RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread gnox
John, your post arrived just as I was about to post this one, and I’ll have to study it for awhile before I can reply. (Same with Gary’s post quoting Walt Whitman.) Here I’m just following up on my post to the list this morning. In a footnote to his 1911 essay A Sketch of Logical Critics,

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread John F. Sowa
Gary F, I have a great deal of sympathy for your Turning Signs.  And I believe that issues of normative science deserve a great deal of attention especially now. For any points that I may criticize or quibble, I emphasize that my comments are about details, rather than the main issues you

[PEIRCE-L] Re: The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread Gary Richmond
List, "Occasionally in his lectures on pragmatism, James suggests that Whitman is a pragmatist forerunner; and in fact he frequently draws upon Whitman to make arguments for the pluralistic worldview that for James went hand in hand with the philosophy of pragmatism." See:

[PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - if we continue this - I suggest offlist, as despite my trying to show how the Peircean framework can be applied to analyze societies - this focus doesn't seem to interest you. 1] My analysis of left vs right is simple. Left/Collectivism --->>

Aw: Re: Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina,   I think, we mostly disagree about the use and meanings of terms, not so much about politics, as we both like Popper, for example. At least I think, that we both are for the rights of the individuals, and against collectivism. I also am not completely against capitalism. Without the

Re: Aw: Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Helmut - 1] I said that fascism was 'leftist', because the left political ideology privileges the collective over and against the individual. Fascism and communism are the two major politico-economic modes that do that. The fact that fascism privileges the organic State, while

Aw: Re: RE: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread Helmut Raulien
Edwina, List,   I don´t think that rightism is the same as individualism. I is collective ideology too, though more particularistic than leftism. It claims a supremacy of a particular collective such as "race" or nation. Though leftism sometimes also is particularist, classist. Leftism, if it is

Re: RE: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Terry - please see my comments below: 1] I don't think my understanding of fascism is a 'small minority conception'. I won't take a Wikipedia definition as legitimate and refer you to such works as Robert Paxton, The Anatomy of Fascism; Roger Eatwell: Fascism: A History. Of

Re: RE: RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Terry - Based on your outline - I'm not sure that you and I are in agreement on all points. I'm not sure what 'fascist capitalism' means. Fascism is a 'leftist' ideology, promoting the collective vs the individual. Capitalism is an economic ideology, based around the

RE: [PEIRCE-L] The Pragmatic Trivium

2020-07-04 Thread gnox
List, Perhaps I can try to bring this thread back to its stated subject by spelling out some implications of my concluding sentence at http://www.gnusystems.ca/TS/snc.htm#x14