Helmut,

 

My own reference to time scale was in connection with the controversy in 
evolutionary biology between “gradualists” and “saltationists” (believers in 
“punctuated equilibrium”), and my point was that on the evolutionary time 
scale, a “sudden event” can take a hundred thousand years to occur. But 
emergence in evolution, as I understand it, has nothing to do with suddenness. 
It refers to the fact that the interactive processes of a complex system can do 
things that would not have been possible for any or all of its component 
systems, acting independently, to do. Emergence, like evolution itself, is a 
fact, not an event or series of events, although it is known by inference from 
a series of separate observations. It takes time, just as semiosis or “thought” 
does, but doesn’t occur at any particular rate. So I think I’m agreeing with 
you here.

 

Gary f.

 

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Subject: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Mind evolving

 

Dear Gary F., list,

you wrote:

 

" If by “things” you mean inanimate physical material entities, Peirce would 
say that those “things” generally do NOT take habits, because they are already 
“habit-bound.” But Peirce doesn’t use the word “thing” that way, at least not 
in cosmology."

 

Thank you! This way I think I see it. Now I do not feel in opposition towards 
Peirces habit concept anymore. 

I think, there might be a lot to discuss still about emergence and time (and 
space) scales. Might it be so (as I have written in my respond to Ben too), 
that there are emergences, which are so strong, that they become 
scale-invariable, meaning, they are observable as being something special in 
any scale? Like the distinction between inanimate and animate? Usually a large 
space scale is connected with a large time scale. An elephants reactions are 
slower than an insects. The universe is the biggest system one can imagine, so, 
if there is a quasi-mind of the universe, this mind would be supposed to be a 
very slow thinker. But faithful people claim that they can communicate with God 
. Also there are nonlocal effects, like quantum entanglement, so very fast 
communication within the universe may be possible- not for us, as physicists 
say- but maybe for the universe? So might it be, that the universal mind is 
(time-) scale-invariable somehow? (Scale-invariability has to do with fractals 
and chaos theory. Ive read about it in Mandelbrots book with the appleman 
pictures and other fractals).

Best,

Helmut

  

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