Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-29 Thread Henk Terhell
Probably the new Pentax APS-C will be some sort of limited edition 
flagship with improved viewfinder and grip, but lacking  features as 
flippy screen and GPS.

Doesn't look to be a workhorse for nature photography as the K-1.

Henk


Op 2020-09-29 om 14:58 schreef Bill:

On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 11:36 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:


Thanks, everyone!  I’m so out of touch with Pentax gear; it’s
embarrassing.  I was also stunned to hear about Canon and Nikon’s shift to
mirrorless cameras.  I hope to give all my gear a workout for the next
couple of weeks.  I have a few photo-homework-assignments in mind with the
hope of getting my photog-eye back into shape.


Canon and Nikon are playing a desperate game trying to stay relevant. I
fully expect Canon to go full mirrorless within a few years and drop the EF
mount in much the same fashion that they dropped the FD mount.
Nikon may or may not go full mirrorless, though I do expect they will
continue to support the F mount.
Ricoh has signaled that they are going to stick with SLR cameras, their
soon to be seen APS-C flagship is apparently going to have a 1.05%
viewfinder, which will be a great improvement over their present ones that
are somewhere around 90%, IIRC.
Pentax has the benefit of being very small, not a bad thing these days.

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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-29 Thread Bill
On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 11:36 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:

> Thanks, everyone!  I’m so out of touch with Pentax gear; it’s
> embarrassing.  I was also stunned to hear about Canon and Nikon’s shift to
> mirrorless cameras.  I hope to give all my gear a workout for the next
> couple of weeks.  I have a few photo-homework-assignments in mind with the
> hope of getting my photog-eye back into shape.
>

Canon and Nikon are playing a desperate game trying to stay relevant. I
fully expect Canon to go full mirrorless within a few years and drop the EF
mount in much the same fashion that they dropped the FD mount.
Nikon may or may not go full mirrorless, though I do expect they will
continue to support the F mount.
Ricoh has signaled that they are going to stick with SLR cameras, their
soon to be seen APS-C flagship is apparently going to have a 1.05%
viewfinder, which will be a great improvement over their present ones that
are somewhere around 90%, IIRC.
Pentax has the benefit of being very small, not a bad thing these days.

bill
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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread Christine Aguila
Thanks, everyone!  I’m so out of touch with Pentax gear; it’s embarrassing.  I 
was also stunned to hear about Canon and Nikon’s shift to mirrorless cameras.  
I hope to give all my gear a workout for the next couple of weeks.  I have a 
few photo-homework-assignments in mind with the hope of getting my photog-eye 
back into shape.

Cheers, Christine 

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> 
>> Hi all!
>> Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
>> If so, thoughts?
>> Cheers, Christine
>> 
>> 
> I've got one. I second everything Toine said, including getting extra 
> batteries.
> 
> I use mine with the DA 15mm, 21mm and 40mm lenses and love it. It's my 
> lockdown walkabout camera.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Pete Mac in Melbourne
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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread Pete McIntosh

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Hi all!
Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
If so, thoughts?
Cheers, Christine


I've got one. I second everything Toine said, including getting extra 
batteries.


I use mine with the DA 15mm, 21mm and 40mm lenses and love it. It's my 
lockdown walkabout camera.


Ciao,

Pete Mac in Melbourne



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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread Bruce Walker
We who pay for stuff with the Candian Peso don't have the luxury of
forgetting that exchange rate thing. Grrr.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:37 PM  wrote:
>
> Oops,  forgot about that 35% exchange rate thing
>
> On September 28, 2020 10:11:39 AM PDT, Bill  
> wrote:
> >On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 10:06 a.m. ,  wrote:
> >
> >> Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?
> >
> >
> >In my world, the price drops on camera bodies that are a couple of
> >years
> >old. Thats why people on forums often say they will wait for the price
> >to
> >come down prior to buying.
> >I'm not sure if that happens in your world or not.
> >Expect the next Pentax full frame to be closer to $3k at release.
> >Right now, the K1 mkII body is right in the $2.5k range. That's Can$,
> >not
> >FSA$, BTW.
> >
> >bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen, 
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
> >> >the
> >> >> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
> >> >expect it
> >> >> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around
> >$2.5k.
> >> >>
> >> >> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
> >> >Nikon
> >> >gets to charge for their cameras.
> >> >That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put
> >them
> >> >into the loving embrace of Hoya.
> >> >Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
> >> >
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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread lrc
Oops,  forgot about that 35% exchange rate thing

