Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-29 Thread Steve Cottrell
I did that trip when I was 10   ;-)  Canadian Pacific. One one short leg up in 
the Rockies I got to sit in the cab. I’ll never forget the sight of deer 
jumping along fresh snow in front of the train. Every so often the engineer 
would reach into a large coolbox under his seat and pull out a can of distilled 
water which he would open - all with one hand and in one motion - and gulp down.

I was literally in awe.

Cotty



> On 27 Jul 2023, at 22:52, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> a few days later we board a train for a 4-day trip to Vancouver British 
> Columbia, and then on from there. 


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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-27 Thread Stanley Halpin
Thanks for the link.
I will be trying the iPad + LR Mobile on this next trip, will run through a few 
practice sessions beforehand to try to develop confidence in the workflow.

Back story: Over the last 10-20-30 years I have been able to do a lot of 
travel. Until sorely after retirement in 2010 much of that was in conjunction 
with business trips.
Over time I have developed strategies for taking/storing/processing images. 
Many of the strategies depended on having my laptop along. A few trips without, 
but mostly with. And I have developed a reasonably slim packing list. But 
larger camera bodies, more lenses, more other devices that need chargers… The 
laptop has become one item that I need to jettison. Because Canadian trains.
Our travel typically has involved a 2-3 leg flight to somewhere, maybe some 
local train travel (e.g., Barcelona to Paris), usually some time aboard a 
cruise ship. Our upcoming trip is somewhat different. A 2-leg flight to 
Toronto, a few days later we board a train for a 4-day trip to Vancouver 
British Columbia, and then on from there. The train sleeper compartment is 
small, minimal luggage allowed, and I am trying to minimize the amount of 
electronic & camera gear. I can get by with a smallish shoulder bag unless I 
take the laptop, in which case I need to use my backpack…

I think this is what is sometimes referred to as a “first world problem.”
Somehow I will manage to struggle through. 邏

Stan

> On Jul 27, 2023, at 3:26 AM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2023, at 22:20, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
>> 
>> […]
>> I do not want to synch my images to Adobe Cloud, I just want to manage my 
>> backing up and exporting/sharing on my own.
> 
> Then you can’t use LR CC, simple as that. You’ll need to find something else 
> to edit and render your photos on the move.
> 
>> 
>> I tried on one trip, based in part on your positive experience Bob. I used 
>> the Adobe system, created albums of 4-6 images, retrieved the web address, 
>> shared those albums via WordPress entries. OK so far. But then I got home, 
>> tried to put all the images from the trip on my local storage directly from 
>> SD cards, merging with downloads of the ones I had shared already, and wound 
>> up with a confusing mess. 
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-27 Thread Henk Terhell
Don't forget we have Pentax in our forum name.

Henk

Op do 27 jul 2023 om 11:27 schreef mike wilson :

> Snap!  We're just sooo last millenuim.
>
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-27 Thread mike wilson
Snap!  We're just sooo last millenuim.
> On 27/07/2023 07:19 Alan C  wrote:
> 
>  
> I don't take anything & wait till I get back home!
> 
> Alan C
> 
> On 27-Jul-23 07:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > I simplify for travel: I don't use LR Mobile, or cloud-based LR.
> >
> > When traveling, I'm using my iPads or iPhone. For the little I want to do 
> > in rendering when traveling, I use Photos+RAW Power, Snapseed, or Affinity 
> > Photo. Anything I do on the devices locally gets imported into LR Classic 
> > at home.
> >
> > G
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> >
> >> On Jul 26, 2023, at 2:20 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> What I have run into is the following:
> >> 1. Load images from an SD card onto my iPad.
> >> 2. Open in LR Mobile, (with no internet, with synch paused).
> >> 3. Select/edit 3-4 images.
> >> 4. Attempt to export/share those images to another app. E.g. WordPress.
> >> 5. LR says “cannot complete. No internet connection. Images not synched.” 
> >> Or words to that effect.
> >>
> >> I do not want to synch my images to Adobe Cloud, I just want to manage my 
> >> backing up and exporting/sharing on my own.
> >>
> >> I tried on one trip, based in part on your positive experience Bob. I used 
> >> the Adobe system, created albums of 4-6 images, retrieved the web address, 
> >> shared those albums via WordPress entries. OK so far. But then I got home, 
> >> tried to put all the images from the trip on my local storage directly 
> >> from SD cards, merging with downloads of the ones I had shared already, 
> >> and wound up with a confusing mess.
> >>
> >> The Cloud-based approach is ok if that is all you use, if you always or 
> >> usually have a robust connection to the net. I have found it too 
> >> complicated to use in alternation with LR Classic. As I said earlier, I 
> >> will give it another try just because I really really want to leave the 
> >> laptop home on this next trip. Even though I distrust and dislike the 
> >> app’s constant attempts to use limited bandwidth. We’ll see…
> >>
> >> Stan
> >>
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-27 Thread Bob W PDML


