Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List- I don’t see synergism as equivalent to Thirdness, for Thirdness is the establishment of habits, ie, habitual ‘modes of being’ - which habits are established by and within the universe in conjunction with the modes of both Firstness and Secondness. . Instead, synergism, or continuity,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Mike: I do not know what you mean by "penultimate" in this context. As I have said on the List many times before, as well as in my published work, my understanding of synechism as applied in metaphysics is that the entire universe is an inexhaustible continuum (3ns) of indefinite possibilities

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List, Edwinia, Mike First, thanks to JAS for his well crafted initial post and an a direct inquiry to him if those are the only relevant citations to the intermingling of grammatical semantics with CSP’s notion of a copulant. I strongly suspect a deeper meaning is to be found in other

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Mike list I agree with your comments. Synechism is the functionality of Thirdness [the becoming governed by laws} 5.4] - and isn’t the penultimate, because, just as you say - the world requires the discrete and discontinuousness of ontological Secondness [entropy] and also- the chance

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Jon, To quibble, I see synechism and its great definer of continuity as the guiding principle of Thirdness (as I think Peirce did, too). It can't be elevated to the penultimate, because our operative world also requires the discrete and discontinuous. (Enter 2nd law of thermodynamics stage

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Mike: I am glad that we agree on that point. I also agree that it is a mistake to treat semiosis as the most fundamental aspect of Peirce's philosophy, and that his three universal categories--firmly grounded in both the hypothetical science of mathematics and the primal positive science of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread John F Sowa
Edwina, Gary, Jon, List, As Peirce frequently pointed out, he had a solid understanding of all the methods of reasoning from the ancient Greeks to the medieval Scholastics to the methods from the Renaissance to the early 20th C. In general, the "proper way" depends very much on the theorem

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Mike Bergman
Hi Jon, Here is a point with which I have vehement agreement with you (dare I say I suspect Edwina does as well): What I /can /say is that I obviously disagree with anyone who confines semiosis to the biological realm, since I maintain with Peirce that the entire universe is "a vast

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
List I am unaware of anyone who "confines semiosis to the biological realm”!! Never heard of such a thing! But, of course, there are many who confine semiosis to the human mind realm - and many who reject the operation of semiosis within the physicochemical realms. As I’ve said - my point is

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Jon Alan Schmidt
Gary, List: It has been several years since I read *Natural Propositions*, so I will not be able to comment on it specifically, although Stjernfelt's more recent book includes examples like fireflies glowing and bees dancing. What I *can *say is that I obviously disagree with anyone who confines

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary, list Thanks - that book however, is from ten years ago. My point is that current research in information dynamics in the ’natural realms’ - which, very often, doesn’t use Peircean terms but is obviously working within the same analytic framework of morphological formation, information

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Gary Richmond
Edwina, List, ET: I’m a bit surprised by your request - since surely you are aware of the focus in science of Peircean principles in the biological, physic-chemical and artificial worlds. Yes, I'm well aware of that focus and have read extensively in the literature. Thank you, though, for

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The Proper Way in Logic (was Peirce's Ongoing Semiotic Project)

2024-02-11 Thread Edwina Taborsky
Gary R,list I’m a bit surprised by your request - since surely you are aware of the focus in science of Peircean principles in the biological, physic-chemical and artificial worlds. A few quick examples: Homeostasis and Information Processing: Eduardo Mizraji. Biosystems 2024 February