Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-16 Thread John Collier
I concur with Edwina; I see no reason to call the real here 'god'. I have taken a similar line in my classes for decades when looking at what Aquinas' Five Ways would imply (Aquinas, of course, does not make Peirce's distinction between existence and reality, so his use of 'existence' is misleadi

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-16 Thread Matt Faunce
Thanks Ben. I have limited internet access these days so I didn't check til just now. You're right, time is slower closer to a gravitational source relative to time farther away. So much for that. Matt > On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: > > Matt, as I amateurishly understand

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: determination in semiosis

2014-06-16 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: On Jun 16, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote: > is it ok to interpret Sungs statement as follows? No, at least from my perspective. A central issue of this particular CSP assertion is, from my view, the question of how to deal with the mathematical distinctions between independenc

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-16 Thread Matt Faunce
Jerry, I think my answer is important. I'm working on it. I just need a few days. Matt > On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Jerry LR Chandler > wrote: > > Matt: > > It is a question of the relation between your usage of the term "us" and how > I understood your sentence. > > My comment was based

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-16 Thread Stephen C. Rose
C. S. Peirce said [EP2:258] , "Whenever we set out to do anything we ‘go upon’, we base our conduct on facts already known." He adds that our conduct can only rise from memory when our investigations have been "made and reduced to a memorial maxim.” Although I have operated, along with all manner

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: determination in semiosis

2014-06-16 Thread Helmut Raulien
Supplement: When I wrote "the actual (secondness) reaction", I meant: Secondness is the being-called of the reaction (representamen, firstness, coin) by the memory content (secondness). The reaction "I might have a use for this coin" is already thirdness, interpretation. Dear Sung, Jerry, Lis

Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Fwd: determination in semiosis

2014-06-16 Thread Helmut Raulien
Dear Sung, Jerry, List, is it ok to interpret Sungs statement as follows? "Formally" means "in its role as an object", and "ontologically" means: What it is (as an entity) in possible other contexts. One example: The agreement, that money is a value-exchange medium. "Money is a value-exchange-me

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Unscientific methods of inquiry

2014-06-16 Thread Benjamin Udell
Cathy, list, You wrote, [Cathy quote] I’m not sure that I see that your distinction between (antecedent) prejudice and (current) bias makes much real difference pragmatically, though, given that inquiry is always moving forward into the future. I.e. I don’t see a clear difference bet

[PEIRCE-L] Astrobiology and Theology - Current Thinking

2014-06-16 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: Given the current discussions, many of the readers of this list may find the following announcement of interest. Cheers Jerry http://www.loc.gov/today/pr/2014/14-091.html News from the Library of Congress Press contact: Donna Urschel (202) 707-1639 Public contact: Jason Steinhauer

SV: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-16 Thread Søren Brier
Dear Stephen I hope you are right. But I do not think we have a hundred years. That is also why I think Nicolescu's work is important. Best Søren Fra: Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] Sendt: 16. juni 2014 15:43 Til: Søren Brier Cc: Cather

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-16 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Thanks, Soren, for this outline - very nice. In particular, the brief and succinct account: God is real but does not exists and therefore is not conscious and cannot have a will based on a personhood as it is understood by most Theists. Therefore the whole creationist concept of a conscious pla

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-16 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I am posting the initial aphorisms of Triadic Philosophy in this thread. The fifth follows: You will note the introduction of the phrase "act or expression". As the wonders or Triadic Philosophy unfold, you will see that there are typically two practical means by which we translate consciousness

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-16 Thread Stephen C. Rose
This gets at the significance of Peirce for theology and to the problem facing all religions as the world becomes increasingly oriented to the Peircean perspectives that you mention. It will probably take more than a century for the change to sink in but it will happen simply because it corresponds