> On 26 Jul 2023, at 22:20, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> […]
> I do not want to synch my images to Adobe Cloud, I just want to manage my 
> backing up and exporting/sharing on my own.

Then you can’t use LR CC, simple as that. You’ll need to find something else to 
edit and render your photos on the move.

> 
> I tried on one trip, based in part on your positive experience Bob. I used 
> the Adobe system, created albums of 4-6 images, retrieved the web address, 
> shared those albums via WordPress entries. OK so far. But then I got home, 
> tried to put all the images from the trip on my local storage directly from 
> SD cards, merging with downloads of the ones I had shared already, and wound 
> up with a confusing mess. 

You could make the argument that software developers should support the actual 
processes that people want to use, and many of them do a lot of ethnographic 
research to support that. However there’s always going to be a limit to what 
can be done. 

With LR I’ve tried to understand the process they support, and use that, the 
line of least resistance, rather than try to force it to do things my way. 
Again, there’s a limit and if software is too different from my approach I 
don’t use it.

In the case you’ve outlined I’d import everything from the SD card into LR on 
my phone or iPad and do whatever work I need there. Back at home I’d just let 
it sync with the classic version on the desktop in the way Adobe designed it 
rather than try to import into the desktop version from the storage devices and 
merging as you’ve described.

The second half of this link, which I’ve mangled to try and bypass the PDML’s 
guard dogs, has an explanation. 

< helpx.adobe.com/uk/

 lightroom-classic/how-to/sync-photos-lightroom-mobile.html > 

> 
> The Cloud-based approach is ok if that is all you use, if you always or 
> usually have a robust connection to the net. I have found it too complicated 
> to use in alternation with LR Classic. As I said earlier, I will give it 
> another try just because I really really want to leave the laptop home on 
> this next trip. Even though I distrust and dislike the app’s constant 
> attempts to use limited bandwidth. We’ll see…
> 
> Stan
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-27 Thread Alan C

I don't take anything & wait till I get back home!

Alan C

On 27-Jul-23 07:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I simplify for travel: I don't use LR Mobile, or cloud-based LR.

When traveling, I'm using my iPads or iPhone. For the little I want to do in 
rendering when traveling, I use Photos+RAW Power, Snapseed, or Affinity Photo. 
Anything I do on the devices locally gets imported into LR Classic at home.

G
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On Jul 26, 2023, at 2:20 PM, Stanley Halpin  wrote:

What I have run into is the following:
1. Load images from an SD card onto my iPad.
2. Open in LR Mobile, (with no internet, with synch paused).
3. Select/edit 3-4 images.
4. Attempt to export/share those images to another app. E.g. WordPress.
5. LR says “cannot complete. No internet connection. Images not synched.” Or 
words to that effect.

I do not want to synch my images to Adobe Cloud, I just want to manage my 
backing up and exporting/sharing on my own.

I tried on one trip, based in part on your positive experience Bob. I used the 
Adobe system, created albums of 4-6 images, retrieved the web address, shared 
those albums via WordPress entries. OK so far. But then I got home, tried to 
put all the images from the trip on my local storage directly from SD cards, 
merging with downloads of the ones I had shared already, and wound up with a 
confusing mess.

The Cloud-based approach is ok if that is all you use, if you always or usually 
have a robust connection to the net. I have found it too complicated to use in 
alternation with LR Classic. As I said earlier, I will give it another try just 
because I really really want to leave the laptop home on this next trip. Even 
though I distrust and dislike the app’s constant attempts to use limited 
bandwidth. We’ll see…

Stan


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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I simplify for travel: I don't use LR Mobile, or cloud-based LR. 

