat photography as a fun experiment. I was quite surprised that it is a vertical half frame, but the logic behind that decision is that a vertical format is what the target market is already comfortable with. bill -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My take is this: Pentax has a history of zigging while others are zagging.The demographic of the majority of those getting into film today are people who have been raised knowing nothing but digital - those to whom film is something new and different. (It's the Dr. Seuss book Star-Bellied Sneetches.) If Pentax is offering a half-frame in digital, it is because it will give them an advantage over the majority of existing film cameras: twice the number of shots on a roll of film. This obviously reduces the cost of film & developing by 50% for those using half-frames. Vintage half frames aren't going to have the ease of use of a new Pentax model - if prospective buyers even know that they exist. Also, many today are living in a hybrid world of film and digitizing. Who knows what other things Ricoh/Pentax are dreaming up to potentially meld those two worlds? A small market is effectively a large market if you have it almost entirely to yourself. Respectfully, Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:15 AM mike wilson wrote: > > > On 03/03/2024 15:04 GMT Comcast wrote: > > > > > > As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less > capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops > precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film > work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal > whatsoever. Am I missing something here? > > Paul > > Not being (or wanting to be) part of the in crowd? > > > > > > On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: > > > > > > More news on the Pentax film camera: > > > https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW > > > > > > As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the > shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one. > > > > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> On 03/03/2024 15:04 GMT Comcast wrote: > > > As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable > of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. > The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally > on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I > missing something here? > Paul Not being (or wanting to be) part of the in crowd? > > > On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: > > > > More news on the Pentax film camera: > > https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW > > > > As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the > > shelf is not fair to these to invest in a new one. > > -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 03.03.24 um 16:16 schrieb Bob W PDML: Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are using it for fun. If shooting grainy photos is fun then let them have it. :-) Ralf -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email topdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ralf R. Radermacher - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog :http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio :http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Fotos :https://www.fotocommunity.de/user_photos/770012 -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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> Am I missing something here? Yes. You’re not part of the target market. It’s aimed at young people who are using it for fun. > On 3 Mar 2024, at 15:07, Comcast wrote: > > As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less > capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops > precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work > was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal > whatsoever. Am I missing something here? > Paul > >> On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: >> >> More news on the Pentax film camera: >> https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW >> >> As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf >> is not fair to these to invest in a new one. >> >> Henk >> -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
As a medium, film suffers in comparison to digital in that it is less capable of low light reproduction and when pushed, image quality drops precipitously. The solution has always been larger formats. My best film work was generally on 6x7 or 6x6 film. Half a f a 35 mm frame has no appeal whatsoever. Am I missing something here? Paul > On Mar 3, 2024, at 4:01 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: > > More news on the Pentax film camera: > https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW > > As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf > is not fair to these to invest in a new one. > > Henk > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A half-frame Pentax film camera
More on PetaPixel: https://petapixel.com/2024/02/29/pentaxs-brand-new-film-camera-will-lauch-this-summer/ > On 3 Mar 2024, at 09:01, Henk Terhell wrote: > > More news on the Pentax film camera: > https://youtu.be/xqRQTOkhOJU?si=PssAjafiIoYaxbuW > > As for me, with a least a dozen film camera's accumulating dust on the shelf > is not fair to these to invest in a new one. > > Henk > -- > %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List > To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- %(real_name)s Pentax-Discuss Mail List To unsubscribe send an email to pdml-le...@pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
