Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
No, I wrote that. I was trying to be ironic. On 2/12/2018 18:31, Zos Xavius wrote: I never said that's where I heard it from. On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:20 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not going to say I doubt it, but Rice Whine? I don't think he has any more actual information than I have, or anyone else. All published statements of the K-1 being discontinued trace back to one small distributor that doesn't even have it's own web site, which they posted on facebook... The Ricoh imaging websites in the US, Canada, Britain, and the Japanese English language web site still show the K-1 as a current product. Of course Britain still has the Q S1 as a current product, but hey, it's Britain... On 2/9/2018 12:01 PM, John wrote: On 2/9/2018 06:12, Zos Xavius wrote: Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't ask how. ;) RiceHigh says so on his blog, so how can anyone doubt it? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
I never said that's where I heard it from. On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:20 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > I'm not going to say I doubt it, but Rice Whine? I don't think he has any > more actual information than I have, or anyone else. All published > statements of the K-1 being discontinued trace back to one small distributor > that doesn't even have it's own web site, which they posted on facebook... > The Ricoh imaging websites in the US, Canada, Britain, and the Japanese > English language web site still show the K-1 as a current product. Of > course Britain still has the Q S1 as a current product, but hey, it's > Britain... > > > On 2/9/2018 12:01 PM, John wrote: >> >> On 2/9/2018 06:12, Zos Xavius wrote: >>> >>> Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't >>> ask how. ;) >>> >> >> RiceHigh says so on his blog, so how can anyone doubt it? >> > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Better to ignore him, he makes Kennyboy Rockpoorly look good. On 2/9/2018 9:36 PM, John wrote: Isn't he the traditional whipping boy for Pentax newz & rumors? On 2/9/2018 12:20, P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not going to say I doubt it, but Rice Whine? I don't think he has any more actual information than I have, or anyone else. All published statements of the K-1 being discontinued trace back to one small distributor that doesn't even have it's own web site, which they posted on facebook... The Ricoh imaging websites in the US, Canada, Britain, and the Japanese English language web site still show the K-1 as a current product. Of course Britain still has the Q S1 as a current product, but hey, it's Britain... On 2/9/2018 12:01 PM, John wrote: On 2/9/2018 06:12, Zos Xavius wrote: Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't ask how. ;) RiceHigh says so on his blog, so how can anyone doubt it? -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Isn't he the traditional whipping boy for Pentax newz & rumors? On 2/9/2018 12:20, P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not going to say I doubt it, but Rice Whine? I don't think he has any more actual information than I have, or anyone else. All published statements of the K-1 being discontinued trace back to one small distributor that doesn't even have it's own web site, which they posted on facebook... The Ricoh imaging websites in the US, Canada, Britain, and the Japanese English language web site still show the K-1 as a current product. Of course Britain still has the Q S1 as a current product, but hey, it's Britain... On 2/9/2018 12:01 PM, John wrote: On 2/9/2018 06:12, Zos Xavius wrote: Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't ask how. ;) RiceHigh says so on his blog, so how can anyone doubt it? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
I'm not going to say I doubt it, but Rice Whine? I don't think he has any more actual information than I have, or anyone else. All published statements of the K-1 being discontinued trace back to one small distributor that doesn't even have it's own web site, which they posted on facebook... The Ricoh imaging websites in the US, Canada, Britain, and the Japanese English language web site still show the K-1 as a current product. Of course Britain still has the Q S1 as a current product, but hey, it's Britain... On 2/9/2018 12:01 PM, John wrote: On 2/9/2018 06:12, Zos Xavius wrote: Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't ask how. ;) RiceHigh says so on his blog, so how can anyone doubt it? -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