On September 28, 2020 10:11:39 AM PDT, Bill  wrote:
>On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 10:06 a.m. ,  wrote:
>
>> Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?
>
>
>In my world, the price drops on camera bodies that are a couple of
>years
>old. Thats why people on forums often say they will wait for the price
>to
>come down prior to buying.
>I'm not sure if that happens in your world or not.
>Expect the next Pentax full frame to be closer to $3k at release.
>Right now, the K1 mkII body is right in the $2.5k range. That's Can$,
>not
>FSA$, BTW.
>
>bill
>
>
>
>
>> On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill
>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen, 
>wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
>> >wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
>> >the
>> >> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
>> >expect it
>> >> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around
>$2.5k.
>> >>
>> >> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
>> >Nikon
>> >gets to charge for their cameras.
>> >That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put
>them
>> >into the loving embrace of Hoya.
>> >Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
>> >
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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread Bill
On Mon., Sep. 28, 2020, 10:06 a.m. ,  wrote:

> Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?


In my world, the price drops on camera bodies that are a couple of years
old. Thats why people on forums often say they will wait for the price to
come down prior to buying.
I'm not sure if that happens in your world or not.
Expect the next Pentax full frame to be closer to $3k at release.
Right now, the K1 mkII body is right in the $2.5k range. That's Can$, not
FSA$, BTW.

bill




> On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill 
> wrote:
> >On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
> >the
> >> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
> >expect it
> >> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
> >>
> >> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
> >Nikon
> >gets to charge for their cameras.
> >That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put them
> >into the loving embrace of Hoya.
> >Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread Henk Terhell

In my opinion probably not more expensive than the XT-4 which is $1.6k.

Henk

Op 2020-09-28 om 04:06 schreef Bill:

On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 5:56 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:


Hi all!
Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
If so, thoughts?
Cheers, Christine


Pentax Forums has a section devoted to that body. It seems to be well
enough liked.
Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.

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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread lrc
Nikon charged more for their aps than they do for their full frame?

On September 28, 2020 5:56:26 AM PDT, Bill  wrote:
>On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill 
>wrote:
>> >
>> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over
>the
>> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I
>expect it
>> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
>>
>> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>>
>
>Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what
>Nikon
>gets to charge for their cameras.
>That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put them
>into the loving embrace of Hoya.
>Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.
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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-28 Thread Bill
On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 8:44 p.m. Larry Colen,  wrote:

>
>
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
> >
> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
>
> That would certainly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
>

Yeah, we all think Pentax should offer more features for 70% of what Nikon
gets to charge for their cameras.
That was the winning strategy that cost them their company and put them
into the loving embrace of Hoya.
Ricoh doesn't seem interested in that sort of winning.

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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-27 Thread Toine
Yes I do. I like every bit of it.
The user interface is a bit complicated. The basics are the same old Pentax
style. Battery life is ok, I got a few Ansmann replacements from amazon for
15 euro and they are the same as the original. Problem solved.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2020, 04:44 Larry Colen,  wrote:

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>
> > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
> >
> > Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
> > horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
> > will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.
>
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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-27 Thread Larry Colen



> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
> horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
> will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.

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Re: Pentax KP

2020-09-27 Thread Bill
On Sun., Sep. 27, 2020, 5:56 p.m. Christine Aguila, 
wrote:

> Hi all!
> Anyone shooting with the Pentax KP?
> If so, thoughts?
> Cheers, Christine
>

Pentax Forums has a section devoted to that body. It seems to be well
enough liked.
Also, it looks like a new flagship level APS-C body is just over the
horizon.  From the looks of the way Ricoh is pricing stuff, I expect it
will be priced well north of $2k, I expect somewhere around $2.5k.

bill

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Re: Pentax KP Video

2020-02-01 Thread John

six of one, half dozen of the other.

On 2/1/2020 06:20:23, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 1/2/20, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:


wonders


'wanders' should be!




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Re: Pentax KP Video

2020-02-01 Thread Alan C

Both actually!

Alan C

On 01-Feb-20 01:20 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 1/2/20, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:


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Re: Pentax KP Video

2020-02-01 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 1/2/20, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>wonders

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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3 (long).

