Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

2024-02-09 Thread John F Sowa
Edwina, List, I am not denying the fact that interpretants, as defined by Peirce, exist, and I am not denying that Peirce's 3-way distinction is good. But you said that you had not studied the kinds of details that the linguists observe and specify. My claim is that any theory that does not

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

2024-02-09 Thread Edwina Taborsky
John, list I continue to either misunderstand or object - I don’t know which term I should use - to your rejection of the role of the Interpretants. I simply don’t see how the semiosic process can function - and it IS a function - without the necessary role of the Interpretants. How can you

[PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

2024-02-09 Thread John F Sowa
Edwina, List, As a logician and mathematician, Peirce understood the methods of precise reasoning in lengthy deductions. But as a linguist and engineer, he also understood the issues of continuity or synechism. In ordinary language, every word has a broad range of meanings. The senses

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

2024-02-08 Thread Edwina Taborsky
John I don't see what linguistic understanding of words has to do with the interpretants. The utterer’s Object [his words] can only carry his reality [phaneron] within the words he knows. - and as Peirce said - [can’t recall the reference] if the Object is unknown, then, the words used to

[PEIRCE-L] Interpretants, as analyzed and discussed by T. L. Short

2024-02-08 Thread John F Sowa
Edwina, I was just copying what Short said. If you don't have it, I'll send you the PDF of his entire book. All Peirce scholars agree that Peirce had settled on three kinds of interpretants. I don't deny that. But there is no information about how anybody can determine how the utterer can