re: [PEIRCE-L] reality, thought and language / names for mixedzones

2022-08-06 Thread John F Sowa
Tom, Jerry, and Helmut, The fact that I put Semeiotic at the center means that I assume a Peircean foundation. I don't believe that it's possible to show the full implications of that Venn diagram and its interrelationships without a framework such as Peirce's or something very similar. Tom

Re: [PEIRCE-L] reality, thought and language / names for mixed zones

2022-08-06 Thread jean-yves beziau
Saussure when introducing the distinction between signified (signifié) and signifier (signifiant). gives as an example of signified "the concept of tree". So we can say that Saussure is working on the pair language/thought (which he calls "sign", not the usual meaning of the word) Quine with "Wo

Aw: [PEIRCE-L] reality, thought and language / names for mixed zones

2022-08-06 Thread Helmut Raulien
Tom, John, List, isn´t language a subset of thought, meaning, nothing can be said that hasn´t been a thought first? Or, when it is nonsentical, like in "Finnegan´s Wake" by James Joyce, maybe it hasn´t been a thought before, but at the same time, it was written or spoken? Harder to tell is, w

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: Final CFP: Charles S. Peirce Essay Prize

2022-08-06 Thread Gary Richmond
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Re: [PEIRCE-L] reality, thought and language / names for mixed zones

2022-08-06 Thread Thomas Gollier
John, I've been waiting for someone to take up Jean-Yves' challenge. I can go along with your categorizations, but only if "reality" refers to the reality of Secondness, or more specifically to the dynamic object. Otherwise — if for instance "reality" refers, or also refers, to the reality of Thi

re: [PEIRCE-L] reality, thought and language / names for mixed zones

2022-08-06 Thread John F Sowa
My suggested labels for the intersections: Reality and thought: Perception and action. Reality and language: Semantics Thought and language: Imagination All three: Semeiotic John From: "jean-yves beziau" beziau...@gmail.com