On 2/9/2018 06:12, Zos Xavius wrote: Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't ask how. ;) RiceHigh says so on his blog, so how can anyone doubt it? -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Sorry about this, but I'm testing a new annoying behavior from gmail. On 2/7/2018 10:48 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Excellent. I love my K-1, but an upgraded version would be welcome. Paul On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Darren Addy wrote: https://fstoppers.com/gear/pentax-officially-discontinues-excellent-k-1-camera-mark-ii-version-likely-219429 -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Interesting. Hopefully we'll hear some news from Pentax soon. On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 5:12 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: > Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't > ask how. ;) > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- -- Photography takes an instant out of time, altering life by holding it still. Dorothea Lange -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Its discontinued and a new model is coming. I can confirm this. Don't ask how. ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
If it's anything like the K-3 and K-5XXX I wouldn't expect much of a price drop for quite some time. On 2/8/2018 5:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Conjecture is that the K-1 Mk II would be getting the Sony A7R II/A7R III 42 MP sensor. This makes sense, as Pentax makes it living using Sony sensors, after Sony has had a given time of using them for their own competitive advantage first. Presumably Pentax gets them at a reduced price after they have been in production for a year or two also, and all of the economies of scale have kicked in. From a DXO standpoint, the K-1 was rated a 96, while the A7R II was rated 98 and the A7R III (same sensor) was rated 100 (tied with the Nikon D850). The only two scores ahead of that were the Pentax 645Z (101) and the Hasselblad X1D-50c (102). So Pentax is squeezing their top end camera, though presumably people are using the 645 for other reasons (lenses they own, for one thing). Since the Sony A7R II and share the same sensor, a look at a comparison between the two may be enlightening. As with all upgrades in MP, one MAY have to consider their image editing platform when accessing the FULL cost of upgrading. It will be interesting to see what the original K-1 sells for on the used market, once the Mk II is shipping and more come on the market. On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Replying to my own post, sheesh. In the part about the Czceh Republic "Servers" should be serves, The part where I mention people taking this as a sign of Pentax's eminent demise, should also include a disclaimer that Pentax Forums should be considered dangerous to you mental health. Those are just the things that jump out at me. I should really re-read these things before I hit send. On 2/8/2018 2:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: They don't link to an original document. Is it actually discontinued or no longer in production. A small distinction, but an important one. Ricoh is a small player, at least compared to the biggest manufacturers like Canon, Nikon, and Sony, and to have more than two cameras in it's lineup, the older designs are most likely out of production, but they're still not discontinued. After a cursory review of the discontinued rumors, I found only one official notice from the Czceh Republic, where the distributor doesn't even have it's own dedicated web site. USA and Canada both show the K-1 as a current product. I didn't check any others but I assume that all the larger distributors have reasonable supplies. I don't expect it to be officially discontinued by Ricoh until the K-1II has been on dealer's shelves for several months. Local distributors are a different story. The USA distributor for example discontinued the K50 three times, then quietly recontinued, (yes I made that word up), that model when more became available. They've done the same with various lenses, the demise of the FA 35mm f2.0 has been reported in the North American market several times, yet you can still buy them at B&H Photo new. It's almost certain that /production/ of the K-1 stopped several months ago, because, well, the production line had to be modified for the K-1II so that a sufficient inventory existed by it's launch date. So we have one small distributor of the K-1 announcing it's official discontinuation, in the area it servers, and magically the K-1 is discontinued everywhere. Some people are taking this as a sign of Pentax's eminent demise. My question is where is the K-3 III, or what ever the heck it will be called. Ricoh has said that there will be one. That the K-P is not it's replacement, (though it's pretty certain that the K-3II is out of production to free up a production line to produce the K-P). The K-3 line pretty much competes with the Nikon 7xxx series bodies, and is getting kind of long in the tooth compared to the 7500D, and the K-P doesn't compete there except on build quality, resolution, (though how much better 24mp is than 20mp, in practical terms is a question). and Price. On 2/7/2018 10:32 PM, Darren Addy wrote: https://fstoppers.com/gear/pentax-officially-discontinues-excellent-k-1-camera-mark-ii-version-likely-219429 -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Conjecture is that the K-1 Mk II would be getting the Sony A7R II/A7R III 42 