Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben: > On Dec 11, 2016, at 6:44 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: > > Jerry, you said that you knew of no mathematical or physical or chemical > reasons for the unmeasurability of lengths smaller than the Planck length; > you asked whether the maths of electric field theory are

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread John F Sowa
On 12/11/2016 7:44 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: if electrical field theory contradicts quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle, then it is valid (at most) only in a classical limit. Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) is the well developed theory that unifies quantum mechanics and

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread Benjamin Udell
Jerry, you said that you knew of no mathematical or physical or chemical reasons for the unmeasurability of lengths smaller than the Planck length; you asked whether the maths of electric field theory are constrained by the physical principles (i.e., quantum mechanics and the uncertainty

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben: The foundation of electrical field theory preceded W. Heisenberg by several decades. Cheers Jerry > On Dec 11, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: > > Jerry, list, > > It has to do with the uncertainty principle. Here's an excerpt from a > discussion "Planck

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread Benjamin Udell
Sorry, I forgot to include the link: http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive/archive_2013/today13-11-01_NutshellReadMore.html Jerry, list, It has to do with the uncertainty principle. Here's an excerpt from a discussion "Planck length, minimal length?" by Don Lincoln, Friday, Nov. 1, 2013,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread kirstima
Hi all, The string theoty is a legitimate theory, even if (and when)it does not hold. It has paved the way forwards. - Kirsti - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
Ben, List: > On Dec 11, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: > > According to Wikipedia, the Planck length is, in principle, within a factor > of 10, the shortest measurable length – and no theoretically known > improvement in measurement instruments could change that.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread Benjamin Udell
Sorry, I don't know why my link to the 2014 abstract of "Test of Lorentz invariance with atmospheric neutrinos" got messed up. Here it is again: https://arxiv.org/abs/1410.4267 Also corrected below. Best, Ben On 12/11/2016 2:48 PM, Benjamin Udell wrote: Gary R., Helmut, list, I think that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce and Science (was Democracy)

2016-12-11 Thread Benjamin Udell
Gary R., Helmut, list, I think that that's pessimistic and that Peirce would agree. The problem for string theory and any other theory of quantum gravity is that, for people to test its distinctive predictions with a collider, the collider would need to be as big as the observed universe; so