Re: Threading?

2018-08-16 Thread Jostein Øksne
You are absolutely correct, and I am guilty of a major brainfart.
I confused you with JCO.
Jostein

Den 16. august 2018 00.32.53 CEST, skrev jtainter :
>Hmmm. I don't recall having such a habit.
>
>I've noticed for some time that unrelated posts or even threads will
>suddenly pop up within a specific thread. I assume this is cuased by
>some glitch in the software.
>
>Joe
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Jostein 
>>Sent: Aug 15, 2018 11:07 AM
>>To: pdml@pdml.net
>>Cc: jtain...@mindspring.com
>>Subject: Re: Threading?
>>
>>It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off.
>>I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new 
>>threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion.
>:-)
>>
>>Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email 
>>metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from
>the 
>>rest of the tread.
>>
>>Jostein
>>
>>
>>Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms:
>>> Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just
>me?
>>> 
>>> Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely
>different 
>>> topics.
>>> 
>>> 

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Re: Threading?

2018-08-15 Thread John
Back when I used to get PDML using the digests I was told it broke threading. 
But I don't think it arbitrarily inserted my replies into unrelated threads.


On 8/15/2018 18:32, jtainter wrote:

Hmmm. I don't recall having such a habit.

I've noticed for some time that unrelated posts or even threads will suddenly 
pop up within a specific thread. I assume this is cuased by some glitch in the 
software.

Joe


-Original Message-

From: Jostein 
Sent: Aug 15, 2018 11:07 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Cc: jtain...@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: Threading?

It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off.
I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new
threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion. :-)

Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email
metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from the
rest of the tread.

Jostein


Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms:

Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me?

Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different
topics.







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Re: Threading?

2018-08-15 Thread jtainter
Hmmm. I don't recall having such a habit.

I've noticed for some time that unrelated posts or even threads will suddenly 
pop up within a specific thread. I assume this is cuased by some glitch in the 
software.

Joe


-Original Message-
>From: Jostein 
>Sent: Aug 15, 2018 11:07 AM
>To: pdml@pdml.net
>Cc: jtain...@mindspring.com
>Subject: Re: Threading?
>
>It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off.
>I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new 
>threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion. :-)
>
>Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email 
>metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from the 
>rest of the tread.
>
>Jostein
>
>
>Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms:
>> Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me?
>> 
>> Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different 
>> topics.
>> 
>> 

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Re: Threading?

2018-08-15 Thread Jostein

It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off.
I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new 
threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion. :-)


Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email 
metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from the 
rest of the tread.


Jostein


Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms:

Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me?

Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different 
topics.





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Re: Threading?

2018-08-12 Thread Dale H. Cook
At 09:32 PM 8/11/2018, Subash Jeyan wrote:

>... probably because he starts a new thread by replying to an existing thread 
>and changing the subject, which i'll admit is as much a valid way of starting 
>new threads as any other ...

It is not a valid way of starting new threads because the message with the 
changed subject and all replies to it remain part of the original thread.

Email headers contain a variety of information, and changing the subject field 
does not change the references field upon which threading and archiving depend. 
The only way to start a new thread is to write an entirely new message with the 
new subject (unless one is an IT geek who fully understands headers and how to 
edit them to fool the mailing list software, and even for an IT geek it is 
easier to just create a new message). As far as the email software is concerned 
changing the subject affects nothing because the software does not parse the 
subject field to determine threading, it parses the references field to 
determine threading.

Dale H. Cook, many years as 35mm SLR photographer,
now Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm walking-
around lens or SMC Pentax-A 50mm/f2 lens 


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Re: Threading?

2018-08-11 Thread John Sessoms

On 8/11/2018 21:32, Subash Jeyan wrote:

i did. mostly new threads started by one particular member messes up the
threading, probably because he starts a new thread by replying to an
existing thread and changing the subject, which i'll admit is as much a
valid way of starting new threads as any other. but it breaks the
thread in mail clients such as mine which sort threads by subject.

btw, i get none of your mails; they always end up in my gmail spam
folder. i do see them when someone replies to your mail though.




It's a known issue between Yahoo & Gmail. Yahoo broke something to do with 
mailing lists. Gmail can't cope.


You can create a filter in Gmail to tell it not to send emails to SPAM.

Create a new contact in Gmail for johnsessoms at yahoo dot com

Then go into Gmail settings and create a filter from the new contact and select 
"Never send it to Spam".


https://www.jotform.com/help/404-How-to-Prevent-Emails-from-Landing-in-Gmail-s-Spam-Folder

I guess someone will have to reply to and quote this message in its entirety 
before Dan & Subash can see it.


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Re: Threading?

2018-08-11 Thread John Sessoms
That's because you use Gmail & I'm having to use Yahoo. There's a known issue 
with Yahoo and Gmail not playing nice.


Mostly Yahoo's fault, but Gmail is not entirely blameless.

On 8/11/2018 17:48, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Postings from John Sessoms appear in my spam folder.

Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:16 PM, mike wilson 
wrote:


I've noticed, in the last day or so, that I don't get original emails from
JS, only replies.  They don't even appear in my spam, as mails from a few
others (including myself...) do regularly.



On 11 August 2018 at 21:07 "Daniel J. Matyola" 

wrote:



I have not noticed that.


Dan Matyola
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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms 

wrote:



Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me?

Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different
topics.


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Re: Threading?

2018-08-11 Thread Subash Jeyan
i did. mostly new threads started by one particular member messes up the
threading, probably because he starts a new thread by replying to an
existing thread and changing the subject, which i'll admit is as much a
valid way of starting new threads as any other. but it breaks the
thread in mail clients such as mine which sort threads by subject.

btw, i get none of your mails; they always end up in my gmail spam
folder. i do see them when someone replies to your mail though.


On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 16:07:22 -0400
"Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:

> I have not noticed that.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms 
> wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just
> > me?
> >
> > Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely
> > different topics.
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Religion - Answers we must never question.

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Re: Threading?

2018-08-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Postings from John Sessoms appear in my spam folder.

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:16 PM, mike wilson 
wrote:

> I've noticed, in the last day or so, that I don't get original emails from
> JS, only replies.  They don't even appear in my spam, as mails from a few
> others (including myself...) do regularly.
>
>
> > On 11 August 2018 at 21:07 "Daniel J. Matyola" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have not noticed that.
> >
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me?
> > >
> > > Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different
> > > topics.
> > >
> > >
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Re: Threading?

2018-08-11 Thread mike wilson
I've noticed, in the last day or so, that I don't get original emails from JS, 
only replies.  They don't even appear in my spam, as mails from a few others 
(including myself...) do regularly.


> On 11 August 2018 at 21:07 "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have not noticed that.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me?
> >
> > Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different
> > topics.
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Re: Threading?

2018-08-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I have not noticed that.


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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

> Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me?
>
> Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different
> topics.
>
>
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