2017-01-26 Thread Patrick Nelson

Hi

I do believe I need to clarify something first. I born without thumbs 
and this does influence how I look at and use things. I bought my first 
SLR - a ME Super because it was the smallest SLR at the time and worked 
best for me. The 2 button interface which many don't like I actually 
prefer. Reading this post and thinking back at some other posts I have 
seen I do feel I have to comment.


Last year I was looking at getting a new camera to upgrade from the K10 
I had been using for 9-10 years. All the posts on the list about how 
much better low light performance is on the newer camera's finally 
penetrated. Here in South Africa we can't walk into a shop and look at 
Pentax camera's so I got hold of the distributor and got the KS-2 and K3 
sent to a shop for me to look at. I did not even look at the K3 as the 
KS-2 fitted in my hands so well. I just feel I have to ask if we are not 
tending to knock camera design changes without actually trying them.


Patrick


On 2017/01/26 08:53 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I don't think that the style of the Df influenced the style of the KP 
as much as the questions of how do we make the camera appear smaller, 
(ah shave of a couple of mm from the right top plate, and the grip.


Hum, well now where do we put that pesky front wheel?  Ah vertically 
on the front panel the new replaceable grips will protect it.


Now we have to have some kind of unifying element.  This is a break 
with the past, we're going to use the new three wheel metaphor from 
the K-1 so make the prism/flash look like that.


Maybe later someone said hey that looks like a Nikon.  But I doubt 
they started out to do that.  They just wanted it to look small. 
That's what marketing wanted, that's what marketing got.


Having used the K-5 I think that it was an engineering/photographer 
centered design.  It was as small as it could be while being as big as 
it had to be.  The same seems to be true of the K-3.


After that the marketers took over design and the K-S1 was the result.

The new current result is the KP.  Not as garish as the K-S1 but I see 
the same heavy handed design team somewhat chastened, but still there.


Pentax said they learned their lesson with the endless *ist-D 
variations that didn't improve anything just made cheaper cameras 
using older technology.  DS, DL, DS2, DL2, all cut out with the same 
cookie cutter.


For a time the engineers took over and the results were an amazing 
advancement in technology for Pentax.  Right up to the K-7.  Then Hoya 
took over and the K-5 which was probably the last real Pentax design, 
was cheapened and sold for the highest profits possible. Under Ricoh 
the K-5II/s fulfilled the promise of the K-5.


But really still good solid usable cameras.  What a photographer 
want's.  Substance over style mostly.


The K-3 was a fantastic camera it impressed even Nikon fanboys, and 
you don't get much more rabid than that, it brought back the fn Key to 
explicitly change the behavior of the multi function pad, but it also 
made a few design decisions that were pretty meaningless such as the 
switch that used to control metering pattern become a switch to 
control the center locking button on the mode dial.


Ricoh cares about quality but they also care more about marketing and 
in the current era their marketers are just as clueless as Pentax's 
were.  The K-S1 was obviously marketer driven, and it was a failure.  
Only a few of it's features, the less harmful and ridiculous ones, 
were carried over to the K-S2 and the merger of the K-S line into the 
more or less mainstream Pentax cameras line, we're going to see those 
influences continue and not for the better, I'm afraid.


I think the K-1 is the last Pentax engineering design.  Designed and 
built mostly by engineers who are also photographers.


Tue less said about Pentax's previous forays into Mirrorless the 
better it seems, even Ricoh want's to shove them down the memory hole.


On 1/26/2017 12:59 PM, John wrote:

I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on 

Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3 (long).

2017-01-26 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't think that the style of the Df influenced the style of the KP as 
much as the questions of how do we make the camera appear smaller, (ah 
shave of a couple of mm from the right top plate, and the grip.


Hum, well now where do we put that pesky front wheel?  Ah vertically on 
the front panel the new replaceable grips will protect it.


Now we have to have some kind of unifying element.  This is a break with 
the past, we're going to use the new three wheel metaphor from the K-1 
so make the prism/flash look like that.


Maybe later someone said hey that looks like a Nikon.  But I doubt they 
started out to do that.  They just wanted it to look small.  That's what 
marketing wanted, that's what marketing got.


Having used the K-5 I think that it was an engineering/photographer 
centered design.  It was as small as it could be while being as big as 
it had to be.  The same seems to be true of the K-3.


