Re: SD Card Question

[Igor PDML-StR]

I just know that I see a very noticeable (if not annoying) delay with 
SanDisk Ultra card (albeit the previous model), while shooting videos.
With that card, I cannot stop recording the video, and start the next 
piece right away: it takes some 20-30 seconds for it to right down the 
buffer. This doesn't happen with the Samsung Pro card (which is rated at 
up-to 80 MB/s for sequential writing.


I did not have a chance to compare performance with shooting long 
series of still shots where the card performance would be important and 
the difference noticeable.


I don't know about Ultra Plus.

HTH,

Igor


 Alan C Tue, 15 May 2018 21:33:13 -0700 wrote:

Thanks, Igor, for that erudite explanation.

I'll try an Ultra Plus. No point in going higher than that.


Alan C



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Re: SD Card Question

[Alan C]

Thanks, Igor, for that erudite explanation.

I'll try an Ultra Plus. No point in going higher than that.

Alan C

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From: Igor PDML-StR

Sent: 16 May, 2018 5:20 AM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: Re: SD Card Question



Alan,

I was looking at this question at some point (I am still using K-5
iiS). Let me share a few thoughts.

First, you should be aware that different categories/lines of SanDisk
cards change their parameters over time. I.e. Extreme today is different
from Extreme 4 years ago. You are probably aware of that, but I thought
I'd mention this just in case.

Second, yes, you've already figured out, K5 can benefit from the speed of
just below 30 Mbps. But, when the card is rated at 30 Mbps, that is only
for the specific type of writing (large blocks, sequential, ...)
For smaller block sizes and some other conditions, - the speed goes down
drastically.
A good tool for checking that is CrystalDiskMark.
Here is an example of its test output (For *some* SanDisk Extreme Pro, -
maybe not the latest, - that doesn't matteR):
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5400/sandisk-extreme-pro-sdhc-and-microsdhc-memory-card-review/index.html
I am referring to this image:
https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/5/4/5400_10_sandisk_extreme_pro_sdhc_and_microsdhc_memory_card_review.jpg

You can see that 512K write speed is only a small portion of the "Seq"
test. (I was expecting about a half, - I suspect something might be wrong
here, but anyway... this is just what I quickly googled as an example.)

My point is that under some conditions, you might even benefit from a card
that is yet faster than 30 Mbps, because of the slower type of operations.

My best card for K-5 iiS is Samsung Pro (SDXC, I, Class 10, U1)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IVPU6BY/
(I believe it is discontinued now.)

While nominally, with the *up-to* 80 Mb/s write speed, it seems like an
overkill, it seems to me that the card a step below sometimes creates a
bottleneck, especially with video recording.

An additional consideration: You can also benefit from the card's speed in
the card reader. If you have a USB-3 card reader (with the proper bus), -
you can copy the files from it much faster.

HTH,

Igor



Alan C Tue, 15 May 2018 11:28:51 -0700 wrote:

Thanks, PJ

That seems to settle it. The K5 bus allows a write speed of 25Mb/s so an
Extreme Plus (30Mb/s) would do better than the Ultra (10Mb/s) which I
have. Only the newer models like the K3 & K1 can take advantage of Extreme
Pro cards.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: P. J. Alling

Sent: 15 May, 2018 7:49 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: SD Card Question

This article seems to indicate a higher bus speed for K3 and a few more
recent aps-c models, but other testing seems to show it closer to my
original reply.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/photo-articles/comprehensive-sd-card-guide.html


On 5/15/2018 9:10 AM, Alan C wrote:

ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but
would the a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable
higher write speed would be quite helpful.


Alan C

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Re: SD Card Question

[Alan C]

Thanks, John


From Ultra Plus upwards it would make no difference. The Ultra is slower.


Alan C

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From: John

Sent: 16 May, 2018 3:47 AM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: SD Card Question

I don't think it makes any difference. Comparing four 32GB cards (new & old
Extreme + Ultra + Extreme Pro) they all seem to have a transfer speed 
greater

than the K5's write speed.

SanDisk Extreme 32GB SDHC UHS-I Card [Old Version]  $18.95 USD
90 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-UHS-I-SDSDXNE-032G-GNCIN-Version/dp/B013CP3KZ6

https://tinyurl.com/y9lmtuxk

SanDisk Extreme 32GB 90 Mb/s SDHC UHS-I Card [Newest Version] $18.45 USD
90 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-SDSDXVE-032G-GNCIN-Newest-Version/dp/B01LORO7Z6/

https://tinyurl.com/y89wsdva

SanDisk 32GB Ultra Class 10 SDHC UHS-I $12.99 USD
80 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Class-Memory-SDSDUNC-032G-GN6IN/dp/B0143RT8OY

https://tinyurl.com/lsdzrz2

SanDisk Extreme PRO 32GB up to 95MB/s UHS-I/U3 SDHC $26.43 USD
95 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-UHS-I-Flash-Memory/dp/B005LFT3QG

https://tinyurl.com/y7stb3ps

Seems to me the K5 would operate at its maximum write speed with any of 
these

cards or am I missing something?


