Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[P. J. Alling]

Heck, I'm still using the 85 f2.0.  It's small, light weight, (no bigger 
than a 50mm really), and on APS-C gives something between good and great 
results.


It's just a good thing that my eyes are still pretty good since it's 
manual focus, and I use it mostly in low light where the green button 
gives a decent approximation of correct exposure, since the lens is wide 
open most of the time.


On 3/26/2020 5:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:

Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...

Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have other 
underlying conditions.

The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it was a 
very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this is now.
Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to all sorts 
of fringing.
Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and a great deal of 
three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you get it right" says a 
lot more than the lens delivers.
It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make it out 
to be.

bill

This sort of discussion is kind of like when someone posts “I just bought a 
K-70 and I want another lens, which lens should I buy?”, the only appropriate 
response is “for what sort of photography?”.

Alternatively, deciding between the 77/1.8 and the new 85/1.4 is like deciding 
between a 30W tube amp and a 100W solid state amplifier (*).  Some people will 
argue that the solid state amp is more accurate, and others that the tube amp 
sounds better. Some people will say that the tube amp is better for some sorts 
of music and the solid state better for others.

One thing that I know about my 77 is that for many years after I got it, I 
could not look through the viewfinder when it was on my camera, without it 
making me smile.  If you define “imperfection” as difference from an exact 
representation of the scene, every lens has imperfections, some of them are 
pleasing to some, some are displeasing.  It’s kind of like the ginger who hates 
the freckles that you think are so incredibly attractive.

I’ve learned that in low light conditions, the difference of 2/3 stop can make 
a lot more difference than one would guess.  I’ve also learned that with 
(pentax) autofocus, more magnification means more separation between autofocus 
points, and less chance that the camera will focus on the thing that you don’t 
want it to.  The 85/1.4 is also weather sealed, which can make a big difference 
when shooting outdoors.  On the other hand, it’ll probably weigh about the same 
as my 77, 43, 31, and FA50 all put together.  And for that matter, until they 
hit the used market, I’d probably have to sell all of those to have enough 
money to buy a new 85/1.4.

I expect that when things settle that they will both be great lenses, that in 
most cases the optical differences between them won’t matter, but there will be 
cases where one would be better than the other.


* As an aside, it turns out that someone I was having a debate with on facebook 
was involved in the design of the NAD3020, which was the first piece of audio 
gear that I bought, and amazing piece of kit, especially for the price.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Doug Brewer]

Not heresy at all, Bill, because it depends on what you're looking for 
in a lens. I find that good lenses designed for film, including of 
course the 77, have qualities that modulate the ever sharper, ever more 
detailed efforts of digital sensors available today.


If I were more heavily involved with photography requiring absolute 
resolution, I would likely carry more interest in the current lens 
array, including the newly announced 85, but since the majority of my 
current work calls for a subtler approach to fidelity, the 77 delivers 
what I want.


I haven't run across much fringing, but I mostly use the lens in 
controlled conditions unlikely to introduce it.


Yes, the AF is slow/clunky, which is sometimes an issue, and that it has 
a somewhat unfortunate minimum focusing distance is a niggle. God gave 
me feet for a reason, I guess.


My probably more important point, which got lost, is that the new 85 is 
just too close in length to the 77 to justify its addition to my bag 
despite the speed increase, when the 77 does the job for me.


The cost is also a consideration, especially in the current climate, 
when what I do, which is up and down at the best of times, is now 
virtually dead.


Do report back what you think of the new lens when it reaches you. I'm 
not terribly active on the list but I do keep up somewhat, and obviously 
the announcement of new product caught my attention.


Doug

On 3/26/20 4:55 PM, Bill wrote:

On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:

Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...


Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have 
other underlying conditions.


The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it 
was a very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this 
is now.
Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to 
all sorts of fringing.
Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and 
a great deal of three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you 
get it right" says a lot more than the lens delivers.
It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make 
it out to be.


bill



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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:
>> Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...
> 
> Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have other 
> underlying conditions.
> 
> The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it was a 
> very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this is now.
> Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to all 
> sorts of fringing.
> Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and a 
> great deal of three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you get it 
> right" says a lot more than the lens delivers.
> It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make it 
> out to be.
> 
> bill

This sort of discussion is kind of like when someone posts “I just bought a 
K-70 and I want another lens, which lens should I buy?”, the only appropriate 
response is “for what sort of photography?”.

Alternatively, deciding between the 77/1.8 and the new 85/1.4 is like deciding 
between a 30W tube amp and a 100W solid state amplifier (*).  Some people will 
argue that the solid state amp is more accurate, and others that the tube amp 
sounds better. Some people will say that the tube amp is better for some sorts 
of music and the solid state better for others.  

One thing that I know about my 77 is that for many years after I got it, I 
could not look through the viewfinder when it was on my camera, without it 
making me smile.  If you define “imperfection” as difference from an exact 
representation of the scene, every lens has imperfections, some of them are 
pleasing to some, some are displeasing.  It’s kind of like the ginger who hates 
the freckles that you think are so incredibly attractive.

I’ve learned that in low light conditions, the difference of 2/3 stop can make 
a lot more difference than one would guess.  I’ve also learned that with 
(pentax) autofocus, more magnification means more separation between autofocus 
points, and less chance that the camera will focus on the thing that you don’t 
want it to.  The 85/1.4 is also weather sealed, which can make a big difference 
when shooting outdoors.  On the other hand, it’ll probably weigh about the same 
as my 77, 43, 31, and FA50 all put together.  And for that matter, until they 
hit the used market, I’d probably have to sell all of those to have enough 
money to buy a new 85/1.4.

