Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-18 Thread Howard Pattee
At 12:07 PM 9/17/2014, Frederik wrote: I think it follows from these observations [that MRI scans require mathematics] that it is a preposterous claim to say that mathematics is the study of neurological structures - or that mathematics could, in any way, be reduced to neuropsychology. HP:

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-18 Thread Benjamin Udell
Howard, Frederik, lists, Howard, is your objection is to using the decidedly adjectival real to describe something other than a concrete individual object, this man, this horse? Would you allow an adverb? Then you could say that Earth and Mars are really two planets, and their twoness has

RE: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-18 Thread Gary Fuhrman
Clark, in reference to the Peirce passage you quoted about the “community of quasi-minds”, you said that “While we could obviously and perhaps should discuss this purely as efficient causation, I love how Peirce discusses it instead in terms of signs.” But it’s not at all obvious to me how or

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
From: Charles S. Peirce on Esthetics and Ethics A Bibliography Kelly A. Parker Value theory is the least developed area of Peirce’s philosophy. At the core of Peircean value theory are the studies of esthetics, ethics and logic that he grouped together under the heading of normative sciences.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
Stephen, All, Sorry, on a 1 dot wifi so hard to chase links, but I always thought aesthetics, ethics, logic as normative sciences whose objects are beauty, goodness (arête), truth, respectively, was a classical notion? Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Stephen

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The text is a quote Jon not my own thinking. To me beauty and truth are ultimately one as Keats proposes. Ethics in my triad is a second (index) through which a sign passes on its way to being translated into an expression or action or both. I reverse CP's order and name the third aesthetics.

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Hi Helmut - I am afraid that there is much in your emendation with which I am either at sea (do not grasp) or do not (I think) agree with. The fact that both reactions intermingle makes it hard to respond. A few general remarks: I have great difficulty with categories as being much more than what

[PEIRCE-L] ANNOUNCEMENT: ARISBE AT NEW SERVER

2014-09-18 Thread Benjamin Udell
To all, The Arisbe website has been transferred to a different server at Indianapolis University. 1) Some folks may need to clear their browser caches to force their browser to download the new site. You'll know that you've reached the new site when you click here on

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Teridentity Triadic Sign Relation

2014-09-18 Thread Sungchul Ji
Jon wrote (091814-1) through (091814-3): “First off, you appear to be confusing a category with (091814-1) a single composition triple of functions (f, g, h) such that h = f o g, and that is a serious confusion.” I know there are more complex compositions than involving three mappings, f,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-18 Thread Howard Pattee
At 10:39 AM 9/18/2014, Benjamin wrote: Only humans (at least here on Earth) do sociology, psychology, biology, chemistry, or physics. I have no evidence that elementary nature does even simple physics, or even wears a lab coat. HP: I agree. These are all fields in which humans make models of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6842] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-18 Thread Jon Awbrey
Howard, Ben, All, Peirce, unlike Hertz, did not stop at a correspondence theory of truth. And that has made all the difference. But of course we discussed all this ten or twelve years ago … Regards, Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:42 PM, Howard Pattee