After that the marketers took over design and the K-S1 was the result.

The new current result is the KP.  Not as garish as the K-S1 but I see 
the same heavy handed design team somewhat chastened, but still there.


Pentax said they learned their lesson with the endless *ist-D variations 
that didn't improve anything just made cheaper cameras using older 
technology.  DS, DL, DS2, DL2, all cut out with the same cookie cutter.


For a time the engineers took over and the results were an amazing 
advancement in technology for Pentax.  Right up to the K-7.  Then Hoya 
took over and the K-5 which was probably the last real Pentax design, 
was cheapened and sold for the highest profits possible.  Under Ricoh 
the K-5II/s fulfilled the promise of the K-5.


But really still good solid usable cameras.  What a photographer 
want's.  Substance over style mostly.


The K-3 was a fantastic camera it impressed even Nikon fanboys, and you 
don't get much more rabid than that, it brought back the fn Key to 
explicitly change the behavior of the multi function pad, but it also 
made a few design decisions that were pretty meaningless such as the 
switch that used to control metering pattern become a switch to control 
the center locking button on the mode dial.


Ricoh cares about quality but they also care more about marketing and in 
the current era their marketers are just as clueless as Pentax's were.  
The K-S1 was obviously marketer driven, and it was a failure.  Only a 
few of it's features, the less harmful and ridiculous ones, were carried 
over to the K-S2 and the merger of the K-S line into the more or less 
mainstream Pentax cameras line, we're going to see those influences 
continue and not for the better, I'm afraid.


I think the K-1 is the last Pentax engineering design.  Designed and 
built mostly by engineers who are also photographers.


Tue less said about Pentax's previous forays into Mirrorless the better 
it seems, even Ricoh want's to shove them down the memory hole.


On 1/26/2017 12:59 PM, John wrote:

I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

2017-01-26 Thread John

I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

2017-01-26 Thread P. J. Alling
Looking at the top plates of both cameras dispels all illusions. The 
Pentax isn't a retro design aping an old film camera, it's a digital 
camera with one design touch from the film era.   The Nikon is a serial 
killer wearing the skin suit of a victim...


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"




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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

2017-01-26 Thread P. J. Alling
I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the 
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on 
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the 
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.



On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"




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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

2017-01-26 Thread John

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

Comment on DPReview, "Looks like a mini-Pentax 67 (LOL)"

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Collin B
I like the principle of 3 alternative grips.
Why? Because feel & fit is how I've recommended cameras to many people. 
That is, hold it and see how it works in your hand.

I'm a little confused about the Fx1, Fx2, Fx3.
Or am I too out of touch with the new tech for those and the C1, C2, C3,
Ch/Cl
That delete button alternative function looks like a (video mode) crop,
panorama, or compress maybe?

It's definitely on the hobby/enthusiast side.
That would explain the simpler/lighter-duty screen articulation.

The front knob angle seems immaterial. Might be an individual preference
thing.
It does remind me of the Nikon Df.

But it seems to represent, as noted, a style uniformity move as it borrows
from the K1.
I'd anticipate seeing more of this in the next few models.


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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 24 Jan 2017, at 12:41, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>> 
>> http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html
> 
> That is one butt-ugly camera.
> 
> Why am I thinking Kenny's Peanuts?

I like it. Nice big knobs. Knobby Pentax.