On 5/15/2018 14:27, Alan C wrote:

Thanks, PJ

That seems to settle it. The K5 bus allows a write speed of 25Mb/s so an 
Extreme Plus (30Mb/s) would do better than the Ultra (10Mb/s) which I 
have. Only the newer models like the K3 & K1 can take advantage of Extreme 
Pro cards.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: P. J. Alling
Sent: 15 May, 2018 7:49 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: SD Card Question

This article seems to indicate a higher bus speed for K3 and a few more
recent aps-c models, but other testing seems to show it closer to my
original reply.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/photo-articles/comprehensive-sd-card-guide.html


On 5/15/2018 9:10 AM, Alan C wrote:
ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but would 
the a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable higher 
write speed would be quite helpful.


Alan C

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Re: SD Card Question

[Igor PDML-StR]

Alan,

I was looking at this question at some point (I am still using K-5 
iiS). Let me share a few thoughts.


First, you should be aware that different categories/lines of SanDisk
cards change their parameters over time. I.e. Extreme today is different 
from Extreme 4 years ago. You are probably aware of that, but I thought 
I'd mention this just in case.


Second, yes, you've already figured out, K5 can benefit from the speed of 
just below 30 Mbps. But, when the card is rated at 30 Mbps, that is only 
for the specific type of writing (large blocks, sequential, ...)
For smaller block sizes and some other conditions, - the speed goes down 
drastically.

A good tool for checking that is CrystalDiskMark.
Here is an example of its test output (For *some* SanDisk Extreme Pro, - 
maybe not the latest, - that doesn't matteR):

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5400/sandisk-extreme-pro-sdhc-and-microsdhc-memory-card-review/index.html
I am referring to this image:
https://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/5/4/5400_10_sandisk_extreme_pro_sdhc_and_microsdhc_memory_card_review.jpg

You can see that 512K write speed is only a small portion of the "Seq" 
test. (I was expecting about a half, - I suspect something might be wrong 
here, but anyway... this is just what I quickly googled as an example.)


My point is that under some conditions, you might even benefit from a card 
that is yet faster than 30 Mbps, because of the slower type of operations.


My best card for K-5 iiS is Samsung Pro (SDXC, I, Class 10, U1) 
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IVPU6BY/

(I believe it is discontinued now.)

While nominally, with the *up-to* 80 Mb/s write speed, it seems like an 
overkill, it seems to me that the card a step below sometimes creates a 
bottleneck, especially with video recording.


An additional consideration: You can also benefit from the card's speed in 
the card reader. If you have a USB-3 card reader (with the proper bus), -

you can copy the files from it much faster.

HTH,

Igor



Alan C Tue, 15 May 2018 11:28:51 -0700 wrote:

Thanks, PJ

That seems to settle it. The K5 bus allows a write speed of 25Mb/s so an 
Extreme Plus (30Mb/s) would do better than the Ultra (10Mb/s) which I 
have. Only the newer models like the K3 & K1 can take advantage of Extreme 
Pro cards.



Alan C

-Original Message- From: P. J. Alling

Sent: 15 May, 2018 7:49 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: SD Card Question

This article seems to indicate a higher bus speed for K3 and a few more
recent aps-c models, but other testing seems to show it closer to my
original reply.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/photo-articles/comprehensive-sd-card-guide.html


On 5/15/2018 9:10 AM, Alan C wrote:

ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but 
would the a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?



The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable 
higher write speed would be quite helpful.



Alan C

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Re: SD Card Question

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I don't think it makes any difference. Comparing four 32GB cards (new & old 
Extreme + Ultra + Extreme Pro) they all seem to have a transfer speed greater 
than the K5's write speed.


SanDisk Extreme 32GB SDHC UHS-I Card [Old Version]  $18.95 USD
90 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-UHS-I-SDSDXNE-032G-GNCIN-Version/dp/B013CP3KZ6

https://tinyurl.com/y9lmtuxk

SanDisk Extreme 32GB 90 Mb/s SDHC UHS-I Card [Newest Version] $18.45 USD
90 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-SDSDXVE-032G-GNCIN-Newest-Version/dp/B01LORO7Z6/

https://tinyurl.com/y89wsdva

SanDisk 32GB Ultra Class 10 SDHC UHS-I $12.99 USD
80 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-Class-Memory-SDSDUNC-032G-GN6IN/dp/B0143RT8OY

https://tinyurl.com/lsdzrz2

SanDisk Extreme PRO 32GB up to 95MB/s UHS-I/U3 SDHC $26.43 USD
95 MB/S

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-UHS-I-Flash-Memory/dp/B005LFT3QG

https://tinyurl.com/y7stb3ps

Seems to me the K5 would operate at its maximum write speed with any of these 
cards or am I missing something?