When traveling, I'm using my iPads or iPhone. For the little I want to do in 
rendering when traveling, I use Photos+RAW Power, Snapseed, or Affinity Photo. 
Anything I do on the devices locally gets imported into LR Classic at home. 

G
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> On Jul 26, 2023, at 2:20 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> What I have run into is the following:
> 1. Load images from an SD card onto my iPad.
> 2. Open in LR Mobile, (with no internet, with synch paused).
> 3. Select/edit 3-4 images.
> 4. Attempt to export/share those images to another app. E.g. WordPress.
> 5. LR says “cannot complete. No internet connection. Images not synched.” Or 
> words to that effect.
> 
> I do not want to synch my images to Adobe Cloud, I just want to manage my 
> backing up and exporting/sharing on my own.
> 
> I tried on one trip, based in part on your positive experience Bob. I used 
> the Adobe system, created albums of 4-6 images, retrieved the web address, 
> shared those albums via WordPress entries. OK so far. But then I got home, 
> tried to put all the images from the trip on my local storage directly from 
> SD cards, merging with downloads of the ones I had shared already, and wound 
> up with a confusing mess. 
> 
> The Cloud-based approach is ok if that is all you use, if you always or 
> usually have a robust connection to the net. I have found it too complicated 
> to use in alternation with LR Classic. As I said earlier, I will give it 
> another try just because I really really want to leave the laptop home on 
> this next trip. Even though I distrust and dislike the app’s constant 
> attempts to use limited bandwidth. We’ll see…
> 
> Stan
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Stanley Halpin
What I have run into is the following:
1. Load images from an SD card onto my iPad.
2. Open in LR Mobile, (with no internet, with synch paused).
3. Select/edit 3-4 images.
4. Attempt to export/share those images to another app. E.g. WordPress.
5. LR says “cannot complete. No internet connection. Images not synched.” Or 
words to that effect.

I do not want to synch my images to Adobe Cloud, I just want to manage my 
backing up and exporting/sharing on my own.

I tried on one trip, based in part on your positive experience Bob. I used the 
Adobe system, created albums of 4-6 images, retrieved the web address, shared 
those albums via WordPress entries. OK so far. But then I got home, tried to 
put all the images from the trip on my local storage directly from SD cards, 
merging with downloads of the ones I had shared already, and wound up with a 
confusing mess. 

The Cloud-based approach is ok if that is all you use, if you always or usually 
have a robust connection to the net. I have found it too complicated to use in 
alternation with LR Classic. As I said earlier, I will give it another try just 
because I really really want to leave the laptop home on this next trip. Even 
though I distrust and dislike the app’s constant attempts to use limited 
bandwidth. We’ll see…

Stan

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 4:04 PM, Bob W PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Adobe’s cloud-based design is apparently based on an audience with a totally 
>> different perspective, those who are constantly connected to high-sped 
>> internet and who want every image sucked off their devices and stored in 
>> Adobe’s Cloud to be shared with the world.
> 
> This is rather a caricature. Storing it in the cloud does not mean sharing it 
> with the world. 
> 
> Storing things in the cloud is a perfectly reasonable off-site backup. And 
> since it’s so easy and convenient to have everything available from each 
> device, instead of being the backup it’s perfectly reasonable for it to be 
> the primary storage, and for people to use something like LR Classic’s device 
> storage as the backup in case Adobe’s one, never-backed-up, wobbly old PC has 
> a head crash (I can do caricatures too!).
> 
> LR Mobile caches everything locally before it tries to sync it to the cloud, 
> so if you have no internet connection, or a slow or wobbly one, you’re not 
> losing anything and it will trickle-feed it as and when it can. 
> 
> If I were travelling somewhere very, very remote for any length of time I’d 
> back the SD cards up to a separate storage device, and keep the images on the 
> SD cards, as well as importing them into LR Mobile. I’ve never needed this 
> sort of belt & braces approach in Europe.
> 
> The downside of the mobile version, to me, is that it doesn’t have some of 
> the useful functionality of the classic version, but it’s functionality I 
> don’t usually need when I’m travelling.
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2023, at 20:36, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
>> 
>> I use a MacBook Pro, at home and when traveling. I use Lightroom Classic. I 
>> seldom need or intentionally use Adobe’s cloud synch features.
>> On my upcoming trip I will try using LR Mobile on my iPad (and leave my 
>> laptop home) and so there are some aspects of that app that will not work if 
>> it is not actively on the net. But mostly I will have internet access turned 
>> off. 
>> 
>> The LR Mobile approach to synching, and most of Adobe’s cloud-based design 
>> is apparently based on an audience with a totally different perspective, 
>> those who are constantly connected to high-sped internet and who want every 
>> image sucked off their devices and stored in Adobe’s Cloud to be shared with 
>> the world. I like the functionality of LR Classic and am grateful that they 
>> retained this alternative to the Cloud-based apps.
>> 
>> Back when I had both a desktop Mac and my laptop, I did have LR Classic on 
>> both machines and never had an issue unless I tried to have both running at 
>> the same time.
>> 
>> Stan
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> I have Lightroom Classic running on this here Mac mini, with my photos on 
>>> external hard drives.
>>> We’re going to be doing some traveling, and I’d like to have LR on my 
>>> MacBook Pro.  There is loads of room on its internal drive.
>>> What flavor of LR should I install on my laptop that won’t insist on using 
>>> the cloud?  Will Adobe allow me to download another copy of LrC?
>>> Their website is completely un-helpful, alas.
>>> Rick
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Paul Stenquist
I use subscription photoshop, ARC and bridge on my d sky op Mac and airbook. I 
store all images on my hard drives rather than on Adibevservers,although the 
latter are not “shared with the world.” When I want to share images with 
publishers or others I usually use my Dropbox account.