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Zos Xavius
This is a nice looking midrange camera. It isn't the k-3 replacement.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>> Certainly has enough, probably customizable dials.
>
> check, see the setting U1, u2 ...
>>
>>
>> I don't care that some people think the top LCD has outlived it's
>> usefulness, I use it all the time.
>
>
> Likewise, I hate using the back screen to check my settings.
>>
>>
>> I think the placement of the shutter button especially with the addition
>> of optional deep hand grip is a step backward, so is the optional deep
>> hand grip, which limits the battery capacity, the body is still thick
>> pushing the mirror box way out front, might as well have a comfortable
>> integrated grip for the larger battery capacity.
>>
>> I never noticed it at the time, probably because I was used to it, but
>> with the full grip hand grip the LX shutter button is awkward compared
>> to the placement of the shutter button on the K-5.
>>
>> The battery looks like the same battery used in the K-50 so a step back
>> in power, making the optional battery grip much less of an option.
>
>
> D-li 109, same as in a whole bunch of cameras, since IIRC the K-r.  At least
> they aren't coming up with a new battery standard.  This camera seems to be
> optimized for small size.
>>
>>
>> The front dial placement seems to be a awkward as well.
>
>
> I think so too, especially if you'll be switching back and forth.
>>
>>
>> I expect that it will have some fantastic specifications seriously
>> nobbled by the power requirements of a too small power cell.
>
>
> It just means that you'll only get a few hundred frames per charge.
>>
>>
>> I wonder if I can get a good deal on a used K-3, though it doesn't look
>> like it. K-3s seem to be cold dead hands cameras.
>
>
> I'm sure you can.  A lot of people with K-3s moved, or are moving to, K-1s.
>
> I wonder what the
>
>  v
> ---
>  ^
> button on the upper left is.
>
> It has no GPS and no wifi, but it does have a flash.
>
> The WR lens implies that it is weather sealed.
>
> It seems as if they are abandoning the high end APS market and are going for
> a really nice low end APS DSLR.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On 1/24/2017 5:47 AM, Brian Walters wrote:
>>>
>>> These seem realistic. Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>>>
>>> http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ++
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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread John
The articulated screen on the K-1 is better. That looks to be a step 
backward.


On 1/24/2017 7:25 AM, Jaume Lahuerta wrote:

For a DSLR I much prefer this kind of tiltable LCD than the K-70 'videocamera 
style' one.
Forget about selfies, though



El Martes 24 de enero de 2017 11:48, Brian Walters  
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These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


Cheers

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Larry Colen



P. J. Alling wrote:

Certainly has enough, probably customizable dials.

check, see the setting U1, u2 ...


I don't care that some people think the top LCD has outlived it's
usefulness, I use it all the time.


Likewise, I hate using the back screen to check my settings.


I think the placement of the shutter button especially with the addition
of optional deep hand grip is a step backward, so is the optional deep
hand grip, which limits the battery capacity, the body is still thick
pushing the mirror box way out front, might as well have a comfortable
integrated grip for the larger battery capacity.

I never noticed it at the time, probably because I was used to it, but
with the full grip hand grip the LX shutter button is awkward compared
to the placement of the shutter button on the K-5.

The battery looks like the same battery used in the K-50 so a step back
in power, making the optional battery grip much less of an option.


D-li 109, same as in a whole bunch of cameras, since IIRC the K-r.  At 
least they aren't coming up with a new battery standard.  This camera 
seems to be optimized for small size.


The front dial placement seems to be a awkward as well.


I think so too, especially if you'll be switching back and forth.


I expect that it will have some fantastic specifications seriously
nobbled by the power requirements of a too small power cell.


It just means that you'll only get a few hundred frames per charge.


I wonder if I can get a good deal on a used K-3, though it doesn't look
like it. K-3s seem to be cold dead hands cameras.


I'm sure you can.  A lot of people with K-3s moved, or are moving to, K-1s.

I wonder what the

 v
---
 ^
button on the upper left is.

It has no GPS and no wifi, but it does have a flash.

The WR lens implies that it is weather sealed.

It seems as if they are abandoning the high end APS market and are going 
for a really nice low end APS DSLR.






On 1/24/2017 5:47 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

These seem realistic. Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


Cheers
Brian

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling
It follows the K-3 system, where the focus modes are set by pressing the 
button above the AF/MF Switch.  Whether the mode is changed by pressing 
the button and twiddling a dial or just repeated pressing I don't know, 
I shot a K-5II and, (ever more), occasionally a K20D.



On 1/24/2017 10:18 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


What's interesting and a bit strange is the loss of AF-C mode, - at 
least from the focus mode switch. (It might be hidden in the menues, - 
but based on the shift toward "analog" controls, it is less likely; 
maybe it is again just in one of the modes, as it was in the "sports" 
mode in one of the earlier Pentax DSLRs, IIRC.


Igor



Brian Walters Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:49:03 -0800 wrote:

These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html



Cheers

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Igor PDML-StR


What's interesting and a bit strange is the loss of AF-C mode, - at least 
from the focus mode switch. (It might be hidden in the menues, - but based 
on the shift toward "analog" controls, it is less likely; maybe it is 
again just in one of the modes, as it was in the "sports" mode in one of 
the earlier Pentax DSLRs, IIRC.