MP sensor. This makes sense, as Pentax makes it living using Sony sensors, after Sony has had a given time of using them for their own competitive advantage first. Presumably Pentax gets them at a reduced price after they have been in production for a year or two also, and all of the economies of scale have kicked in. From a DXO standpoint, the K-1 was rated a 96, while the A7R II was rated 98 and the A7R III (same sensor) was rated 100 (tied with the Nikon D850). The only two scores ahead of that were the Pentax 645Z (101) and the Hasselblad X1D-50c (102). So Pentax is squeezing their top end camera, though presumably people are using the 645 for other reasons (lenses they own, for one thing). Since the Sony A7R II and share the same sensor, a look at a comparison between the two may be enlightening. As with all upgrades in MP, one MAY have to consider their image editing platform when accessing the FULL cost of upgrading. It will be interesting to see what the original K-1 sells for on the used market, once the Mk II is shipping and more come on the market. On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 1:57 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > Replying to my own post, sheesh. > > In the part about the Czceh Republic "Servers" should be serves, > > The part where I mention people taking this as a sign of Pentax's eminent > demise, should also include a disclaimer that Pentax Forums should be > considered dangerous to you mental health. > > Those are just the things that jump out at me. I should really re-read > these things before I hit send. > > > > On 2/8/2018 2:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> They don't link to an original document. Is it actually discontinued or >> no longer in production. A small distinction, but an important one. Ricoh >> is a small player, at least compared to the biggest manufacturers like >> Canon, Nikon, and Sony, and to have more than two cameras in it's lineup, >> the older designs are most likely out of production, but they're still not >> discontinued. >> >> After a cursory review of the discontinued rumors, I found only one >> official notice from the Czceh Republic, where the distributor doesn't even >> have it's own dedicated web site. >> >> USA and Canada both show the K-1 as a current product. I didn't check any >> others but I assume that all the larger distributors have reasonable >> supplies. >> >> I don't expect it to be officially discontinued by Ricoh until the K-1II >> has been on dealer's shelves for several months. Local distributors are a >> different story. >> >> The USA distributor for example discontinued the K50 three times, then >> quietly recontinued, (yes I made that word up), that model when more became >> available. They've done the same with various lenses, the demise of the FA >> 35mm f2.0 has been reported in the North American market several times, yet >> you can still buy them at B&H Photo new. >> >> It's almost certain that /production/ of the K-1 stopped several months >> ago, because, well, the production line had to be modified for the K-1II so >> that a sufficient inventory existed by it's launch date. >> >> So we have one small distributor of the K-1 announcing it's official >> discontinuation, in the area it servers, and magically the K-1 is >> discontinued everywhere. >> >> Some people are taking this as a sign of Pentax's eminent demise. >> >> My question is where is the K-3 III, or what ever the heck it will be >> called. Ricoh has said that there will be one. That the K-P is not it's >> replacement, (though it's pretty certain that the K-3II is out of production >> to free up a production line to produce the K-P). The K-3 line pretty much >> competes with the Nikon 7xxx series bodies, and is getting kind of long in >> the tooth compared to the 7500D, and the K-P doesn't compete there except on >> build quality, resolution, (though how much better 24mp is than 20mp, in >> practical terms is a question). and Price. >> >> >> On 2/7/2018 10:32 PM, Darren Addy wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://fstoppers.com/gear/pentax-officially-discontinues-excellent-k-1-camera-mark-ii-version-likely-219429 >> >> > > -- > America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. > America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. > - P.J. O'Rourke > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Replying to my own post, sheesh. In the part about the Czceh Republic "Servers" should be serves, The part where I mention people taking this as a sign of Pentax's eminent demise, should also include a disclaimer that Pentax Forums should be considered dangerous to you mental health. Those are just the things that jump out at me. I should really re-read these things before I hit send. On 2/8/2018 2:41 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: They don't link to an original document. Is it actually discontinued or no longer in production. A small distinction, but an important one. Ricoh is a small player, at least compared to the biggest manufacturers like Canon, Nikon, and Sony, and to