On 5/15/2018 14:27, Alan C wrote:

Thanks, PJ

That seems to settle it. The K5 bus allows a write speed of 25Mb/s so an Extreme 
Plus (30Mb/s) would do better than the Ultra (10Mb/s) which I have. Only the 
newer models like the K3 & K1 can take advantage of Extreme Pro cards.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: P. J. Alling
Sent: 15 May, 2018 7:49 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: SD Card Question

This article seems to indicate a higher bus speed for K3 and a few more
recent aps-c models, but other testing seems to show it closer to my
original reply.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/photo-articles/comprehensive-sd-card-guide.html 




On 5/15/2018 9:10 AM, Alan C wrote:
ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but would the a 
K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable higher 
write speed would be quite helpful.


Alan C

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Re: SD Card Question

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Thanks, PJ

That seems to settle it. The K5 bus allows a write speed of 25Mb/s so an 
Extreme Plus (30Mb/s) would do better than the Ultra (10Mb/s) which I have. 
Only the newer models like the K3 & K1 can take advantage of Extreme Pro 
cards.


Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: P. J. Alling

Sent: 15 May, 2018 7:49 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: SD Card Question

This article seems to indicate a higher bus speed for K3 and a few more
recent aps-c models, but other testing seems to show it closer to my
original reply.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/photo-articles/comprehensive-sd-card-guide.html


On 5/15/2018 9:10 AM, Alan C wrote:
ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but would 
the a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable higher 
write speed would be quite helpful.


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Re: SD Card Question

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This article seems to indicate a higher bus speed for K3 and a few more 
recent aps-c models, but other testing seems to show it closer to my 
original reply.


https://www.pentaxforums.com/articles/photo-articles/comprehensive-sd-card-guide.html


On 5/15/2018 9:10 AM, Alan C wrote:
ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but 
would the a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable 
higher write speed would be quite helpful.


Alan C

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Re: SD Card Question

[P. J. Alling]

No, not really.  None of the current Pentax cameras has a bus speed that 
can take advantage of the fastest UHS-1 cards.  They top out around ~33 
mb/s.



On 5/15/2018 9:10 AM, Alan C wrote:
ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but 
would the a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable 
higher write speed would be quite helpful.


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Re: SD Card Question

[Alan C]

K3 & later have the UHS-1 bus but not the K5 & older, hence my question.

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The Extreme cards are definitely faster in my K-3 and K-1. The buffer clears 
more rapidly than it does with Ultra cards and I get more consecutive shots 
without stalling.


Paul


On May 15, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but would 
the a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable higher 
write speed would be quite helpful.


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Re: SD Card Question

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The Extreme cards are definitely faster in my K-3 and K-1. The buffer clears 
more rapidly than it does with Ultra cards and I get more consecutive shots 
without stalling.

Paul

> On May 15, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but would the 
> a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?
> 
> The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable higher 
> write speed would be quite helpful.
> 
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ScanDisk Extreme SD Cards are rated faster than Ultra SD Cards but would the 
a K5 be able to take advantage of the higher write speed?


The K5 files are considerably larger than the K7 files so a usable higher 
write speed would be quite helpful.


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Re: San Disk SD Card Question

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I have two in CF form. Used with the D200 or D2H, its lighning fast.

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 Hi Shel,
 I believe the Extreme III is the fastest. Adorama currently has them
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 http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl?
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Re: San Disk SD Card Question

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Hi Shel,
I believe the Extreme III is the fastest. Adorama currently has them  
for $74.95 plus a $10 manufacturer rebate. I ordered one last week.
http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl? 
page=searchresultssearchinfo=Extreme%20III%20SD
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Which is the fastest San Disk 2GB SD Card?


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Thanks.  I thought the Extreme III might have been the fastest, but wasn't
sure about the San Disk naming conventions. My sister wants to get me a
little gift and I though an SD card might fit the bill (they're little
LOL)

Shel


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 I believe the Extreme III is the fastest. 

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Re: San Disk SD Card Question

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The Rebate expired on 2/28  was for $20.
I got mine yesterday - ordered it 2/28.

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: San Disk SD Card Question


 Hi Shel,
 I believe the Extreme III is the fastest. Adorama currently has them  
 for $74.95 plus a $10 manufacturer rebate. I ordered one last week.
 http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl? 
 page=searchresultssearchinfo=Extreme%20III%20SD
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Re: San Disk SD Card Question

[Paul Stenquist]

The current rebate expires 3-31, and it's for $10, but some merketers 
have lowered the price as well.
On Mar 4, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Kenneth Waller wrote:

 The Rebate expired on 2/28  was for $20.
 I got mine yesterday - ordered it 2/28.

 Kenneth Waller

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 From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: San Disk SD Card Question


 Hi Shel,
 I believe the Extreme III is the fastest. Adorama currently has them
 for $74.95 plus a $10 manufacturer rebate. I ordered one last week.
 http://www.adorama.com/Search-Results.tpl?
 page=searchresultssearchinfo=Extreme%20III%20SD
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