John, your post arrived just as I was about to post this one, and I’ll have to
study it for awhile before I can reply. (Same with Gary’s post quoting Walt
Whitman.) Here I’m just following up on my post to the list this morning.
In a footnote to his 1911 essay A Sketch of Logical Critics,
Gary F,
I have a great deal of sympathy for your Turning Signs. And I
believe that issues of normative science deserve a great
deal of attention especially now.
For any points that I may criticize or quibble, I emphasize that my comments
are about
details, rather than the main issues you
List,
"Occasionally in his lectures on pragmatism, James suggests that Whitman is
a pragmatist forerunner; and in fact he frequently draws upon Whitman to
make arguments for the pluralistic worldview that for James went hand in
hand with the philosophy of pragmatism." See:
Helmut - if we continue this - I suggest offlist, as despite my
trying to show how the Peircean framework can be applied to analyze
societies - this focus doesn't seem to interest you.
1] My analysis of left vs right is simple. Left/Collectivism
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Edwina,
I think, we mostly disagree about the use and meanings of terms, not so much about politics, as we both like Popper, for example. At least I think, that we both are for the rights of the individuals, and against collectivism. I also am not completely against capitalism. Without the
Helmut -
1] I said that fascism was 'leftist', because the left political
ideology privileges the collective over and against the individual.
Fascism and communism are the two major politico-economic modes that
do that. The fact that fascism privileges the organic State, while
Edwina, List,
I don´t think that rightism is the same as individualism. I is collective ideology too, though more particularistic than leftism. It claims a supremacy of a particular collective such as "race" or nation. Though leftism sometimes also is particularist, classist. Leftism, if it is
Terry - please see my comments below:
1] I don't think my understanding of fascism is a 'small minority
conception'. I won't take a Wikipedia definition as legitimate and
refer you to such works as Robert Paxton, The Anatomy of Fascism;
Roger Eatwell: Fascism: A History. Of
Terry -
Based on your outline - I'm not sure that you and I are in agreement
on all points.
I'm not sure what 'fascist capitalism' means. Fascism is a 'leftist'
ideology, promoting the collective vs the individual. Capitalism is an
economic ideology, based around the
List,
Perhaps I can try to bring this thread back to its stated subject by spelling
out some implications of my concluding sentence at
http://www.gnusystems.ca/TS/snc.htm#x14
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