have more than two cameras in it's lineup, the older designs are most likely out of production, but they're still not discontinued. After a cursory review of the discontinued rumors, I found only one official notice from the Czceh Republic, where the distributor doesn't even have it's own dedicated web site. USA and Canada both show the K-1 as a current product. I didn't check any others but I assume that all the larger distributors have reasonable supplies. I don't expect it to be officially discontinued by Ricoh until the K-1II has been on dealer's shelves for several months. Local distributors are a different story. The USA distributor for example discontinued the K50 three times, then quietly recontinued, (yes I made that word up), that model when more became available. They've done the same with various lenses, the demise of the FA 35mm f2.0 has been reported in the North American market several times, yet you can still buy them at B&H Photo new. It's almost certain that /production/ of the K-1 stopped several months ago, because, well, the production line had to be modified for the K-1II so that a sufficient inventory existed by it's launch date. So we have one small distributor of the K-1 announcing it's official discontinuation, in the area it servers, and magically the K-1 is discontinued everywhere. Some people are taking this as a sign of Pentax's eminent demise. My question is where is the K-3 III, or what ever the heck it will be called. Ricoh has said that there will be one. That the K-P is not it's replacement, (though it's pretty certain that the K-3II is out of production to free up a production line to produce the K-P). The K-3 line pretty much competes with the Nikon 7xxx series bodies, and is getting kind of long in the tooth compared to the 7500D, and the K-P doesn't compete there except on build quality, resolution, (though how much better 24mp is than 20mp, in practical terms is a question). and Price. On 2/7/2018 10:32 PM, Darren Addy wrote: https://fstoppers.com/gear/pentax-officially-discontinues-excellent-k-1-camera-mark-ii-version-likely-219429 -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
They don't link to an original document. Is it actually discontinued or no longer in production. A small distinction, but an important one. Ricoh is a small player, at least compared to the biggest manufacturers like Canon, Nikon, and Sony, and to have more than two cameras in it's lineup, the older designs are most likely out of production, but they're still not discontinued. After a cursory review of the discontinued rumors, I found only one official notice from the Czceh Republic, where the distributor doesn't even have it's own dedicated web site. USA and Canada both show the K-1 as a current product. I didn't check any others but I assume that all the larger distributors have reasonable supplies. I don't expect it to be officially discontinued by Ricoh until the K-1II has been on dealer's shelves for several months. Local distributors are a different story. The USA distributor for example discontinued the K50 three times, then quietly recontinued, (yes I made that word up), that model when more became available. They've done the same with various lenses, the demise of the FA 35mm f2.0 has been reported in the North American market several times, yet you can still buy them at B&H Photo new. It's almost certain that /production/ of the K-1 stopped several months ago, because, well, the production line had to be modified for the K-1II so that a sufficient inventory existed by it's launch date. So we have one small distributor of the K-1 announcing it's official discontinuation, in the area it servers, and magically the K-1 is discontinued everywhere. Some people are taking this as a sign of Pentax's eminent demise. My question is where is the K-3 III, or what ever the heck it will be called. Ricoh has said that there will be one. That the K-P is not it's replacement, (though it's pretty certain that the K-3II is out of production to free up a production line to produce the K-P). The K-3 line pretty much competes with the Nikon 7xxx series bodies, and is getting kind of long in the tooth compared to the 7500D, and the K-P doesn't compete there except on build quality, resolution, (though how much better 24mp is than 20mp, in practical terms is a question). and Price. On 2/7/2018 10:32 PM, Darren Addy wrote: https://fstoppers.com/gear/pentax-officially-discontinues-excellent-k-1-camera-mark-ii-version-likely-219429 -- America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damn well please. - P.J. O'Rourke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-1 discontinued (mk ii version likely)
Excellent. I love my K-1, but an upgraded version would be welcome. Paul > On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Darren Addy wrote: > > https://fstoppers.com/gear/pentax-officially-discontinues-excellent-k-1-camera-mark-ii-version-likely-219429 > -- > “The Earth is Art, The Photographer is only a Witness ” > ― Yann Arthus-Bertrand, Earth from Above > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