Paul

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 3:36 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> I use a MacBook Pro, at home and when traveling. I use Lightroom Classic. I 
> seldom need or intentionally use Adobe’s cloud synch features.
> On my upcoming trip I will try using LR Mobile on my iPad (and leave my 
> laptop home) and so there are some aspects of that app that will not work if 
> it is not actively on the net. But mostly I will have internet access turned 
> off. 
> 
> The LR Mobile approach to synching, and most of Adobe’s cloud-based design is 
> apparently based on an audience with a totally different perspective, those 
> who are constantly connected to high-sped internet and who want every image 
> sucked off their devices and stored in Adobe’s Cloud to be shared with the 
> world. I like the functionality of LR Classic and am grateful that they 
> retained this alternative to the Cloud-based apps.
> 
> Back when I had both a desktop Mac and my laptop, I did have LR Classic on 
> both machines and never had an issue unless I tried to have both running at 
> the same time.
> 
> Stan
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> 
>> I have Lightroom Classic running on this here Mac mini, with my photos on 
>> external hard drives.
>> 
>> We’re going to be doing some traveling, and I’d like to have LR on my 
>> MacBook Pro.  There is loads of room on its internal drive.
>> 
>> What flavor of LR should I install on my laptop that won’t insist on using 
>> the cloud?  Will Adobe allow me to download another copy of LrC?
>> 
>> Their website is completely un-helpful, alas.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Bob W PDML

> 
> Adobe’s cloud-based design is apparently based on an audience with a totally 
> different perspective, those who are constantly connected to high-sped 
> internet and who want every image sucked off their devices and stored in 
> Adobe’s Cloud to be shared with the world.

This is rather a caricature. Storing it in the cloud does not mean sharing it 
with the world. 

Storing things in the cloud is a perfectly reasonable off-site backup. And 
since it’s so easy and convenient to have everything available from each 
device, instead of being the backup it’s perfectly reasonable for it to be the 
primary storage, and for people to use something like LR Classic’s device 
storage as the backup in case Adobe’s one, never-backed-up, wobbly old PC has a 
head crash (I can do caricatures too!).

LR Mobile caches everything locally before it tries to sync it to the cloud, so 
if you have no internet connection, or a slow or wobbly one, you’re not losing 
anything and it will trickle-feed it as and when it can. 

If I were travelling somewhere very, very remote for any length of time I’d 
back the SD cards up to a separate storage device, and keep the images on the 
SD cards, as well as importing them into LR Mobile. I’ve never needed this sort 
of belt & braces approach in Europe.

The downside of the mobile version, to me, is that it doesn’t have some of the 
useful functionality of the classic version, but it’s functionality I don’t 
usually need when I’m travelling.

