Thank you, Jon! So Peirce means the sent, not the received feeling? The feeling as its source´s quality? In my concept, meaning is triadic (something means something to something/one). If meaning in its first mode of being is feeling, my concept of feeling is triadic too: Something gives a
Jack, List:
When Peirce associates *feeling *with 1ns, he is not referring to that
which is *felt *by a subject, which is clearly an example of 2ns. He is
instead referring to a qualitative possibility, independent of any
individual instantiation. It is indeed a *prescissive *abstraction of the
i.e., if we take "tone" in its literal sense as "sound" then we can say that a
key played upon an instrument is what it is regardless of all subjectivity but
that this does not exclude subjectivity - the evidence being subjectivity
itself. That is, if five people hear the "same" tone, it may
Helmut,
Yes I agree. Although he does give himself typically clever wiggle-room insofar
as he mentions potentiality which would seem to both include and exclude the
subject depending on one's level of analysis.
best
jack
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Gary F., yes, my mistake. So, myths are symbols, which don´t lack indexicality, and can be false.
Jack Robert Kelly: I agree. Maybe Peirce´s way to talk of signs without the subject (interpreter) is consistent, but if one wants to combine his theories with systems theories, the subject has to
just for clarity, the point I'm making is probably an old one but: Peirce
conceives of the subject-less feeling as object. That, I think, is an
impossibility.
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Helmut, myths, narratives, arguments and propositions are all symbols. Symbols
can have any level of complexity. Peirce suggests in at least one place that
the entire intelligible universe can be regarded as a symbol.
gary f.
Coming from the ancestral lands of the Anishinaabeg
From:
A feeling is what it is, positively, regardless of anything else. Its being is
in it alone, and it is a mere potentiality. A brute force, as, for example, an
existent particle, on the other hand, is nothing for itself; whatever it is, it
is for what it is attracting and what it is repelling:
Gary F., List,
But aren´t myths narratives, and more than symbols, containing arguments and propositions? Propositions (alone or as parts of arguments) may be false, mightn´t they?
Best Regards
Helmut
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John, Gary F., List,
first, here again the part of Gary´s Peirce quote, in which Peirce tells the three modes of being:
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So, then, there are these three modes of being: first, the being of a feeling, in itself, unattached to any subject, which is merely an atmospheric possibility, a
Helmut, myths are symbols. Icons and indices, neither of which is rational in
itself, are “signs of which we have need now and then in our converse with one
another to eke out the defects of words, or symbols.” Symbols lacking
indexicality can’t be either true or false, because their objects,
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