I expect that when things settle that they will both be great lenses, that in 
most cases the optical differences between them won’t matter, but there will be 
cases where one would be better than the other.


* As an aside, it turns out that someone I was having a debate with on facebook 
was involved in the design of the NAD3020, which was the first piece of audio 
gear that I bought, and amazing piece of kit, especially for the price.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:

Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...


Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have 
other underlying conditions.


The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it 
was a very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this 
is now.
Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to 
all sorts of fringing.
Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and 
a great deal of three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you 
get it right" says a lot more than the lens delivers.
It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make 
it out to be.


bill

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 7:36 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 26/3/20, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> This is a similar "Object Of Desire" for me ... 
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700917037_bf4e7e8f52_o.jpg
>> 
>> It's at a higher altitude than my pay grade will fly at present. :-\
>> ... Perhaps it's time to sell some stuff. ];-)
> 
> There must be a few of those on the moon……

I doubt it, since this lens was only put into production and released for 
purchase about 9 months ago. I haven't seen any reports of the "Hasselblad 
Space Delivery" program carrying equipment for Moon use this past year, yet. 
Odder, less likely things *are* happening so it remains a future possibility…  

:D

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Steve Cottrell]

On 26/3/20, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is a similar "Object Of Desire" for me ... 
>https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700917037_bf4e7e8f52_o.jpg
>
>It's at a higher altitude than my pay grade will fly at present. :-\
>... Perhaps it's time to sell some stuff. ];-)

There must be a few of those on the moon..

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Looks lovely! Not that I have any use for it, but it's great to see new lenses 
of exceptional quality (presuming). 

This is a similar "Object Of Desire" for me … 
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700917037_bf4e7e8f52_o.jpg

It's at a higher altitude than my pay grade will fly at present. :-\
… Perhaps it's time to sell some stuff. ];-)

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens 
> coming out.
> 
> 
> 
> I think I just wee'd in my pants.






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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[J.C. O'Connell]

Yeah, all they ever learn ia how to cost reduce it  and sell
it for the same price for a bigger profit.
jco

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Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...

Sent  from my phone, which I’m staring at instead of doing actual work.


I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. A must have. My Portrait lens is the smc Pentax 85/1.8. A nice piece but 
of another age.

Paul

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 4:06 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>> Nope. Too close to the 77 in length, when the 77 is already comprehensively 
>> magical.
> 
> I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.
> 
> bill
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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...

Sent  from my phone, which I’m staring at instead of doing actual work.

> I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.
> 
> bill
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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 6:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
  



Hey, that's spelled with a capital M.

M

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Mark Roberts]

Larry Colen wrote:

>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>> On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:
 
 On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
>> copy before it's released.
> There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.
 
 I like Messiah if it isn't taken.
>>> Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.
>> 
>> And here I am!!
>> 
>> M.
>
>You put the “hot mess” in Messiah.

He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
 
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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 4:48 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
copy before it's released.

There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.


I like Messiah if it isn't taken.

Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.


And here I am!!

M.


You put the “hot mess” in Messiah.


Be nice.

M...

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 3:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.





I’m very interested in this.  I’d love to have something longer and faster than 
my 77, but it’s hard to imagine it having a better flavor of pixie dust.

I also have a hunch that it’ll be close in size/weight to my 15-30.

Unfortunately, I don’t see one landing in my camera bag in the near future.



Here's the official announcement:
http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info2/2020/20200324_028718.html

Size wise, ~95mm x 123.5mm, and probably somewhere in the 1.1-1.2 kg range.

There is going to be a lot of glass in that one.

M

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
 On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
> I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
> copy before it's released.
 There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.
>>> 
>>> I like Messiah if it isn't taken.
>> Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.
> 
> And here I am!!
> 
> M.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
copy before it's released.

There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.


I like Messiah if it isn't taken.


Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.


And here I am!!

M.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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On 3/25/2020 4:06 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
Nope. Too close to the 77 in length, when the 77 is already 
comprehensively magical.


I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.

bill


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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
>>> copy before it's released.
>> There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.
> 
> I like Messiah if it isn't taken.

Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.


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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
copy before it's released.


There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.



I like Messiah if it isn't taken.

bill

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Doug Brewer]

Nope. Too close to the 77 in length, when the 77 is already 
comprehensively magical.


On 3/25/20 8:43 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.



I think I just wee'd in my pants.






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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens 
> coming out.
> 
> 
> 

I’m very interested in this.  I’d love to have something longer and faster than 
my 77, but it’s hard to imagine it having a better flavor of pixie dust.  

I also have a hunch that it’ll be close in size/weight to my 15-30.  

Unfortunately, I don’t see one landing in my camera bag in the near future.  


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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my 
>copy before it's released.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 6:43 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.



I think I just wee'd in my pants.




I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my 
copy before it's released.


bill

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/3/20, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Oo ... Cotty's gonna' have to buy a new hacksaw.

Nh - no APERTURE RING !!!

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[John]

Oo ... Cotty's gonna' have to buy a new hacksaw.

On 3/25/2020 08:43:43, Steve Cottrell wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.



I think I just wee'd in my pants.







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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bob Pdml]

Wow. 

The lens, I mean, not the wee. We know you do that at your age. And dribble a 
bit.



> On 25 Mar 2020, at 12:44, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens 
> coming out.
> 
> 
> 
> I think I just wee'd in my pants.
> 
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> 
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> Cheers,
>  Cotty
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