> On 26 Jul 2023, at 20:36, Stanley Halpin  wrote:
> 
> I use a MacBook Pro, at home and when traveling. I use Lightroom Classic. I 
> seldom need or intentionally use Adobe’s cloud synch features.
> On my upcoming trip I will try using LR Mobile on my iPad (and leave my 
> laptop home) and so there are some aspects of that app that will not work if 
> it is not actively on the net. But mostly I will have internet access turned 
> off. 
> 
> The LR Mobile approach to synching, and most of Adobe’s cloud-based design is 
> apparently based on an audience with a totally different perspective, those 
> who are constantly connected to high-sped internet and who want every image 
> sucked off their devices and stored in Adobe’s Cloud to be shared with the 
> world. I like the functionality of LR Classic and am grateful that they 
> retained this alternative to the Cloud-based apps.
> 
> Back when I had both a desktop Mac and my laptop, I did have LR Classic on 
> both machines and never had an issue unless I tried to have both running at 
> the same time.
> 
> Stan
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> I have Lightroom Classic running on this here Mac mini, with my photos on 
>> external hard drives.
>> We’re going to be doing some traveling, and I’d like to have LR on my 
>> MacBook Pro.  There is loads of room on its internal drive.
>> What flavor of LR should I install on my laptop that won’t insist on using 
>> the cloud?  Will Adobe allow me to download another copy of LrC?
>> Their website is completely un-helpful, alas.
>> Rick
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Stanley Halpin
I use a MacBook Pro, at home and when traveling. I use Lightroom Classic. I 
seldom need or intentionally use Adobe’s cloud synch features.
On my upcoming trip I will try using LR Mobile on my iPad (and leave my laptop 
home) and so there are some aspects of that app that will not work if it is not 
actively on the net. But mostly I will have internet access turned off. 

The LR Mobile approach to synching, and most of Adobe’s cloud-based design is 
apparently based on an audience with a totally different perspective, those who 
are constantly connected to high-sped internet and who want every image sucked 
off their devices and stored in Adobe’s Cloud to be shared with the world. I 
like the functionality of LR Classic and am grateful that they retained this 
alternative to the Cloud-based apps.

Back when I had both a desktop Mac and my laptop, I did have LR Classic on both 
machines and never had an issue unless I tried to have both running at the same 
time.

Stan

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 11:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have Lightroom Classic running on this here Mac mini, with my photos on 
> external hard drives.
> 
> We’re going to be doing some traveling, and I’d like to have LR on my MacBook 
> Pro.  There is loads of room on its internal drive.
> 
> What flavor of LR should I install on my laptop that won’t insist on using 
> the cloud?  Will Adobe allow me to download another copy of LrC?
> 
> Their website is completely un-helpful, alas.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 26.07.23 um 18:05 schrieb Toine:

I use Lr on my notebook during travel. It syncs the raw files to the cloud.
I can edit everything. Back at home I run LrC which syncs the raw files and
I continue in LrC


Works fine as long as your internet access while travelling is fast
enough. I wouldn't have to rely on it in Dunkirk, so I travel with an
external USB drive for daily backups.

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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Toine
I use Lr on my notebook during travel. It syncs the raw files to the cloud.
I can edit everything. Back at home I run LrC which syncs the raw files and
I continue in LrC

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 at 18:01, Larry Colen  wrote:

> You can install LRC on any number of computers, but it can only be
> registered as active on two at a time.
>
>-LRC
>
> > On Jul 26, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> >
> > I have Lightroom Classic running on this here Mac mini, with my photos
> on external hard drives.
> >
> > We’re going to be doing some traveling, and I’d like to have LR on my
> MacBook Pro.  There is loads of room on its internal drive.
> >
> > What flavor of LR should I install on my laptop that won’t insist on
> using the cloud?  Will Adobe allow me to download another copy of LrC?
> >
> > Their website is completely un-helpful, alas.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
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Re: LrC and travel

2023-07-26 Thread Larry Colen
You can install LRC on any number of computers, but it can only be registered 
as active on two at a time.

   -LRC

> On Jul 26, 2023, at 8:56 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> I have Lightroom Classic running on this here Mac mini, with my photos on 
> external hard drives.
> 
> We’re going to be doing some traveling, and I’d like to have LR on my MacBook 
> Pro.  There is loads of room on its internal drive.
> 
> What flavor of LR should I install on my laptop that won’t insist on using 
> the cloud?  Will Adobe allow me to download another copy of LrC?
> 
> Their website is completely un-helpful, alas.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
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