Igor



Brian Walters Tue, 24 Jan 2017 02:49:03 -0800 wrote:

These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html



Cheers

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 24/1/17, Eric Weir, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Some things I like: analog controls, tilting lcd screen. But I agree.
>Gimme Fuji.

Haha but we're not supposed to actually consider these ahem photographic
tools as objet d'art now are we!! Unless of course it's a Leica ;-)

(Or an Oly Pen F ;-

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread P. J. Alling

Certainly has enough, probably customizable dials.

I don't care that some people think the top LCD has outlived it's 
usefulness, I use it all the time.


I think the placement of the shutter button especially with the addition 
of optional deep hand grip is a step backward, so is the optional deep 
hand grip, which limits the battery capacity, the body is still thick 
pushing the mirror box way out front, might as well have a comfortable 
integrated grip for the larger battery capacity.


I never noticed it at the time, probably because I was used to it, but 
with the full grip hand grip the LX shutter button is awkward compared 
to the placement of the shutter button on the K-5.


The battery looks like the same battery used in the K-50 so a step back 
in power, making the optional battery grip much less of an option.


The front dial placement seems to be a awkward as well.

I expect that it will have some fantastic specifications seriously 
nobbled by the power requirements of a too small power cell.


I wonder if I can get a good deal on a used K-3, though it doesn't look 
like it.  K-3s seem to be cold dead hands cameras.



On 1/24/2017 5:47 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


Cheers
  
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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 24/1/17, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>> 
>> http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html
> 
> That is one butt-ugly camera.

Some things I like: analog controls, tilting lcd screen. But I agree. Gimme 
Fuji.

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Mark Roberts
Brian Walters wrote:

>These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>
>http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html

So it's an APS-C camera with a K-1 control layout. Good idea. 
 
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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 24/1/17, Jaume Lahuerta, discombobulated, unleashed:

>These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:
>
>http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html

That is one butt-ugly camera.

Why am I thinking Kenny's Peanuts?

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Re: Pentax KP Pictures

2017-01-24 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
For a DSLR I much prefer this kind of tiltable LCD than the K-70 'videocamera 
style' one.
Forget about selfies, though



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These seem realistic.  Certainly a 'bold' looking design:

http://www.nokishita-camera.com/2017/01/pentax-kp_24.html


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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 06:51 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
> There are a lot of rumors swirling they will introduce a mirrorless
> system with a new mount this year. Don't give up hope just yet.


I haven't given up hope but, like those who moved on to other brands
because the Pentax full frame took so long to develop, I've invested in
m43 because of Pentax/Ricoh not getting serious about mirrorless.  That
wont necessarily stop me buying a Pentax mirrorless if a competitive one
turns up, but it's just taking so bloody long.  The K-01 and Q came out
over 4 years ago so it's not as if they don't know how to build one.



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> 
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
> > DSLR?  I was hoping mirrorless.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 02:07 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
> >> A new DSLR cometh!
> >>
> >> http://photorumors.com/2017/01/13/new-pentax-kp-dslr-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-next-month-at-the-cp-show/
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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Paul Stenquist
Most "classic" Pentax lens optics show serious fringing on DSLRs. The new 
lenses are far better. Some primes would be fun, but zoom technology has 
advanced to the point where developing primes is somewhat impractical. I 
suspect that the D FA 150-450 is superior to any 300 or 400 mm prime Pentax 
ever made, and I wouldn't be surprised to find that the D FA 15-30 is better 
than any of the old Pentax wide primes.

Paul via phone

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Stanley Halpin  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
>> 
>> There are a lot of rumors swirling they will introduce a mirrorless
>> system with a new mount this year. Don't give up hope just yet.
> 
> I wonder if there will be a K-mount adapter? With aperture simulator…
> (I don’t really care except in terms of I would like to see the brand 
> maintain a degree of viability and I continue to hold out hope that sooner or 
> later they will release modern AW versions of some classic “full frame” 35mm 
> capable prime lenses with updated coatings etc…)
> 
> stan
> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Brian Walters  
>>> wrote:
>>> DSLR?  I was hoping mirrorless.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
 On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 02:07 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 A new DSLR cometh!
 
 http://photorumors.com/2017/01/13/new-pentax-kp-dslr-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-next-month-at-the-cp-show/
 
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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Stanley Halpin

> On Jan 13, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> 
> There are a lot of rumors swirling they will introduce a mirrorless
> system with a new mount this year. Don't give up hope just yet.

