Kingsley and Alex,

There is a very good reason why Bing provides more information than you can 
find with other search engines:  All those answers happen to be false.   Check 
them with Wikipedia.  I'm glad that you mentioned (below) the need to check 
such answers, but I'm afraid that many people won't do that.

What Bing did was to combine my note about a Russian composer who was well 
known in 19th c Russia, but not well known to the rest of the world.

I read about his symptoms in an article about neuroscience and the effect of 
strokes on different parts of the brain.  That musician was more famous in 
neuroscience than in musical history.  One other point:   Shostakovich was the 
famous Russian composer who said that the musician (whose name I forgot) 
composed his best symphony atter he had the stroke that left him unable to 
speak.  After he finished that symphony, his next stroke finished him.  That's 
all I remember.

Kingsley and Alex, I wonder what you would get if you told GPT that it was not 
any of those composers and add the other details:  he was earlier than the 
others, and add the comment by Shostakovich..  Although I can't remember the 
name, I think that I would recognize it if you found the name.

In any case, GPT reminds me of a Peanuts cartoon, in which Lucy is teaching 
Linus "little known facts of science".  Charlie Brown asks "If they're so 
little known, how come you know them?"

Lucy answered "I make them up."

That's what GPT does.

I think I'll stick with Wikipedia.

John

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From: "Kingsley Idehen' via ontolog-forum" <ontolog-fo...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: 5/19/23 4:18 PM
To: ontolog-fo...@googlegroups.com
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On 5/18/23 4:03 AM, Alex Shkotin wrote

ср, 17 мая 2023 г. в 21:23, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net>:
Alex and Doug,

As another example, there was a 19th c. Russian musician (I forgot his name) 
who had a stroke that left him unable to speak.  But he was still able to teach 
students by using gestures and playing examples on his violin.  He also 
continued to compose music, and his last symphony (composed after his stroke) 
was considered his best work.

I asked Bing + GPT for unveil the name of the Russian musician and here’s a 
link to its reply:
https://sl.bing.net/kBpg5aZHYGq
Note, that link is only useful when clicked on from Microsoft Edge.
Here’s a session transcript.
The musician you are referring to is Sergei Rachmaninoff. He was a Russian 
composer, pianist, and conductor who lived from 1873 to 1943. Rachmaninoff 
suffered a nervous breakdown in 1899 and was unable to compose for three years. 
He also suffered from depression and had a lifelong fear of public performance. 
In 1942, he suffered from a stroke that left him unable to speak. However, he 
continued to teach students by using gestures and playing examples on his 
violin. He also continued to compose music, and his last symphony (Symphony No. 
3) was considered his best work ¹².
I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 5/19/2023
(1) Sergey Rachmaninoff | Russian musician | Britannica. 
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sergey-Rachmaninoff.
(2) Sergei Rachmaninoff - Wikipedia. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Rachmaninoff.
(3) Frederic Chopin | Biography, Music, Death, Famous Works, & Facts. 
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Frederic-Chopin.
When I altered its setting for increased precision it returned:
I’m sorry, but I couldn’t find any information about a 19th century Russian 
musician who had a stroke that left him unable to speak but was still able to 
teach students by using gestures and playing examples on his violin. Could you 
provide more information or context about this person?
Google Bard’s response 1:
You are referring to the Russian composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. He had a 
stroke in 1893 that left him unable to speak. However, he was still able to 
teach students by using gestures and playing examples on his violin. He also 
continued to compose music, and his last symphony, the Sixth Symphony in B 
minor, Pathétique, was considered his best work. The symphony was premiered in 
St. Petersburg on November 28, 1893, just two weeks after Tchaikovsky’s death. 
It was a critical and commercial success, and it is now one of the most popular 
symphonies in the world.
Tchaikovsky was born in Votkinsk, Russia, in 1840. He studied music at the St. 
Petersburg Conservatory, where he was a student of Nikolai Rubinstein. After 
graduating from the conservatory, Tchaikovsky worked as a conductor and 
composer. He wrote a wide variety of music, including operas, ballets, 
symphonies, concertos, and chamber music. He is considered one of the greatest 
composers of the Romantic era.
ChatGPT4 with Web Browsing plugin enabled:
The person you’re referring to is Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, one of the most 
important composers of the 19th century. However, I must correct some details. 
Tchaikovsky did not have a stroke that left him unable to speak but continued 
to compose music, including his last and arguably most famous symphony, 
Symphony No. 6 in B minor, Op. 74, also known as the “Pathétique.” This was his 
final completed symphony, and he led the premiere nine days before his death in 
1893. The cause of Tchaikovsky’s death is still a subject of debate. Some 
theories suggest that he died from cholera, possibly deliberately ingested, 
while others propose he died by suicide or even at the hands of others.
Based on the description you gave, I’m not aware of a 19th-century Russian 
musician who perfectly fits that narrative. However, it’s possible you may be 
conflating details from several individuals or eras. If you have more 
information or if there’s a specific source you’re drawing from, I’d be happy 
to help further investigate.
Tabulated Comparison, courtesy of ChatGPT.

Assistant       Identified Composer     Stroke/Health Issue     Notable Works   
Incorrect/Misleading Information
Google Bard     Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky        Had a stroke in 1893 leaving 
him unable to speak        Symphony No. 6 in B minor, Pathétique   Mentioned 
that Tchaikovsky taught students by using gestures and playing examples on his 
violin post-stroke, which is incorrect
ChatGPT4 with Web Browsing plugin       Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky        No 
mention of stroke. Death by cholera, suicide, or at hands of others suggested   
     Symphony No. 6 in B minor, Op. 74, Pathétique   None
Bing + ChatGPT  Sergei Rachmaninoff     Suffered from a nervous breakdown, 
depression, and a stroke in 1942 leaving him unable to speak Symphony No. 3  
Incorrectly mentioned that Rachmaninoff taught students by using gestures and 
playing examples on his violin post-stroke

Please note that all of the descriptions regarding the musicians’ ability to 
teach using gestures and playing examples on their violin after having a stroke 
may be incorrect or misleading as no historical evidence seems to back up this 
claim. The descriptions provided by each assistant should be verified for 
accuracy with reliable sources.

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