I wonder if there will be a K-mount adapter? With aperture simulator…
(I don’t really care except in terms of I would like to see the brand maintain 
a degree of viability and I continue to hold out hope that sooner or later they 
will release modern AW versions of some classic “full frame” 35mm capable prime 
lenses with updated coatings etc…)

stan

> 
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
>> DSLR?  I was hoping mirrorless.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 02:07 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>> A new DSLR cometh!
>>> 
>>> http://photorumors.com/2017/01/13/new-pentax-kp-dslr-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-next-month-at-the-cp-show/
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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Zos Xavius
There are a lot of rumors swirling they will introduce a mirrorless
system with a new mount this year. Don't give up hope just yet.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> DSLR?  I was hoping mirrorless.
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017, at 02:07 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>> A new DSLR cometh!
>>
>> http://photorumors.com/2017/01/13/new-pentax-kp-dslr-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-next-month-at-the-cp-show/
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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Brian Walters
DSLR?  I was hoping mirrorless.

Cheers

Brian

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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Collin B
I said "if" for a reason.

>> If Pentax can be the one to get WiFi (&  maybe Bluetooth) done right,
what a coup!

> Are you kidding. The wifi in my K-1 is, as far as I can tell, completely
useless.  
> I actually forgot that it was there.  They can't even do USB right, they
downgraded 
> the USB form USB3 to USB2 in the body.


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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Zos Xavius
That's because the k-1 was in development for far longer than the k-3.
To be perfectly honest the k-3's USB speed is hardly much faster than
USB2 anyways.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
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> Collin B wrote:
>>
>> If Pentax can be the one to get WiFi (&  maybe Bluetooth) done right, what
>> a
>> coup!
>
>
> Are you kidding. The wifi in my K-1 is, as far as I can tell, completely
> useless.  I actually forgot that it was there.  They can't even do USB
> right, they downgraded the USB form USB3 to USB2 in the body.
>
>
>>
>> Let's have 802.11ac speed&  multi-point Bluetooth.
>> Add to this a wifi/bt ssd in your pocket to receive the images from the
>> camera.
>> And a nice dashboard tether.
>> And ... why not just add another processor for handling I/O, along with
>> another battery for its consumption.
>>
>> I offered my design/development services a few years ago but never heard
>> back ...
>> Just dreamin'
>>
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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Larry Colen



Collin B wrote:

If Pentax can be the one to get WiFi (&  maybe Bluetooth) done right, what a
coup!


Are you kidding. The wifi in my K-1 is, as far as I can tell, completely 
useless.  I actually forgot that it was there.  They can't even do USB 
right, they downgraded the USB form USB3 to USB2 in the body.





Let's have 802.11ac speed&  multi-point Bluetooth.
Add to this a wifi/bt ssd in your pocket to receive the images from the
camera.
And a nice dashboard tether.
And ... why not just add another processor for handling I/O, along with
another battery for its consumption.

I offered my design/development services a few years ago but never heard
back ...
Just dreamin'





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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread Collin B
If Pentax can be the one to get WiFi (& maybe Bluetooth) done right, what a
coup!

Let's have 802.11ac speed & multi-point Bluetooth. 
Add to this a wifi/bt ssd in your pocket to receive the images from the
camera.
And a nice dashboard tether.
And ... why not just add another processor for handling I/O, along with
another battery for its consumption.

I offered my design/development services a few years ago but never heard
back ...
Just dreamin'



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Re: Pentax KP??

2017-01-13 Thread P. J. Alling
Interesting, Pentax, (well Ricoh I guess), has so made such a hash of 
it's naming convention that I can't even guess if it's a successor to 
the K-7/5/3 line or a successor to the K-30/50/70 or something out of 
left field like the K-S1.  I say that they've done this to build buzz 
and keep us guessing but I don't think Pentax plans that far ahead.



On 1/13/2017 10:07 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

A new DSLR cometh!

http://photorumors.com/2017/01/13/new-pentax-kp-dslr-camera-rumored-to-be-announced-next-month-at-the-cp-show/




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